IRC Log for #microformats on 2011-02-25

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  2. [00:21:37] <Loqi> [[hcard-articles]] M http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=hcard-articles&diff=43658&oldid=43652&rcid=56662 * Tantek * (-130) Reverted edits by [[Special:Contributions/Dan0810|Dan0810]] ([[User talk:Dan0810|Talk]]) to last version by [[User:Tantek|Tantek]]
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  5. [01:11:00] <csarven> http://www.coupdepouce.com/recettes-cuisine/recettes/plats-principaux/volaille/poulet-du-general-tao/r/10371
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  23. [11:40:29] <Loqi> [[job-listing-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=job-listing-examples&diff=43659&oldid=42880&rcid=56663 * Bcampbell * (+391)
  24. [11:43:28] <Loqi> [[events]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=events&diff=43660&oldid=43645&rcid=56664 * Phae * (+0) move past event
  25. [11:46:31] <Loqi> [[events]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=events&diff=43661&oldid=43660&rcid=56665 * Phae * (+232) /* upcoming */ stub note for vEvent with Glenn Jones
  26. [11:48:59] <ChiefRA> guys, I need some help, if any of you available, please tye my nick name here
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  29. [13:53:27] <ChiefRA> anyone online from you guys?
  30. [14:31:31] <singpolyma> ChiefRA: Just ask your question. People lurk and will eventually see it. Much more effective than a presence query
  31. [14:35:10] <ChiefRA> oki doki
  32. [14:35:50] <ChiefRA> I've implemented a vcard and I need an aditional tag for the languages spoken for that person
  33. [14:36:18] <singpolyma> ChiefRA: You could use rel=tag
  34. [14:36:35] <ChiefRA> rel-tag supports value ?
  35. [14:36:42] <ChiefRA> as I need to put many languages
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  37. [14:37:35] <ChiefRA> I am having now deifned languages like this <dd>Danish, </dd>
  38. [14:38:11] <ChiefRA> one after another the languages are delimited through dd
  39. [14:38:30] <ChiefRA> I wanted to implement it like this: <dd class="note" value="language-spoken">Danish, </dd>
  40. [14:38:31] <singpolyma> I'm not sure what you mean "supports value"? The languages a person speaks are arguable tags for that person, or categories, so you could use rel=tag or class=category or both
  41. [14:38:38] <ChiefRA> with note but it doesn't support the value
  42. [14:38:59] <ChiefRA> see the example above.
  43. [14:39:21] <singpolyma> What would that syntax mean? value="" isn't allowed on dd... and language-spoken doesn't seem like a value at all
  44. [14:39:40] <ChiefRA> can you please build me an example?
  45. [14:40:47] <singpolyma> <div class="vcard"><span class="fn">John Smith</span> speaks <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language" rel="tag">English</a></div>
  46. [14:41:03] <Phae> if you were using dd, wouldn't it be more like <dl><dt>languages spoken</dt><dd>danish</dd><dd>french</dd></dl> ? or am i missing what you mean?
  47. [14:42:06] <ChiefRA> no, you're right on the spot
  48. [14:42:11] <ChiefRA> that's the way I'm using the languages
  49. [14:42:24] <ChiefRA> so I would like just to give them an hCard form
  50. [14:42:31] <Phae> you can still use tags as indeicated by singpolyma
  51. [14:42:40] <Phae> woah. i can't type today. indicated
  52. [14:42:51] <ChiefRA> yes, but I don't want to append an URL to each language spoken
  53. [14:43:01] <ChiefRA> I just want to mention them.
  54. [14:43:12] <ChiefRA> like in your example Phae
  55. [14:43:28] <ChiefRA> your example is the exact code I';m using on the website right now
  56. [14:43:29] <singpolyma> ChiefRA: You could use class="category" if you really don't want to disambiguate with a URI
  57. [14:44:04] <Phae> well, vcard doesn't have a property for language, so a parser isn't going to do anything with them. you could add them as notes, so potentially they have somewhere to live once pulled out of a page
  58. [14:44:28] <Phae> category might be useful, also, if you're looking to distinguish people on that value
  59. [14:44:40] <Phae> but i get the feeling you just want to append the info as just a little bit extra
  60. [14:44:42] <Phae> a side note
  61. [14:44:44] <ChiefRA> <dl class="group">
  62. [14:44:44] <ChiefRA> <dt>Languages: </dt>
  63. [14:44:44] <ChiefRA> <dd>Danish, </dd>
  64. [14:45:21] <singpolyma> <dl><dt>Languages</dt><dd class="note">Danish</dd></dl> or some such
  65. [14:45:38] <ChiefRA> this is my code, and since I've implemented the hcard on the person, I would like to outline these values (languages spoken) as a hcard values also
  66. [14:45:40] <Phae> yeah, that's what i'm thinking
  67. [14:45:50] <Phae> infact, note could probably just go on the parent dl
  68. [14:45:55] <Phae> indicating you're interested in that whole set
  69. [14:45:55] <singpolyma> or put the class="note" on the whole <dl> could work as well, then you just end up with a freeform blob of the whole list
  70. [14:46:03] <Phae> yep
  71. [14:46:17] <ChiefRA> ok I'll do it right now and come back in a sec :)
  72. [14:46:20] <Phae> :)
  73. [14:46:21] <ChiefRA> thank you
  74. [14:46:31] <Phae> we could do with elaborating on the properties in the spec on the wiki
  75. [14:46:36] <Phae> to suggest possible uses like this, i think
  76. [14:46:49] <Phae> we have no info on what a 'note' actually is
  77. [14:46:51] <Phae> for example
  78. [14:46:51] <singpolyma> ChiefRA: Not a note about µformats per se, but you might not want to put things like : and , inside the <dd> if you want the data to be meaningful. Better to use CSS, imho. That's more of an opinion, though
  79. [14:47:12] <singpolyma> I usually use "note" for bio, but I guess it's pretty freeform
  80. [14:47:16] <Phae> yeah
  81. [14:47:53] <Phae> i noticed that my android phone uses the note field with my google contacts to store machine data about what associated social networks that contact has (i.e. twitter username)
  82. [14:48:16] <ChiefRA> so in this case, Phae you think it's appropriate to use the note tag?
  83. [14:48:20] <Phae> i think so
  84. [14:48:24] <Phae> yes
  85. [14:48:39] <ChiefRA> anyhow, it works so far, take a look at the first example: http://microformatique.com/optimus/?format=validate&uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.galaxies-reborn.com%2Farthur%2Foffices%2Foffices2.htm
  86. [14:49:12] <singpolyma> Yeah, if you just need it to be human readable that seems to be working out pretty well
  87. [14:49:17] <ChiefRA> I'm using it for offices instead of people, but that;s ok.
  88. [14:49:48] <ChiefRA> and the languages is the languages spoken into that particular office.
  89. [14:51:20] <ChiefRA> thank you guys, I'll implement it like this and see on the future if there will be a special tag designated for this.
  90. [14:52:17] <ChiefRA> I also have a description of each office, which tag should I use for that ?
  91. [14:52:32] <ChiefRA> or it's out of the hcard purpose?
  92. [14:52:42] <Phae> that sounds like note territory too. you're wanting to do things that aren't part of hCard
  93. [14:52:53] <Phae> but if you feel they're important enough to be attached you should add them as notes
  94. [14:53:00] <Phae> but don't feel you have to get every thing into a contact card
  95. [14:53:07] <Phae> it's still just meant to be a virtual business card
  96. [14:53:21] <ChiefRA> mm ok then, I'll skip the description.
  97. [14:53:38] <ChiefRA> but the languages spoken in that office, are useful to fit into the business card.
  98. [14:53:55] <ChiefRA> at least in my oppinion
  99. [14:54:02] <Phae> that's good
  100. [14:54:34] <ChiefRA> and to feed them all, I've implemented a hfeed tag on a higher DIV. Is that enough ?
  101. [14:54:59] <ChiefRA> <div class="hfeed list">
  102. [14:55:02] <ChiefRA> like that
  103. [14:55:44] <singpolyma> ChiefRA: Nothing prevents you from using good http://microformats.org/wiki/posh to mark up things nicely (like class="language" or the <dl> you're using, or class="description") -- but microformats tend to specifically encode some vocabulary that may not contain a property name for every piece of data you have :)
  104. [14:56:23] <singpolyma> You wrapped the hCards in an hfeed? Are they a feed somehow?
  105. [15:01:28] <Loqi> [[poshformats]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=poshformats&diff=43662&oldid=42834&rcid=56666 * Singpolyma * (+98) /* known poshformats */ added POSHstream as a known POSHformat
  106. [15:04:12] <ChiefRA> singpolyma the full list of offices, shoule be feeded yes.
  107. [15:04:24] <Phae> but..
  108. [15:04:33] <Phae> it's not something someone would subscribe to?
  109. [15:04:36] <Phae> it's not like an RSS feed
  110. [15:04:38] <Phae> it's just info
  111. [15:04:51] <Phae> it won't be updated with regularity, i assume?
  112. [15:04:54] <Phae> this week: a new office!
  113. [15:04:55] <Phae> kinda
  114. [15:05:10] <ChiefRA> well, it's a list of worldwide offices a company has.
  115. [15:05:14] <Phae> yeah
  116. [15:05:21] <ChiefRA> so when an office will close, and another will rise,
  117. [15:05:22] <Phae> but it's not a feed of news/info. it's just information. static.
  118. [15:05:25] <singpolyma> Not a feed is the sense of an hAtom feed
  119. [15:05:26] <ChiefRA> thay will all be in the same list.
  120. [15:05:43] <Phae> you could say everything on the internet was a feed if you thought of it that way
  121. [15:05:44] <singpolyma> hAtom is like Atom : blog posts and other regularly updated things or similar
  122. [15:05:56] <ChiefRA> ok then I understand it wrong, I thought it's like that, but in a microformats style
  123. [15:06:10] <ChiefRA> so what's the purpose of this hfeed tag then?
  124. [15:06:25] <singpolyma> < singpolyma> hAtom is like Atom : blog posts and other regularly updated things or similar
  125. [15:06:32] <Phae> http://microformats.org/wiki/hfeed it's part of hatom
  126. [15:07:06] <ChiefRA> Phae, so I get it right then ?
  127. [15:07:09] <ChiefRA> I'm confused.
  128. [15:07:31] <singpolyma> ChiefRA: Are you familiar with Atom or RSS feeds?
  129. [15:08:56] <ChiefRA> I'm not an expert if that's what you ask me, I have a clue though
  130. [15:09:47] <ChiefRA> they're used to update a very fast changing data, not slow changing data.
  131. [15:09:57] <ChiefRA> and you say that these offices may change or not over time.
  132. [15:09:59] <ChiefRA> :)
  133. [15:10:06] <ChiefRA> and I getting your point correctly ?
  134. [15:13:10] <Phae> well
  135. [15:13:15] <Phae> how fast?
  136. [15:13:15] <Phae> i mena
  137. [15:13:17] <Phae> mean*
  138. [15:13:27] <Phae> offices don't shut daily
  139. [15:13:30] <ChiefRA> no, true.
  140. [15:13:32] <Phae> unless you're really unlucky :)
  141. [15:13:36] <ChiefRA> they'll be there for years.
  142. [15:13:44] <ChiefRA> hope so :)
  143. [15:13:47] <Phae> this doesn't sound like the sort of information that would generally be considered something people would syndicate
  144. [15:13:51] <Phae> you just go to a site and look this stuff up
  145. [15:14:13] <ChiefRA> well, anyway, I got your point, the hfeed is obsolente in my situation.
  146. [15:14:17] <ChiefRA> :))
  147. [15:14:18] <Phae> i think so
  148. [15:14:31] <ChiefRA> google will do a good job updating at least once a month these infos so...
  149. [15:14:36] <ChiefRA> :)
  150. [15:14:42] <Phae> think of hfeed/hatom as something you use for news/regularly updated information. like, if your company did bulletins or something like that
  151. [15:14:45] <Phae> yeah
  152. [15:14:46] <Phae> totally
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  154. [15:15:41] <ChiefRA> -than kyou so far :)
  155. [15:15:59] <ChiefRA> and you're not get rid of me just yes, as I wish to implement the hlisting too :D :)))
  156. [15:16:07] <ChiefRA> just yet*
  157. [15:16:08] <Phae> oh noes!
  158. [15:16:09] <Phae> heh
  159. [15:16:12] <ChiefRA> I cna't type today ...
  160. [15:16:18] <ChiefRA> something is wrong with my fingers :))))
  161. [15:30:46] <tobyink> ChiefRA: my parser supports <span class="lang">en</span> to mark up languages spokeb. (Taken from vCard 4.0's LANG property.)
  162. [15:31:52] <tobyink> Assuming that one day hCard (or hCard 2.0) is based on vCard 4.0 rather than vCard 3.0, other implementations will presumably also add support.
  163. [15:37:53] <ChiefRA> tobyink but in order to be human radable and machine a like, your example should look like this in a "future" microformats markup language: <span class="lang" value="en">English</span>
  164. [15:38:24] <tobyink> It supports all the usual microformats patterns, including value-title.
  165. [15:38:49] <ChiefRA> tobyink 3 days ago, I left you a pm that your website was down.
  166. [15:38:57] <ChiefRA> did you managed to put it back up ?
  167. [15:39:01] <ChiefRA> I would like to test it.
  168. [15:39:12] <tobyink> So you could do: <span class="lang"><span class="value-title" title="en"></span>English</span>
  169. [15:39:25] <tobyink> But that's more annoying to type into an IRC client. :-)
  170. [15:40:01] <tobyink> my database always crashes. I'm on an old beta version - really should upgrade it some time.
  171. [15:40:48] <ChiefRA> :)))) I could try to implement it if your example is in microformats standards.
  172. [15:42:27] <tobyink> my website's back up.
  173. [15:42:53] <ChiefRA> is value-title accepted as vcard option ?
  174. [15:43:26] <ChiefRA> option = parameter
  175. [15:44:48] <tobyink> http://microformats.org/wiki/value-class-pattern#Parsing_value_from_a_title_attribute
  176. [15:45:14] <ChiefRA> reading it now, ty
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  178. [15:48:41] * tobyink filling out tax return online. Question "were you party to one or more tax avoidance schemes?" If I were, surely I wouldn't select "Yes"...
  179. [15:50:13] <ChiefRA> tobyink I've read it, but I didn't see, can this valut-title be nested? I need to list like 4-10 languages in a vcard.
  180. [15:50:21] <ChiefRA> value-title*
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  182. [15:51:16] <tobyink> You should be able to use something like <span class="lang"><span class="value-title" title="en,de,fr"></span>English, German and French</span>
  183. [15:52:41] <singpolyma> tobyink: Would it not be better to use multiple class="lang" instead of comma sep stuff?
  184. [15:56:46] <tobyink> yeah - I think I support both, but it's been a while since I looked through the code.
  185. [16:08:24] <ChiefRA> bbl guys.
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  187. [16:20:21] <Loqi> [[testimonials]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=testimonials&diff=43663&oldid=43329&rcid=56667 * WebCreationUK * (-2) /* Popa Bogdan */
  188. [16:24:51] <Loqi> [[value-class-pattern]] M http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=value-class-pattern&diff=43664&oldid=43628&rcid=56668 * TobyInk * (+165) /* consuming and parsing tools */
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