IRC Log for #openid on 2006-12-28

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  7. [00:51:55] <vmlemon> Are the SXIP specifications really going to be rolled into OpenID, and if so, what happens to SXIP?
  8. [00:54:20] <sanedragon> Um, that depends what you mean by SXIP.
  9. [00:54:31] <vmlemon> The SXIP specifications
  10. [00:54:52] <vmlemon> I guess the company will remain as is, even afterwards
  11. [00:54:53] <sanedragon> I think most would agree that the protocol known as SXIP is already dead, or on it's death bed
  12. [00:55:20] <vmlemon> Isn't there only a handful of users, anyway?
  13. [00:56:32] <vmlemon> Unless the dizzying array of definitions of "SXIP" helped burry the protocol ;)
  14. [00:57:10] <sanedragon> But the company sxip is working on a spec for OpenID Attribute Exchange
  15. [00:57:33] <vmlemon> What happens to us few SXIP consumers?
  16. [00:57:44] <sanedragon> you'll have to ask them
  17. [00:57:55] <vmlemon> Unless they all fade away and die
  18. [00:59:02] <vmlemon> Shouldn't I pull my own SXIP consumer from my site, and watch the rest of them burn slowly? ;) Or should I stick around and see what happens?
  19. [00:59:41] <vmlemon> Seeing as OpenID will probably be the de facto standard
  20. [00:59:47] <sanedragon> That's really up to you.
  21. [01:01:06] <vmlemon> I doubt the plugin that I use will be ported to Drupal 5.x, and the SXIP Server module was only for Drupal 4.6.x
  22. [01:01:31] <vmlemon> And of course, 4.6.x was retired a while ago
  23. [01:02:32] <sanedragon> You would probably do well to contaxt sxip dirextly
  24. [01:02:48] <cygnus> hah
  25. [01:02:52] <vmlemon> Yeah, good point
  26. [01:03:42] <vmlemon> They even answer the question themselves about the meanings of the different 'mutations' of the term "SXIP"
  27. [01:05:01] <vmlemon> Unless it wasn't very popular to begin with
  28. [01:06:25] <sanedragon> yeah, me neither.
  29. [01:07:14] <vmlemon> Probably the biggest user of the protocol itself, is well, themselves ;)
  30. [01:08:23] <vmlemon> Even then, with Whobar, they don't use the SXIP protocol at all
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  38. [04:53:25] <Demian> hi
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  45. [10:15:15] <pisi> keturn: well, having the openid server as an wsgi application would still be good to everybody.
  46. [10:15:26] <pisi> i'll see what i can do.
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  61. [16:21:57] <jibot> xlarrydrebes is yet another Janrain idler.
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  71. [18:48:55] <jibot> cygnus is WorkerBee(name="Jonathan Daugherty", company="JanRain, Inc.")
  72. [18:57:49] <don-o> time to add openid consumer functionality to a rails app.
  73. [18:57:53] <don-o> time me. :)
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  75. [19:10:17] * cygnus starts a virtual stopwatch
  76. [19:10:26] <cygnus> (12 minutes late)
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  78. [19:41:18] <Demian> hi
  79. [19:41:43] <don-o> ruby-openid-1.1.3/examples/rails_openid_login_generator/templates/controller_test.rb -> 0 bytes? oh NOES. :)
  80. [19:42:05] <don-o> DEPRECATION WARNING: @session is deprecated! Call session.[] instead of @session.[]. Args: ["_yadis_services_xopenid_services"] See http://www.rubyonrails.org/deprecation for details. (called from get_manager at /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/ruby-yadis-0.3.3/lib/yadis/manager.rb:87)
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  82. [19:43:25] <cygnus> don-o: I'll ask brianellin to check on it after lunch
  83. [19:44:12] <vmlemon> Will an OpenID module be written for Drupal 5.0 RC now that it's out? Or are you waiting until 5.0 final?
  84. [19:44:33] <don-o> cygnus: okay i just emailed him the same thing.
  85. [19:44:38] <cygnus> don-o: thanks :)
  86. [19:45:29] <cygnus> vmlemon: I think you asked this before. But no, we don't have plans to do it soon; we have a lot of other things going on. As some people can tell you, I am happy to accept patches to the module to make it work with 5.0, but as some other people can tell you, Drupal 5 is likely to be a different beast than 4, which means the module may need to change substantially.
  87. [19:46:20] <cygnus> vmlemon: and it would probably not be wise to write for 5.0RC, at any rate. Better to write for -final, or wait until they've released bugfixes.
  88. [19:47:33] <don-o> if i were a good contributer id be emailing brian patches, not change requests :)
  89. [19:47:41] <vmlemon> OK, I'll hold on. Shame I've just moved to 5.x RC ;)
  90. [19:47:51] <sanedragon> don-o, yeah, the generator needs updating. This is a known problem.
  91. [19:47:53] <cygnus> vmlemon: you might be interested to e-mail j@v2v.cc, as he has contributed patches to the 4.x module and might be interested in porting it to 5.
  92. [19:48:32] <don-o> sanedragon: i dont like generators anyways. im mostly concerned about the yadis warnings.
  93. [19:49:40] <sanedragon> don-o, you might take a look at my openid controller code from http://rorek.org/blog/Simple_Rails_OpenID_Guestbook
  94. [19:49:54] <sanedragon> it's cleaned up from the generator code with some extra features
  95. [19:49:57] <cygnus> sanedragon: thanks for setting up that demo. :)
  96. [19:49:59] <sanedragon> like immediate mode
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  98. [19:50:45] <sanedragon> and helpers like logged_in? and logged_in_user
  99. [19:50:56] <don-o> thanks dag. i agree vegetables are delicious.
  100. [19:51:13] <sanedragon> :)
  101. [19:53:53] <vmlemon> cygnus: I've emailed him about it
  102. [19:54:02] <cygnus> vmlemon: cool
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  104. [19:55:15] <GabeW> just a reminder guys - this is all logged at http://rbach.priv.at/OpenID-IRC/
  105. [19:55:23] <GabeW> [off] Test
  106. [19:55:30] <GabeW> hrm, that doesn't work
  107. [19:55:56] <vmlemon> GabeW: It appears to be working
  108. [19:56:13] <GabeW> i mean, i tried to enter something that *should not* get logged
  109. [19:56:29] <vmlemon> It's logging off-the-record stuff?
  110. [19:56:33] <GabeW> this logbot is very simple
  111. [19:56:46] <GabeW> it logs everything in the channel
  112. [19:57:15] <GabeW> the guts of it are at http://rbach.priv.at/repos/mflogbot/trunk/org/jibble/logbot/LogBot.java
  113. [19:57:23] <vmlemon> Cool
  114. [19:57:35] * cygnus hugs OpenIDlogbot
  115. [19:57:42] <don-o> everything's logged eh? in that case, BrianEllin likes beets for dinner! its true! :)
  116. [19:57:48] <GabeW> OpenIDlogbot logs hug
  117. [19:58:23] <vmlemon> Does he speak when spoken to? ;)
  118. [19:58:26] <GabeW> no
  119. [19:58:31] <GabeW> very passive bot
  120. [19:58:34] <GabeW> dumbot
  121. [19:58:42] <vmlemon> Just like all bots should be ;)
  122. [19:58:49] <GabeW> but the stylesheet lets you filter out jibot (yay!)
  123. [19:58:58] <GabeW> and part/join, mode changes
  124. [19:59:15] <GabeW> I'd also like to see phenny here
  125. [19:59:28] <brianellin> don-o, wrong, i *love* beets for dinner!
  126. [19:59:53] <don-o> brianellin: :)
  127. [20:00:15] <don-o> whoho. one hour has gone by and ive got the rails app to the point where it redirects to the identity provider.
  128. [20:00:29] <GabeW> cool
  129. [20:00:43] <don-o> im not sure if thats average or really slow. :)
  130. [20:00:52] <GabeW> slow for python ;-)
  131. [20:00:55] * GabeW ducks
  132. [20:00:59] <GabeW> i'm just kidding
  133. [20:01:00] <cygnus> heh
  134. [20:01:03] <cygnus> no you're not. :)
  135. [20:01:05] <GabeW> don't want to start a language war
  136. [20:01:13] <GabeW> cygnus: correct, I'm not really kidding
  137. [20:01:14] <GabeW> ;-)
  138. [20:01:15] <don-o> LOL
  139. [20:01:21] <cygnus> :)
  140. [20:01:30] <don-o> thats WITH TESTS i might add.
  141. [20:01:53] * cygnus heads out to lunch
  142. [20:01:58] <GabeW> the nice thing about the ruby/python language permawar is that usually both sides realize how ridiculous the language wars are
  143. [20:02:06] <GabeW> and do it for the sheer amusement
  144. [20:02:09] <GabeW> *usually*
  145. [20:02:33] <don-o> permawar. good term.
  146. [20:02:40] <vmlemon> Seeing as we have Ruby and Perl, I really want to see "Diamond" soon ;)
  147. [20:03:13] <GabeW> vmlemon: heh
  148. [20:03:19] <GabeW> python 3000 should be called diamond
  149. [20:03:32] <GabeW> oh that would be hilarious
  150. [20:03:36] <vmlemon> Hah
  151. [20:03:46] <don-o> i read the name ruby was choose because its the birthstore that is the chronological successor to pearl.
  152. [20:04:19] <vmlemon> At least "ALGOL on Axles" hasn't been thrust upon the world ;)
  153. [20:04:35] <GabeW> asp on axles
  154. [20:04:45] <vmlemon> Gosh, that would suck ;)
  155. [20:05:07] <GabeW> python on pyrotechnics
  156. [20:05:09] <don-o> Smalltalk on Sleds
  157. [20:05:10] <vmlemon> Tango on Tracks ;)
  158. [20:05:48] <vmlemon> PHP's a hard one ;)
  159. [20:05:55] <don-o> as is Haskel
  160. [20:06:15] <vmlemon> FORTRAN on Floats?
  161. [20:06:27] <vmlemon> COBOL on Casters?
  162. [20:06:37] <vmlemon> erm Castors
  163. [20:07:11] <don-o> ha
  164. [20:07:40] <vmlemon> We need something on Skiis ;)
  165. [20:08:21] <don-o> Self
  166. [20:08:29] <vmlemon> Perfect ;)
  167. [20:08:43] <GabeW> ml on gotta run
  168. [20:08:55] <vmlemon> OK
  169. [20:10:06] <vmlemon> Hmm, there's no Ruby-encrusted Ruby books :(
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  172. [21:19:51] <don-o> ?nonce=CnYfZZlM&openid.error=return_to+%27http%3A%2F%2Flocalhost%3A1080%2Fsessions%3Bcomplete%3Fnonce%3DCnYfZZlM%27+not+under+trust_root+%27http%3A%2F%2Flocalhost%3A1080%2Fsessions%27&openid.mode=error
  173. [21:20:15] <don-o> can someone help determine what the 'not under trust root' error is trying to say?
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  175. [21:27:17] <brianellin> what is your return_to url, and what is your trust_root?
  176. [21:30:51] <don-o> brianellin: i think ive found the problem once i found an un URL encoded form
  177. [21:31:07] <don-o> "openid.error"=>"return_to 'http://localhost:1080/sessions;complete?nonce=BwOxW6dE' not under trust_root 'http://localhost:1080/sessions'"
  178. [21:31:32] <don-o> damn REST method;other_method stuff getting in the way
  179. [21:31:59] <brianellin> why are you using a REST method?
  180. [21:32:19] <don-o> brianellin: because the login system was made with restful_authentication
  181. [21:33:11] <don-o> perhaps the right thing to do is unRESTify this controller
  182. [21:34:51] <brianellin> ah, okay
  183. [21:34:52] * cygnus returns
  184. [21:37:23] <don-o> brianellin: even without openid the restful_authentication is a mess
  185. [21:38:53] <don-o> wait a sec.. on myopenid does Allow Once mean Once and Never Again?!
  186. [21:39:04] <don-o> I thought Allow Once meant Once and Ask next time
  187. [21:39:07] <sanedragon> It means ask next time
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  189. [21:39:24] <don-o> ok
  190. [22:06:37] <don-o> done.
  191. [22:06:50] <don-o> 3 hours. longer than i would have expected.
  192. [22:07:22] <don-o> add in chocolate chip cookie time, salad time, and a few interruptions
  193. [22:07:54] <sanedragon> and you were modifying an existing auth controller
  194. [22:16:32] <don-o> yeah that was a bit of a pain. plus i had to learn about setting the trusted_root correctly
  195. [22:19:01] <sanedragon> what would have made the process easier?
  196. [22:19:47] <don-o> maybe a one page documentation sheet of the two controller methods needed
  197. [22:20:02] <don-o> the API into the openid module is very nice/simple
  198. [22:22:46] <sanedragon> I'll comment the hell out of the openid controller code for the next version of the guestbook.
  199. [22:23:18] <brianellin> don-o, is the inline documentation too wordy?
  200. [22:23:31] <don-o> inline docs?
  201. [22:23:38] <don-o> im using the generator templates
  202. [22:24:06] <brianellin> the lib comes with rdoc documentation
  203. [22:24:17] <brianellin> it builds when you install the gem
  204. [22:24:20] <don-o> heh. i never use rdoc.
  205. [22:24:36] <don-o> i never know what to put after ri
  206. [22:24:40] <brianellin> http://www.openidenabled.com/resources/docs/openid/ruby/
  207. [22:24:50] <don-o> ri openid? ri OpenID? ri OpenID::Consumer?
  208. [22:25:10] <brianellin> i dunno, i don't use ri
  209. [22:25:22] <brianellin> i just find the docs i need and open them in firefox
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  211. [22:30:43] <don-o> k. thx.
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