IRC Log for #microformats on 2010-04-28

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  15. [04:38:32] <tantek> http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/5749791/CA/San-Francisco/microformats-web-2-expo-meetup-drinkup/21st-Amendment/
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  51. [10:55:53] * tobyink is getting pretty close to a decent Microformats-in-Atom parser...
  52. [10:56:08] <tantek> ooh awesome
  53. [10:56:39] <tobyink> http://goddamn.co.uk/viewvc/perlmods/XML-Atom-Microformats/
  54. [10:57:17] <tobyink> I've added my suggested syntax for linking to uf profiles to the wiki.
  55. [10:57:58] <tobyink> in short <entry><link rel="profile"></entry> for per-entry profiles; and <feed><link rel="profile"></feed> for an all-entries profile.
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  59. [13:52:16] <tantek> tobyink - that's good proposal for the use of rel-profile with Atom
  60. [13:52:35] <tantek> I've written a brief description of your suggested syntax on the rel-profile page: http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-profile#Atom
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  65. [14:45:07] <mwunsch> Food Network recipes appearing as Google Rich Snippets: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=baked+macaroni+and+cheese&aq=1&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=baked+mac&gs_rfai=
  66. [14:45:18] <mwunsch> big win for hrecipe!
  67. [14:45:29] <tantek> awesome!
  68. [14:45:32] <Phae> oh, very cool
  69. [14:45:42] <tantek> that's worth posting some screenshots to Flickr!
  70. [14:45:49] <Phae> need to show this to the food people here at the bbc.
  71. [14:45:58] <mwunsch> allrecipes.com (our arch-rivals) also
  72. [14:46:10] <tantek> Phae, as one of the hRecipe instigators from way back - wanna do a blog post about hRecipe rich snippets on microformats.org ?
  73. [14:46:19] <tantek> it's certainly come a long way
  74. [14:46:24] <tantek> and you have/know the history
  75. [14:46:52] <Phae> mwunsch: do you know anything more about the team behind Food Network?
  76. [14:47:11] <mwunsch> I'm on the team of Food Network!
  77. [14:47:17] <Phae> tantek: yep. was thinking of an update for this week. as I was saying yesterday (i think) bbc wildlife finder is using the species propsal work too
  78. [14:47:36] <tantek> oh and Google Rich snippets supports hCalendar too
  79. [14:48:20] <tantek> the visible results of microformats in search results is one of the best demonstrations of how microformats work well for user experience and site usability/findability
  80. [14:48:25] <Phae> yeah
  81. [14:48:27] <Phae> it's really cool
  82. [14:48:31] <tantek> definitely worth including some screenshots!
  83. [14:49:13] <Phae> mwunsch: oh, i'm sorry. my apolos. fancy emailing me a little summary about why and how you put in the hRecipe for a blog quote?
  84. [14:49:30] <mwunsch> Sure thing
  85. [14:49:37] <Phae> makes posts a bit richer
  86. [14:49:49] <mwunsch> here's the link to google's announcement: http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2010/04/better-recipes-on-web-introducing.html
  87. [14:49:52] <tantek> agreed - first hand developer testimonials mean a lot
  88. [14:50:07] <Phae> cheers
  89. [14:52:39] <tantek> and here's the google announcement of hCalendar rich snippets: http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2010/01/introducing-new-rich-snippets-format.html
  90. [14:53:59] <Phae> ok, i think i'll title this as a general "web snippets appearing in google results" or some such and get all of that in.
  91. [14:54:11] <tantek> that sounds like a great focus
  92. [14:55:27] <tantek> here is the previous post on microformats.org that mentioned rich snippets: http://microformats.org/2009/05/15/rich-snippets-microformat-search
  93. [14:55:33] <Phae> weet
  94. [14:56:52] <tantek> perhaps explicitly mention events and recipes - "Google adds support for hCalendar and hRecipe Rich Snippets" or something like that.
  95. [14:57:03] <Phae> yeah, that's more specific
  96. [14:58:14] <mwunsch> Phae, where can i get your email addy?
  97. [14:58:32] <Phae> fberriman@gmail will do
  98. [14:59:28] <mwunsch> ok
  99. [14:59:32] <mwunsch> i blogged: http://mwunsch.tumblr.com/post/556026977/hrecipe-snippets
  100. [14:59:49] <Phae> i'll link you up
  101. [15:02:24] <tantek> and here's a tweet by one of the Plancast founders being pleased with the hCalendar Rich Snippets shown for Plancast: http://twitter.com/jaymon/status/8982772441
  102. [15:10:11] <tobyink> It would be nice if we could get http://microformats.org/wiki/hrecipe-issues#issue-20100325 resolved now that hRecipe is getting lots of exposure.
  103. [15:10:57] <Phae> mmhmm
  104. [15:12:09] <tantek> I'll repeat my support for Toby's issue and suggested resolution.
  105. [15:12:36] <tobyink> the suggested use of class=value in hRecipe 0.22 is actively harmful to parsers implementing proper value excerption.
  106. [15:14:19] <mwunsch> tobyink, tantek: I agree, and those should be removed, however i think there should be a way to specify quantity/measurement
  107. [15:14:48] <mwunsch> So if a recipe called for <li class="ingredient">A baker's dozen eggs</li>
  108. [15:14:54] <tobyink> google's currently suggesting class=amount and class=name within class=ingredient
  109. [15:15:06] <mwunsch> tobyink: I like that
  110. [15:15:34] <tantek> could you document it on the recipe-brainstorming page so we can explore alternatives?
  111. [15:15:49] <mwunsch> <li class="ingredient"><span class="amount"><span class="value-title" title="13"></span>Bakers Dozen</span> <span class="name">eggs</span></li>
  112. [15:16:14] <tantek> perhaps with a simpler DRY example first?
  113. [15:16:40] <tantek> the value class pattern (especially value-title) should only be used in *exceptional* cases, not as a general rule
  114. [15:16:56] <tantek> only when the human visible quantity/value is not machine parsable
  115. [15:17:57] * tantek would actually prefer <abbr class="value" title="13">Baker's Dozen</abbr> because it is correct and the title attribute is human readable/listenable
  116. [15:18:17] <tantek> and forms a tighter association between the machine value and the human informal term
  117. [15:19:03] <tantek> also - note that there is a whole measurements/quantities brainstorming effort too
  118. [15:19:09] <tantek> (including units etc.)
  119. [15:20:55] <tantek> http://microformats.org/wiki/measure-brainstorming
  120. [15:21:14] <tantek> (though I think the measure schema proposed is overkill for the 80/20)
  121. [15:21:21] <tantek> (not simplified/minimal enough)
  122. [15:30:50] <mwunsch> (i agree)
  123. [15:31:24] <tobyink> seen? http://microformats.org/wiki/measure
  124. [15:31:58] <tobyink> It makes <span class="hmeasure">1.5 kg</span> a valid hmeasure thanks to smart minimisation rules.
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