IRC Log for #microformats on 2010-02-24

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  42. [10:50:29] <Guest501> hello
  43. [10:51:02] <Guest501> can anyone tell me if it's good or not when to hide an hreview-aggregate div ?
  44. [10:52:43] <csarven> For whom?
  45. [10:53:39] <csarven> Generally you are marking data that's visible to humans
  46. [10:55:07] <Guest501> for Google ..
  47. [10:55:27] <Guest501> i have already those informations displayed for humans
  48. [10:55:43] <csarven> Do you have duplicate content on the page?
  49. [10:55:48] <Guest501> with another xhtml structure/css design
  50. [10:56:07] <Guest501> hmm
  51. [10:56:12] <Guest501> yes.. like summary
  52. [10:56:49] <csarven> If you can use a single instance of that data and mark it, that'd be best. You wouldn't have to hide anything
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  54. [10:58:19] <Guest501> hmm ok i see , thanks
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  107. [20:35:54] <mwunsch> tantek: don't mean to be a bore, but did you see my email/pm?
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  111. [21:17:52] <mwunsch> Alright, first dot release: http://github.com/mwunsch/hmachine
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  115. [21:34:10] <csarven> mwunsch I'd like to test but I don't have Ruby on my machine. Test parse http://identi.ca/csarven
  116. [21:35:34] <mwunsch> According to hMachine: Found 100 hCards in the document. Found 19 geos. Found 83 XFNs. 1 rel license. 12 rel-tags
  117. [21:35:48] <csarven> Try to suppose hAtom :) That'd be great.
  118. [21:35:53] <mwunsch> Yeah
  119. [21:35:57] <csarven> s/suppose/support
  120. [21:36:02] <mwunsch> hCalendar and hAtom are the next ones on my list
  121. [21:36:07] <csarven> Cool
  122. [21:36:19] <mwunsch> remember it's just v0.1.0
  123. [21:36:20] <csarven> OH wait.. you've found 19 geos really?
  124. [21:36:21] <mwunsch> much more to come
  125. [21:36:31] <mwunsch> yes, remember that geos are embedded into hcard
  126. [21:36:36] <csarven> That means you are picking up <a class="geo" title="lat;lon"
  127. [21:36:42] <mwunsch> yes
  128. [21:36:46] <mwunsch> splitting on the semicolon
  129. [21:37:13] <csarven> Which is currently not acknowledged to be a valid geo representation
  130. [21:37:41] <csarven> Only <abbr class="geo" title="lat;lon"
  131. [21:39:27] <mwunsch> ahh, i'll have to make some adjustments
  132. [21:39:36] <mwunsch> is that reflected on the wiki?
  133. [21:40:03] <csarven> I've proposed http://microformats.org/wiki/geo-brainstorming#latitude_longitude_shorthand_and_geo_link
  134. [21:40:15] <csarven> tantek is not cool with it. I'm not sure about others.
  135. [21:40:23] <mwunsch> Ahh actually
  136. [21:40:25] <mwunsch> Now that i look at it
  137. [21:40:28] <mwunsch> it's parsing incorrectly
  138. [21:40:42] <csarven> It makes sense to me but...
  139. [21:40:43] <mwunsch> it's actually taking the content of the node
  140. [21:41:00] <mwunsch> i need to verify that the string is a valid coordinate
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  142. [21:42:40] <csarven> Unfortunately, for the next StatusNet 0.9 release I'm changing it to <a><abbr class="geo" title="lat;lon"></abbr></a>
  143. [21:43:39] <mwunsch> I'm scribbling down notes -- lots of edge cases
  144. [21:44:03] <mwunsch> running into some issues with iso8601 dates as well
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  148. [22:15:05] <tantek> csarven - if you want to use the title attribute to hide content, that is one of the options of value-title in the value class pattern: http://microformats.org/wiki/value-class-pattern
  149. [22:15:42] <tantek> but yes, generic use of the title attribute in any element for microformats is not something that has ever been accepted, and has been advised against many times over the years
  150. [22:16:29] <mwunsch> What hMachine was doing in this instance, was extracting out of the geo text node. So it was actually pulling the wrong value, csarven. I need to set up a check to validate against a geo regex
  151. [22:18:41] <csarven> tantek I really do acknowledge that. I was just suggesting a shorthand. I didn't think it was a stretch to go from a geo link AND a shorthand for lat;lon to what could be a geo representation in an anchor.
  152. [22:20:02] <tantek> heck if you really want to hack something with an anchor - you could use the all but forgotten coords attribute
  153. [22:20:51] <csarven> However, if we are dropping any use of @title for good now, I guess it doesn't make sense to allow this.
  154. [22:21:03] <mwunsch> the value-title is perfectly reasonable
  155. [22:21:06] <mwunsch> hMachine supports it :-)
  156. [22:21:15] <tantek> csarven, nothing is being dropped - this was never a valid technique
  157. [22:21:27] <mwunsch> a class="geo value-title" title="lat;lon"
  158. [22:21:44] <tantek> the only use of title that was valid with microformats was with abbr - because on that element title has a specific semantic that makes sense for microformats
  159. [22:22:11] <tantek> a bunch of folks wanted to use <span title=""> - and that's why we developed the "value-title" feature of the value class pattern
  160. [22:22:26] <tantek> http://microformats.org/wiki/value-class-pattern#Parsing_value_from_a_title_attribute
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  162. [22:26:40] <csarven> So, <span class="geo"><span class="value-title" title="lat;lon"></span>Montreal</span> ?
  163. [22:32:17] <tantek> csarven - yes you can do that with the value class pattern
  164. [22:36:21] <csarven> Thanks tantek
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  166. [23:16:00] <mwunsch> OKAY!
  167. [23:16:14] <mwunsch> hMachine is now officially called Prism: http://github.com/mwunsch/prism
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