IRC Log for #microformats on 2010-02-24
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- [10:50:29] <Guest501>
hello
- [10:51:02] <Guest501>
can anyone tell me if it's good or not when to hide an hreview-aggregate div ?
- [10:52:43] <csarven>
For whom?
- [10:53:39] <csarven>
Generally you are marking data that's visible to humans
- [10:55:07] <Guest501>
for Google ..
- [10:55:27] <Guest501>
i have already those informations displayed for humans
- [10:55:43] <csarven>
Do you have duplicate content on the page?
- [10:55:48] <Guest501>
with another xhtml structure/css design
- [10:56:07] <Guest501>
hmm
- [10:56:12] <Guest501>
yes.. like summary
- [10:56:49] <csarven>
If you can use a single instance of that data and mark it, that'd be best. You wouldn't have to hide anything
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hmm ok i see , thanks
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- [20:35:54] <mwunsch>
tantek: don't mean to be a bore, but did you see my email/pm?
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- [21:17:52] <mwunsch>
Alright, first dot release: http://github.com/mwunsch/hmachine
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- [21:34:10] <csarven>
mwunsch I'd like to test but I don't have Ruby on my machine. Test parse http://identi.ca/csarven
- [21:35:34] <mwunsch>
According to hMachine: Found 100 hCards in the document. Found 19 geos. Found 83 XFNs. 1 rel license. 12 rel-tags
- [21:35:48] <csarven>
Try to suppose hAtom :) That'd be great.
- [21:35:53] <mwunsch>
Yeah
- [21:35:57] <csarven>
s/suppose/support
- [21:36:02] <mwunsch>
hCalendar and hAtom are the next ones on my list
- [21:36:07] <csarven>
Cool
- [21:36:19] <mwunsch>
remember it's just v0.1.0
- [21:36:20] <csarven>
OH wait.. you've found 19 geos really?
- [21:36:21] <mwunsch>
much more to come
- [21:36:31] <mwunsch>
yes, remember that geos are embedded into hcard
- [21:36:36] <csarven>
That means you are picking up <a class="geo" title="lat;lon"
- [21:36:42] <mwunsch>
yes
- [21:36:46] <mwunsch>
splitting on the semicolon
- [21:37:13] <csarven>
Which is currently not acknowledged to be a valid geo representation
- [21:37:41] <csarven>
Only <abbr class="geo" title="lat;lon"
- [21:39:27] <mwunsch>
ahh, i'll have to make some adjustments
- [21:39:36] <mwunsch>
is that reflected on the wiki?
- [21:40:03] <csarven>
I've proposed http://microformats.org/wiki/geo-brainstorming#latitude_longitude_shorthand_and_geo_link
- [21:40:15] <csarven>
tantek is not cool with it. I'm not sure about others.
- [21:40:23] <mwunsch>
Ahh actually
- [21:40:25] <mwunsch>
Now that i look at it
- [21:40:28] <mwunsch>
it's parsing incorrectly
- [21:40:42] <csarven>
It makes sense to me but...
- [21:40:43] <mwunsch>
it's actually taking the content of the node
- [21:41:00] <mwunsch>
i need to verify that the string is a valid coordinate
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- [21:42:40] <csarven>
Unfortunately, for the next StatusNet 0.9 release I'm changing it to <a><abbr class="geo" title="lat;lon"></abbr></a>
- [21:43:39] <mwunsch>
I'm scribbling down notes -- lots of edge cases
- [21:44:03] <mwunsch>
running into some issues with iso8601 dates as well
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- [22:15:05] <tantek>
csarven - if you want to use the title attribute to hide content, that is one of the options of value-title in the value class pattern: http://microformats.org/wiki/value-class-pattern
- [22:15:42] <tantek>
but yes, generic use of the title attribute in any element for microformats is not something that has ever been accepted, and has been advised against many times over the years
- [22:16:29] <mwunsch>
What hMachine was doing in this instance, was extracting out of the geo text node. So it was actually pulling the wrong value, csarven. I need to set up a check to validate against a geo regex
- [22:18:41] <csarven>
tantek I really do acknowledge that. I was just suggesting a shorthand. I didn't think it was a stretch to go from a geo link AND a shorthand for lat;lon to what could be a geo representation in an anchor.
- [22:20:02] <tantek>
heck if you really want to hack something with an anchor - you could use the all but forgotten coords attribute
- [22:20:51] <csarven>
However, if we are dropping any use of @title for good now, I guess it doesn't make sense to allow this.
- [22:21:03] <mwunsch>
the value-title is perfectly reasonable
- [22:21:06] <mwunsch>
hMachine supports it :-)
- [22:21:15] <tantek>
csarven, nothing is being dropped - this was never a valid technique
- [22:21:27] <mwunsch>
a class="geo value-title" title="lat;lon"
- [22:21:44] <tantek>
the only use of title that was valid with microformats was with abbr - because on that element title has a specific semantic that makes sense for microformats
- [22:22:11] <tantek>
a bunch of folks wanted to use <span title=""> - and that's why we developed the "value-title" feature of the value class pattern
- [22:22:26] <tantek>
http://microformats.org/wiki/value-class-pattern#Parsing_value_from_a_title_attribute
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- [22:26:40] <csarven>
So, <span class="geo"><span class="value-title" title="lat;lon"></span>Montreal</span> ?
- [22:32:17] <tantek>
csarven - yes you can do that with the value class pattern
- [22:36:21] <csarven>
Thanks tantek
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- [23:16:00] <mwunsch>
OKAY!
- [23:16:14] <mwunsch>
hMachine is now officially called Prism: http://github.com/mwunsch/prism
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