IRC Log for #openid on 2007-01-19

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  1. [00:04:42] <GabeW> i don't think its a suicide note though - just aaron being aaron
  2. [00:39:14] <don-o> how was the mashpid? got openid integrated into firefox yet? :)
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  4. [00:50:00] <chowells79> Low turnout do to inclement weather...
  5. [00:50:07] <chowells79> But several people got useful stuff done there.
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  89. [22:02:30] <cygnus> no, no, no
  90. [22:02:38] <cygnus> flash is bad, don't use it as a browser plugin
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  92. [22:10:23] <rorek> cygnus, ?
  93. [22:11:19] <cygnus> in reference to an openid-general message
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  96. [22:23:23] <whateley> heh
  97. [22:24:07] <whateley> mailing list archives. december 2006 : 77kB gizpped. january 2007 : 177kB gzipped.
  98. [22:26:26] <cygnus> :)
  99. [22:36:01] <whateley> i guess people are starting to take notice
  100. [22:36:13] <whateley> we
  101. [22:36:53] <rorek> and january's not over yet, and mailing list traffic shows no signs of letting up
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  103. [22:42:37] <wizard545> hey guys
  104. [22:47:24] <cygnus> howdy
  105. [22:47:43] <GabeW> heh
  106. [22:47:50] <GabeW> and lots of cross posting
  107. [22:47:56] <cygnus> totally
  108. [22:47:59] * GabeW frowns on cross posting unneccesarily
  109. [22:48:04] * cygnus nods.
  110. [22:48:14] <cygnus> but .. that's what happens when you take one list and split it into three or four. :)
  111. [22:48:21] <cygnus> people treat it as one logical list.
  112. [22:48:33] <cygnus> which brings me back to my original point
  113. [22:48:34] <cygnus> no more lists
  114. [22:48:42] <GabeW> we should see if there's any significant difference in membership between general and specs
  115. [22:48:52] * cygnus wagers not
  116. [22:51:26] <GabeW> you should send an email, cross posted (of course), pointing this out
  117. [22:51:37] <GabeW> or at least asking the question
  118. [22:53:53] <cygnus> heh
  119. [22:54:49] <cygnus> although I doubt the metacriticism is likely to go over well. there were quite a few people in favor of the original division.
  120. [23:01:57] <rorek> I'm not on the marketing list, and I have openid-general go into my inbox and specs go into its own folder. I'm happy with the division.
  121. [23:03:58] <_keturn> general goes into your inbox? woah
  122. [23:04:05] <wizard545> hey where do you guys think i can get a cheap dedicated box for openid devel? i have me and a friend working on a project
  123. [23:04:32] <rorek> _keturn, I've been rethinking that the last couple days
  124. [23:20:44] <cygnus> wizard545: what sort of development are you going to be doing?
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  126. [23:36:50] <_keturn> sweet, ka-ping weighs in on the openid list
  127. [23:37:53] * _keturn is a Ka-Ping Yee fanboy. Don't tell anyone.
  128. [23:38:03] <factoryjoe> ;)
  129. [23:38:07] <factoryjoe> i won't tell anyone
  130. [23:41:29] <GabeW> oh me too!
  131. [23:41:32] <GabeW> for sure!
  132. [23:41:40] * GabeW is thrilled to see him piping up
  133. [23:42:08] <GabeW> i'm glad we're going through these machinations about phishing - building good pressure to do something about the problem more generally
  134. [23:42:29] <factoryjoe> phishing is a huge issue
  135. [23:42:44] <factoryjoe> if we can offer some kind of improvement, it will greatly advance openid and its potential for adoption
  136. [23:42:51] <factoryjoe> you see this? http://www.flickr.com/news.gne#sec_alert
  137. [23:43:07] <GabeW> the theory about openid was that it would rely on someone else solving the phishing problem
  138. [23:43:21] <GabeW> and by getting traction, the incenitive for those "someone elses" is growing a lot
  139. [23:43:37] <GabeW> that is, "fix phishing, or openid will make it worse" ;-)
  140. [23:43:59] * cygnus grumbles and refrains from signing in to look at that URL
  141. [23:44:08] <GabeW> instead of the current situation where we have a bunch of hacks and workarounds and scenario-specific mitigation approaches
  142. [23:44:26] <GabeW> heh
  143. [23:44:49] <GabeW> actually the current situation is a state of flux - hacks become solutions
  144. [23:45:17] <cygnus> IMHO that's what we're going to end up with, regardless
  145. [23:45:31] <cygnus> as phishing is not one specific behavior with one specific safeguard
  146. [23:45:45] <cygnus> which is why it's so funny (annoying?) when Anti-Phishing(TM) gets mentinoed
  147. [23:45:47] <cygnus> mentioned, even
  148. [23:45:58] <factoryjoe> phishing really is a behavioral problem
  149. [23:46:07] <factoryjoe> you can't really prevent it
  150. [23:46:10] <factoryjoe> just like viruses
  151. [23:46:17] <factoryjoe> these kind of things exist for a reason
  152. [23:46:28] <GabeW> hmm
  153. [23:46:31] <factoryjoe> which is fairly darwinian of me to admit
  154. [23:46:34] <factoryjoe> ;)
  155. [23:47:12] <rorek> ? is to phishing as sanitation is to viruses
  156. [23:47:38] <cygnus> rorek: cleverly designed software and perhaps some user education
  157. [23:47:55] <cygnus> hopefully, the former
  158. [23:47:59] <cygnus> with no need for the latter
  159. [23:48:32] <cygnus> which is totally unrealistic, sure :)
  160. [23:48:54] <_keturn> well, it's not like con artists are a new problem, so it involves a certain amount of hubris to believe we can solve the problem with a little clever software.
  161. [23:49:00] <rorek> Well, this whole firefox 3 thing looks pretty promising to me
  162. [23:49:13] <rorek> although it's a ways down the road
  163. [23:49:15] <cygnus> _keturn: yeah
  164. [23:49:28] <cygnus> _keturn: and so far, it's snake oil
  165. [23:49:55] <rorek> _keturn, notice I said sanitation and not immunization
  166. [23:51:07] <rorek> There's no way we'll stop all possible phishing attacks, but we can make them significantly harder, and make people think twice before they put their virtual dirty hand in their mouths
  167. [23:51:37] <factoryjoe> sanitation++
  168. [23:51:45] <factoryjoe> you wipe your own ass
  169. [23:51:48] <factoryjoe> or else
  170. [23:51:50] <factoryjoe> right?
  171. [23:52:06] <GabeW> we need identity condoms
  172. [23:53:18] <factoryjoe> ha
  173. [23:53:33] <rorek> part of the problem is that the very people who are most likely to get phished are the people who are least likely to install a browser extension to help them prevent phishing
  174. [23:53:59] <factoryjoe> yep
  175. [23:54:00] <GabeW> like sexually active teenagers are the least likely to engage in safer sex
  176. [23:54:07] <factoryjoe> heh
  177. [23:54:09] <factoryjoe> well
  178. [23:54:19] <factoryjoe> i don't know that getting firefox support is the best solution either
  179. [23:54:24] <factoryjoe> again, 15% of the market
  180. [23:54:30] <factoryjoe> after 2+ years of promoting it
  181. [23:54:32] <GabeW> i mean, seriously, its the users that are least likely to protect themselves are the most likely to be targeted
  182. [23:54:38] <factoryjoe> and it's a salient solution to the IE problem
  183. [23:55:01] <factoryjoe> firefox was actually making things better... blocking popups, less adware, all the bad stuff
  184. [23:55:13] <GabeW> oh thats a good point
  185. [23:55:16] <factoryjoe> firefox was advil+ in dick hardt lingo
  186. [23:55:23] <GabeW> right
  187. [23:55:28] <factoryjoe> and it still only saw 15%
  188. [23:55:34] <factoryjoe> now IE has been improved
  189. [23:55:39] <factoryjoe> the value of Firefox is less now
  190. [23:55:57] <factoryjoe> we can't count on the longtail switching their browser now unless IE gets targeted for 5 years again
  191. [23:59:05] <rorek> I really hope that apple starts distributing firefox instead of safari
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  193. [23:59:11] <factoryjoe> haha
  194. [23:59:14] <factoryjoe> yeah right
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  196. [23:59:23] <factoryjoe> they missed their chance

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