IRC Log for #microformats on 2010-03-29

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  63. [15:38:13] <mwunsch> When parsing datetimes, if no timezone is given, do we assume UTC?
  64. [15:38:54] <mwunsch> From the wiki: "The lack of a timezone indicates a "floating" datetime, that is a datetime independent of any particular timezone. Examples of floating datetimes could be an alarm clock you set to ring at 7am, or the common 9am-5pm workday."
  65. [15:40:38] <singpolyma> floating usually means "local time" in some contexit
  66. [15:41:44] <mwunsch> singpolyma: The default behavior right now is to assume the local time zone of the parser
  67. [15:41:44] <mwunsch> but this of course, can be different then the local time zone of the publisher
  68. [15:41:44] <singpolyma> Right. That is probably what most parsers do
  69. [15:41:44] <mwunsch> Ok, i'll continue with that behavoir
  70. [15:41:49] <singpolyma> Really, having no timezone is usually not what the publisher should do
  71. [15:42:07] <mwunsch> Precisely what I thought.
  72. [15:42:30] <mwunsch> i'll continue with passing the valueclass tests and if i come across an error, i'll know what the expected behavior should be
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  74. [15:57:52] <mwunsch> Oh man, I have a big issue with this test: http://microformats.org/wiki/value-dt-test-YYYY-MM-DD--Hpm-EEpm
  75. [15:58:09] <mwunsch> It's stepping over it's boundaries, it tests for hCalendar implementation, and not just for ValueClass implementation...
  76. [15:59:08] <singpolyma> It seems to be to test ValueClass as used with hCal
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  88. [17:54:15] <Thell> Hello all... is there a channel stats/logs page somewhere?
  89. [17:54:54] <Thell> nm, found the wiki page :)
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  94. [18:21:14] <mwunsch> singpolyma: Yes but that's not a pure test of ValueClass
  95. [18:21:27] <mwunsch> testing ValueClass should not test hCalendar
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  97. [18:28:16] <singpolyma> mwunsch: but you may want to test both :)
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  99. [18:28:54] <mwunsch> singpolyma: Well yes but the tests should not be coupled. ValueClass tests should not test for hCalendar implementation, as other microformats besides hCalendar utilize ValueClass.
  100. [18:29:28] <singpolyma> You can't really test just valueclass by itself. You need some attribute to be using it inside
  101. [18:29:43] <mwunsch> The argument I'm making is about the specific hCalendar implementation
  102. [18:29:52] <mwunsch> Testing for impled dtend date should be a part of hCalendar tests
  103. [18:30:03] <mwunsch> That is not a part of the ValueClass pattern
  104. [18:30:17] <mwunsch> but the ValueClass pattern tests involve that hCalendar feature
  105. [18:40:49] <singpolyma> Oh
  106. [18:40:50] <singpolyma> I see
  107. [18:41:11] <singpolyma> Right
  108. [18:41:19] <singpolyma> I hadn't even noticed it was doing that
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  110. [19:13:41] <mwunsch> Majority of the valueclass tests do that, so you can't really test them until you have an hCalendar implementation
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