IRC Log for #openid on 2007-02-09

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  1. [00:00:35] <SvenDowideit> hope de-tainting it doesn't become a massive thing, but we'll see
  2. [00:00:47] <rorek> good luck.
  3. [00:00:52] <SvenDowideit> thanks :)
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  72. [05:57:15] <GabeW> blhads
  73. [06:04:08] * _keturn kicks his MTA
  74. [06:05:08] <_keturn> hey, did you send that thing? I want to know if it's sent!
  75. [06:06:03] <GabeW> i did not send it
  76. [06:06:48] <_keturn> GabeW: but then, I wasn't expecting you to be my MTA
  77. [06:06:58] <_keturn> was that my problem?
  78. [06:10:06] * _keturn assumes it's in a queue somewhere and that it might get delivered if he just goes to bed.
  79. [06:10:09] <GabeW> i donno
  80. [06:10:13] <GabeW> i don't want to
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  93. [10:02:43] <jibot> snail is not a girl he is mentally divergent
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  95. [11:41:28] <jibot> xlarrydrebes is yet another Janrain idler.
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  100. [14:34:50] <wizard545> anyone around?
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  162. [16:16:49] <don-o> just us tapirs
  163. [16:17:15] * don-o sniffs the ground for food
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  166. [16:19:02] <jibot> xlarrydrebes is yet another Janrain idler.
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  169. [16:48:06] <maindrag> ok does anyone know of a good outline of how openID, cardspace, higgins trust, yabis, and the like are interacting?
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  171. [17:06:03] <jibot> cygnus is WorkerBee(name="Jonathan Daugherty", company="JanRain, Inc.")
  172. [17:08:49] <don-o> maindrag: sounds like a wikipedia article waiting to be written
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  174. [17:09:23] <jibot> xlarrydrebes is yet another Janrain idler.
  175. [17:09:46] <don-o> jibot is a noisy bot
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  177. [17:39:01] <jibot> brianellin is an engineer at JanRain
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  181. [19:07:55] <rubyruy> anyone here from openid.com ?
  182. [19:08:07] <rubyruy> or at least someone testing intergation with them
  183. [19:08:39] <rubyruy> trying to use sreg via ruby-openid and i'm not getting a reply back :/ not even getting a prompt for it on their page
  184. [19:09:20] <rubyruy> err also i meant myopenid.com not openid.com :p
  185. [19:09:30] <_keturn> oh, okay, I was just going to ask about that
  186. [19:09:33] <_keturn> in that case, then yes :)
  187. [19:09:59] <rubyruy> alrighty so what's the magic word your server is looking for :p
  188. [19:11:21] <_keturn> for example, openid.sreg.required=email,timezone
  189. [19:12:11] <rubyruy> http://www.myopenid.com/server?openid.mode=checkid_immediate&openid.return_to=http%3A%2F%2F192.168.0.102%3A3003%2Faccount%2Fcomplete%3Fnonce%3DqBWQR7aP&openid.sreg.optional=nickname&openid.trust_root=http%3A%2F%2F192.168.0.102%3A3003%2Faccount&openid.identity=http%3A%2F%2Fruy.myopenid.com%2F&openid.assoc_handle=SNIP&openid.sreg.policy_url=http%3A%2F%2Fgoogle.com%2F
  190. [19:12:19] <rubyruy> that's my request (with the handle removed)
  191. [19:12:46] <rubyruy> err also nvm the policy-url being google
  192. [19:13:40] <_keturn> well, it won't prompt in immediate mode
  193. [19:14:05] <rubyruy> isn't it supposed to?
  194. [19:14:18] <_keturn> no, immediate mode means 'give me an answer right away'
  195. [19:14:24] <rubyruy> yeah except if it can't
  196. [19:14:30] <rubyruy> in which case i should get back setup needed
  197. [19:14:47] <rubyruy> (right?0
  198. [19:15:00] <_keturn> right, but you still get back setup needed, not a prompt
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  200. [19:16:49] <rubyruy> right - and if the user follows the setup needed url shouldn't they see the prompt? or is that considered a totally separate action of sorts
  201. [19:16:50] <_keturn> although that _should_ work if you've previously approved a profile for use with that trust root
  202. [19:18:56] <_keturn> Depends if we remembered to include the sreg paramaters on the setup needed url. :-/
  203. [19:19:12] <_keturn> (that url is going away in OpenID 2.0, hooray.)
  204. [19:19:24] <rubyruy> guess you didn't :p
  205. [19:19:35] <rubyruy> is it safe to add them myself i wonder?
  206. [19:20:22] <_keturn> I'd just try again with checkid_setup mode
  207. [19:29:21] <rubyruy> ok so what your server is doing is if it gets an sreg request in immediate mode it signals setup needed which is good
  208. [19:30:05] <rubyruy> however if End User is already logged in then the setup url has nothing to do and redirects straight to the success page even though it actually failed
  209. [19:30:07] <rubyruy> that can't be right
  210. [19:31:41] <_keturn> hrm
  211. [19:31:52] * _keturn tries playing with his own example
  212. [19:32:11] <rubyruy> this is all immediate mode - checkid is fine
  213. [19:33:37] <rubyruy> and just to clarify - by 'failed' i mean failed to returned sreg attributes
  214. [19:33:41] <rubyruy> even if they were required
  215. [19:34:12] <rubyruy> it shouldn't both not return sregs AND mark the thing as a success
  216. [19:35:54] <rorek> the sreg extension is separate from the openid login protocol, so their status is separate
  217. [19:37:02] <rubyruy> hmm... i wonder if i can work around it. i guess i could first check if the server supports sreg in the request phase, and if yes then ALSO check if it actually returned sreg data. Buuuuuut then I can't actually tell if the user simply declined the sreg request... :/
  218. [19:37:18] <rubyruy> maybe i can just initiate a non-immediate check in case of setup_needed ?
  219. [19:37:56] <_keturn> you can (and probably should) initiate a non-immediate check in the case of setup_needed, but it'll behave the same way with respect to the return status
  220. [19:38:35] <rorek> generally one wants to do the sreg stuff non-immediate anyhow...
  221. [19:38:51] <rubyruy> well if we're trusted we can be immediate
  222. [19:39:10] <_keturn> how would you like to behave differently if the OP doesn't support sreg vs. the user decided not to send back that data?
  223. [19:42:52] <rubyruy> i wouldn't - but if the server claims sreg support and doesn't actually provide it in the setup_url i would just initiate a non-immediate check. I wouldn't do this if the user simply declined to provide them.
  224. [19:43:00] <rubyruy> But the 2 events look identical from my end.
  225. [19:43:18] <rubyruy> ... but like you say i could just ALWAYS initiate a non-immediate request upon setup needed
  226. [19:43:29] <rubyruy> question: why even have a setup_url then?
  227. [19:43:36] <rubyruy> just wondering... in general
  228. [19:43:54] <_keturn> rubyruy: we wondered the same thing. that's why it's gone from v 2.0 of the protocol. ;)
  229. [19:44:15] <rubyruy> so in 2.0 setup_needed = > make your request again?
  230. [19:44:31] <rubyruy> (wihtout immediate mode)
  231. [19:44:40] <_keturn> yeah
  232. [19:44:47] <rubyruy> welllies
  233. [19:45:47] <rubyruy> is there a writeup somewhere that explains 2.0 just in terms of what changed from 1.1 ?
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  235. [19:47:30] <_keturn> I'm not sure where an up-to-date version of that is
  236. [19:47:33] <_keturn> but he would know
  237. [19:47:47] <_keturn> j3h: <rubyruy> is there a writeup somewhere that explains 2.0 just in terms of what changed from 1.1 ?
  238. [19:51:31] <j3h> I haven't made sure that this is totally up-to-date, but that's what this was intended to be: http://openid.net/svn/filedetails.php?repname=specifications&path=%2Fauthentication%2F2.0%2Ftrunk%2FNEWS&rev=0&sc=0
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  240. [19:53:47] <rubyruy> peeerfect thanks
  241. [20:00:54] <rubyruy> woop woop and now everything works perfectly
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  243. [20:34:23] <maindrag> how does the higgins project contrast with openID? they seem like the same thing
  244. [20:36:17] <maindrag> I get the whole openID thing... but all this other stuff, CardSpace, Higgins.... I just don't get how they're all supposed to interact... I realize this is a work in progress, but where do I start?
  245. [20:39:46] <don-o> maindrag: start with openid, of course :)
  246. [20:40:07] <don-o> is this the higgins i keep hearing http://www.eclipse.org/higgins/
  247. [20:40:13] <maindrag> yeah
  248. [20:42:15] <maindrag> In February 2006, IBM and Novell announced that they will support the Higgins trust framework to provide a development framework that subsumes a support for the Web Services Protocol Stack underlying CardSpace within a broader, extensible support for diverse other identity-related technologies, such as SAML and OpenID.
  249. [20:42:18] <maindrag> (Note that initial reports in the mainstream media positioning Higgins as a direct competitor for InfoCard [2] were somewhat misconstrued.)
  250. [20:42:29] <maindrag> from wikipedia on CardSPace
  251. [20:42:51] <maindrag> wtf?
  252. [20:43:51] <maindrag> http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/Architecture
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  255. [20:46:01] <maindrag> see, openID makes sense... however, I'm really interested in trust networks... now, it *seems* like there are some technologies being developed to work with openID and some kind of trust network, only it's like I'm reading some freemason or rosicrucian book on alchemy
  256. [20:46:36] <maindrag> everyone just keeps referring to each other in circles :)
  257. [20:46:58] <maindrag> I need hard coded RFC like information on this stuff :)
  258. [20:47:19] <maindrag> at the socket level :)
  259. [20:53:25] <rubyruy> openid is a trust network now?
  260. [20:54:11] <maindrag> nope
  261. [20:54:56] <maindrag> but other technologies that are claiming to be trust networks also claim interoperability with openID, but they don't really get in to any specifics
  262. [20:55:04] <maindrag> so it seems like a bunch of hot air :)
  263. [20:55:51] <maindrag> until there are specifications and support libraries written for actual programming languages or environments, it's just chin music...
  264. [20:56:10] <maindrag> openID is legit and I
  265. [20:56:17] <maindrag> i'm really in to it
  266. [20:56:41] <rubyruy> ohhhkay
  267. [20:57:28] <rubyruy> i have no idea what you are talking about re trust networks and ruby-openid is probably the most robust 3rd party library i've ever used
  268. [20:58:18] <maindrag> yeah, I know, I'm not talking about openIDs libs, they are great, but openID on its own isn't going to mean much to the enterprise world without more layers
  269. [20:59:31] <maindrag> its cool for blogs or whatever, but there are situations where a consumer site is going to need to verify that an openID identity and provider are adhering to more robust levels of authentication
  270. [21:00:07] * rubyruy quietly backs away, gets back to real work
  271. [21:02:14] <maindrag> it's cool if you don't know or care about what I'm talking about, but is there any need for this passive aggression?
  272. [21:04:08] <rubyruy> i'm not - i'm have less time on me atm then this conversation will likely take
  273. [21:04:13] <rubyruy> i suppose it was a bit rude
  274. [21:04:32] <rubyruy> and just fyi i'm not part of the oid cabal and can't speak concretely about it
  275. [21:04:49] <maindrag> hehe, alright, I'm a little bit fired up here as well :)
  276. [21:05:20] <maindrag> digging through all these psuedo-specs is driving me a little bit bonkers
  277. [21:05:49] <rubyruy> have you read... like the real specs?
  278. [21:06:11] <rubyruy> http://openid.net/specs/openid-authentication-1_1.html
  279. [21:06:38] <maindrag> for openID, yeah, and it makes sense, but for these amorphous openID companions, it doesn't seem like there are any real specs
  280. [21:07:40] <maindrag> and ruby-openID i great! they even have an example rails app
  281. [21:20:10] <cygnus> greetings, maindrag
  282. [21:25:31] <_keturn> One of us is going to have to write a technical piece on CardSpace and OpenID soon
  283. [21:45:23] <maindrag> cygnus: hey :) yeah, sorry I'm like freaking out over here
  284. [21:47:24] <cygnus> why?
  285. [21:48:52] <maindrag> why am I sorry? well, I guess it's kind of rude to vent/rant in public... why am I freaking out? I dunno, just trying to figure out how this whole online identity thing is going to work out... but I guess a lot of us are trying to figure that out
  286. [21:49:26] <chowells79> I think the current status is that no one knows how it's going to work out... So relax, you're not alone.
  287. [21:49:29] <chowells79> It's still early.
  288. [21:50:57] <chowells79> If you've got the energy and desire, feel free to try to influence it all. Any single person can still make a real contribution.
  289. [21:51:35] <cygnus> (and, yes, "why" as in "what is there to freak out about?".)
  290. [21:52:10] <maindrag> chowells79: that's a really good point
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