IRC Log for #microformats on 2010-04-28
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- [04:38:32] <tantek>
http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/5749791/CA/San-Francisco/microformats-web-2-expo-meetup-drinkup/21st-Amendment/
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- [10:55:53] * tobyink is getting pretty close to a decent Microformats-in-Atom parser...
- [10:56:08] <tantek>
ooh awesome
- [10:56:39] <tobyink>
http://goddamn.co.uk/viewvc/perlmods/XML-Atom-Microformats/
- [10:57:17] <tobyink>
I've added my suggested syntax for linking to uf profiles to the wiki.
- [10:57:58] <tobyink>
in short <entry><link rel="profile"></entry> for per-entry profiles; and <feed><link rel="profile"></feed> for an all-entries profile.
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- [13:52:16] <tantek>
tobyink - that's good proposal for the use of rel-profile with Atom
- [13:52:35] <tantek>
I've written a brief description of your suggested syntax on the rel-profile page: http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-profile#Atom
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- [14:45:07] <mwunsch>
Food Network recipes appearing as Google Rich Snippets: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=baked+macaroni+and+cheese&aq=1&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=baked+mac&gs_rfai=
- [14:45:18] <mwunsch>
big win for hrecipe!
- [14:45:29] <tantek>
awesome!
- [14:45:32] <Phae>
oh, very cool
- [14:45:42] <tantek>
that's worth posting some screenshots to Flickr!
- [14:45:49] <Phae>
need to show this to the food people here at the bbc.
- [14:45:58] <mwunsch>
allrecipes.com (our arch-rivals) also
- [14:46:10] <tantek>
Phae, as one of the hRecipe instigators from way back - wanna do a blog post about hRecipe rich snippets on microformats.org ?
- [14:46:19] <tantek>
it's certainly come a long way
- [14:46:24] <tantek>
and you have/know the history
- [14:46:52] <Phae>
mwunsch: do you know anything more about the team behind Food Network?
- [14:47:11] <mwunsch>
I'm on the team of Food Network!
- [14:47:17] <Phae>
tantek: yep. was thinking of an update for this week. as I was saying yesterday (i think) bbc wildlife finder is using the species propsal work too
- [14:47:36] <tantek>
oh and Google Rich snippets supports hCalendar too
- [14:48:20] <tantek>
the visible results of microformats in search results is one of the best demonstrations of how microformats work well for user experience and site usability/findability
- [14:48:25] <Phae>
yeah
- [14:48:27] <Phae>
it's really cool
- [14:48:31] <tantek>
definitely worth including some screenshots!
- [14:49:13] <Phae>
mwunsch: oh, i'm sorry. my apolos. fancy emailing me a little summary about why and how you put in the hRecipe for a blog quote?
- [14:49:30] <mwunsch>
Sure thing
- [14:49:37] <Phae>
makes posts a bit richer
- [14:49:49] <mwunsch>
here's the link to google's announcement: http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2010/04/better-recipes-on-web-introducing.html
- [14:49:52] <tantek>
agreed - first hand developer testimonials mean a lot
- [14:50:07] <Phae>
cheers
- [14:52:39] <tantek>
and here's the google announcement of hCalendar rich snippets: http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2010/01/introducing-new-rich-snippets-format.html
- [14:53:59] <Phae>
ok, i think i'll title this as a general "web snippets appearing in google results" or some such and get all of that in.
- [14:54:11] <tantek>
that sounds like a great focus
- [14:55:27] <tantek>
here is the previous post on microformats.org that mentioned rich snippets: http://microformats.org/2009/05/15/rich-snippets-microformat-search
- [14:55:33] <Phae>
weet
- [14:56:52] <tantek>
perhaps explicitly mention events and recipes - "Google adds support for hCalendar and hRecipe Rich Snippets" or something like that.
- [14:57:03] <Phae>
yeah, that's more specific
- [14:58:14] <mwunsch>
Phae, where can i get your email addy?
- [14:58:32] <Phae>
fberriman@gmail will do
- [14:59:28] <mwunsch>
ok
- [14:59:32] <mwunsch>
i blogged: http://mwunsch.tumblr.com/post/556026977/hrecipe-snippets
- [14:59:49] <Phae>
i'll link you up
- [15:02:24] <tantek>
and here's a tweet by one of the Plancast founders being pleased with the hCalendar Rich Snippets shown for Plancast: http://twitter.com/jaymon/status/8982772441
- [15:10:11] <tobyink>
It would be nice if we could get http://microformats.org/wiki/hrecipe-issues#issue-20100325 resolved now that hRecipe is getting lots of exposure.
- [15:10:57] <Phae>
mmhmm
- [15:12:09] <tantek>
I'll repeat my support for Toby's issue and suggested resolution.
- [15:12:36] <tobyink>
the suggested use of class=value in hRecipe 0.22 is actively harmful to parsers implementing proper value excerption.
- [15:14:19] <mwunsch>
tobyink, tantek: I agree, and those should be removed, however i think there should be a way to specify quantity/measurement
- [15:14:48] <mwunsch>
So if a recipe called for <li class="ingredient">A baker's dozen eggs</li>
- [15:14:54] <tobyink>
google's currently suggesting class=amount and class=name within class=ingredient
- [15:15:06] <mwunsch>
tobyink: I like that
- [15:15:34] <tantek>
could you document it on the recipe-brainstorming page so we can explore alternatives?
- [15:15:49] <mwunsch>
<li class="ingredient"><span class="amount"><span class="value-title" title="13"></span>Bakers Dozen</span> <span class="name">eggs</span></li>
- [15:16:14] <tantek>
perhaps with a simpler DRY example first?
- [15:16:40] <tantek>
the value class pattern (especially value-title) should only be used in *exceptional* cases, not as a general rule
- [15:16:56] <tantek>
only when the human visible quantity/value is not machine parsable
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- [15:18:17] <tantek>
and forms a tighter association between the machine value and the human informal term
- [15:19:03] <tantek>
also - note that there is a whole measurements/quantities brainstorming effort too
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(including units etc.)
- [15:20:55] <tantek>
http://microformats.org/wiki/measure-brainstorming
- [15:21:14] <tantek>
(though I think the measure schema proposed is overkill for the 80/20)
- [15:21:21] <tantek>
(not simplified/minimal enough)
- [15:30:50] <mwunsch>
(i agree)
- [15:31:24] <tobyink>
seen? http://microformats.org/wiki/measure
- [15:31:58] <tobyink>
It makes <span class="hmeasure">1.5 kg</span> a valid hmeasure thanks to smart minimisation rules.
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