IRC Log for #openid on 2007-01-19
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- [00:04:42] <GabeW>
i don't think its a suicide note though - just aaron being aaron
- [00:39:14] <don-o>
how was the mashpid? got openid integrated into firefox yet? :)
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- [00:50:00] <chowells79>
Low turnout do to inclement weather...
- [00:50:07] <chowells79>
But several people got useful stuff done there.
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- [22:02:30] <cygnus>
no, no, no
- [22:02:38] <cygnus>
flash is bad, don't use it as a browser plugin
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- [22:10:23] <rorek>
cygnus, ?
- [22:11:19] <cygnus>
in reference to an openid-general message
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- [22:23:23] <whateley>
heh
- [22:24:07] <whateley>
mailing list archives. december 2006 : 77kB gizpped. january 2007 : 177kB gzipped.
- [22:26:26] <cygnus>
:)
- [22:36:01] <whateley>
i guess people are starting to take notice
- [22:36:13] <whateley>
we
- [22:36:53] <rorek>
and january's not over yet, and mailing list traffic shows no signs of letting up
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- [22:42:37] <wizard545>
hey guys
- [22:47:24] <cygnus>
howdy
- [22:47:43] <GabeW>
heh
- [22:47:50] <GabeW>
and lots of cross posting
- [22:47:56] <cygnus>
totally
- [22:47:59] * GabeW frowns on cross posting unneccesarily
- [22:48:04] * cygnus nods.
- [22:48:14] <cygnus>
but .. that's what happens when you take one list and split it into three or four. :)
- [22:48:21] <cygnus>
people treat it as one logical list.
- [22:48:33] <cygnus>
which brings me back to my original point
- [22:48:34] <cygnus>
no more lists
- [22:48:42] <GabeW>
we should see if there's any significant difference in membership between general and specs
- [22:48:52] * cygnus wagers not
- [22:51:26] <GabeW>
you should send an email, cross posted (of course), pointing this out
- [22:51:37] <GabeW>
or at least asking the question
- [22:53:53] <cygnus>
heh
- [22:54:49] <cygnus>
although I doubt the metacriticism is likely to go over well. there were quite a few people in favor of the original division.
- [23:01:57] <rorek>
I'm not on the marketing list, and I have openid-general go into my inbox and specs go into its own folder. I'm happy with the division.
- [23:03:58] <_keturn>
general goes into your inbox? woah
- [23:04:05] <wizard545>
hey where do you guys think i can get a cheap dedicated box for openid devel? i have me and a friend working on a project
- [23:04:32] <rorek>
_keturn, I've been rethinking that the last couple days
- [23:20:44] <cygnus>
wizard545: what sort of development are you going to be doing?
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- [23:36:50] <_keturn>
sweet, ka-ping weighs in on the openid list
- [23:37:53] * _keturn is a Ka-Ping Yee fanboy. Don't tell anyone.
- [23:38:03] <factoryjoe>
;)
- [23:38:07] <factoryjoe>
i won't tell anyone
- [23:41:29] <GabeW>
oh me too!
- [23:41:32] <GabeW>
for sure!
- [23:41:40] * GabeW is thrilled to see him piping up
- [23:42:08] <GabeW>
i'm glad we're going through these machinations about phishing - building good pressure to do something about the problem more generally
- [23:42:29] <factoryjoe>
phishing is a huge issue
- [23:42:44] <factoryjoe>
if we can offer some kind of improvement, it will greatly advance openid and its potential for adoption
- [23:42:51] <factoryjoe>
you see this? http://www.flickr.com/news.gne#sec_alert
- [23:43:07] <GabeW>
the theory about openid was that it would rely on someone else solving the phishing problem
- [23:43:21] <GabeW>
and by getting traction, the incenitive for those "someone elses" is growing a lot
- [23:43:37] <GabeW>
that is, "fix phishing, or openid will make it worse" ;-)
- [23:43:59] * cygnus grumbles and refrains from signing in to look at that URL
- [23:44:08] <GabeW>
instead of the current situation where we have a bunch of hacks and workarounds and scenario-specific mitigation approaches
- [23:44:26] <GabeW>
heh
- [23:44:49] <GabeW>
actually the current situation is a state of flux - hacks become solutions
- [23:45:17] <cygnus>
IMHO that's what we're going to end up with, regardless
- [23:45:31] <cygnus>
as phishing is not one specific behavior with one specific safeguard
- [23:45:45] <cygnus>
which is why it's so funny (annoying?) when Anti-Phishing(TM) gets mentinoed
- [23:45:47] <cygnus>
mentioned, even
- [23:45:58] <factoryjoe>
phishing really is a behavioral problem
- [23:46:07] <factoryjoe>
you can't really prevent it
- [23:46:10] <factoryjoe>
just like viruses
- [23:46:17] <factoryjoe>
these kind of things exist for a reason
- [23:46:28] <GabeW>
hmm
- [23:46:31] <factoryjoe>
which is fairly darwinian of me to admit
- [23:46:34] <factoryjoe>
;)
- [23:47:12] <rorek>
? is to phishing as sanitation is to viruses
- [23:47:38] <cygnus>
rorek: cleverly designed software and perhaps some user education
- [23:47:55] <cygnus>
hopefully, the former
- [23:47:59] <cygnus>
with no need for the latter
- [23:48:32] <cygnus>
which is totally unrealistic, sure :)
- [23:48:54] <_keturn>
well, it's not like con artists are a new problem, so it involves a certain amount of hubris to believe we can solve the problem with a little clever software.
- [23:49:00] <rorek>
Well, this whole firefox 3 thing looks pretty promising to me
- [23:49:13] <rorek>
although it's a ways down the road
- [23:49:15] <cygnus>
_keturn: yeah
- [23:49:28] <cygnus>
_keturn: and so far, it's snake oil
- [23:49:55] <rorek>
_keturn, notice I said sanitation and not immunization
- [23:51:07] <rorek>
There's no way we'll stop all possible phishing attacks, but we can make them significantly harder, and make people think twice before they put their virtual dirty hand in their mouths
- [23:51:37] <factoryjoe>
sanitation++
- [23:51:45] <factoryjoe>
you wipe your own ass
- [23:51:48] <factoryjoe>
or else
- [23:51:50] <factoryjoe>
right?
- [23:52:06] <GabeW>
we need identity condoms
- [23:53:18] <factoryjoe>
ha
- [23:53:33] <rorek>
part of the problem is that the very people who are most likely to get phished are the people who are least likely to install a browser extension to help them prevent phishing
- [23:53:59] <factoryjoe>
yep
- [23:54:00] <GabeW>
like sexually active teenagers are the least likely to engage in safer sex
- [23:54:07] <factoryjoe>
heh
- [23:54:09] <factoryjoe>
well
- [23:54:19] <factoryjoe>
i don't know that getting firefox support is the best solution either
- [23:54:24] <factoryjoe>
again, 15% of the market
- [23:54:30] <factoryjoe>
after 2+ years of promoting it
- [23:54:32] <GabeW>
i mean, seriously, its the users that are least likely to protect themselves are the most likely to be targeted
- [23:54:38] <factoryjoe>
and it's a salient solution to the IE problem
- [23:55:01] <factoryjoe>
firefox was actually making things better... blocking popups, less adware, all the bad stuff
- [23:55:13] <GabeW>
oh thats a good point
- [23:55:16] <factoryjoe>
firefox was advil+ in dick hardt lingo
- [23:55:23] <GabeW>
right
- [23:55:28] <factoryjoe>
and it still only saw 15%
- [23:55:34] <factoryjoe>
now IE has been improved
- [23:55:39] <factoryjoe>
the value of Firefox is less now
- [23:55:57] <factoryjoe>
we can't count on the longtail switching their browser now unless IE gets targeted for 5 years again
- [23:59:05] <rorek>
I really hope that apple starts distributing firefox instead of safari
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- [23:59:11] <factoryjoe>
haha
- [23:59:14] <factoryjoe>
yeah right
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- [23:59:23] <factoryjoe>
they missed their chance
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