IRC Log for #openid on 2007-03-10
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where's the submit page for the OpenID Site Directory?
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Can one personal webpage delegate to another, which delegates to another, and to another, etc?
- [15:06:23] <punter>
anyone?
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I *have* to use Mongrel in order to use the OpenID Server in Heraldry?
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hi
- [21:53:07] <Leoric>
What is mostly used, dumb or smart authentication?
- [21:53:57] <Leoric>
And what is the security advantages of using the smart(statefull) over the dumb(stateless) mode?
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Leoric: Hans Granqvist argues that stateless mode is easier to perform a MITM attack on, as the attacker may have much more control over the timing of the check_authentication request than the associate request
- [22:03:44] <Leoric>
ahh, ok
- [22:03:51] <Leoric>
I see
- [22:04:11] <keturn>
aside from that, security properties are largely the same, and stateful mode is usually treated as an optimization
- [22:04:29] <Leoric>
Do you know what most sites use? Like livejournal, wikitravel and zoomr
- [22:04:37] <Leoric>
ok
- [22:04:57] <keturn>
since if you have an existing association, you can check the signature on the RP end, and avoid an extra connection.
- [22:06:03] <Leoric>
yea
- [22:06:23] <keturn>
I'm pretty sure LJ and Zooomr use stateful mode, I don't recall about Wikitravel. It's not too hard to check, if you look to see whether the RP includes an assoc handle when it redirects you for the checkid request.
- [22:06:54] <Leoric>
I am looking into using the Net::OpenID::Consumer Perl module, but It doesn't say anything about what modes
- [22:06:55] <Leoric>
ok
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- [22:08:35] <keturn>
I can never remember who has what part of the perl namespace. N::O::C is the implementation by Brad from LJ/SixApart?
- [22:09:42] <Leoric>
yea, him
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http://search.cpan.org/dist/Net-OpenID-Consumer/
- [22:10:46] <keturn>
It's tricky to know what perl implementation to recommend these days. That one hasn't been maintained in quite some time.
- [22:11:58] <keturn>
The Perl one on openidenabled.com (Net::OpenID::JanRain::Consumer, I think?) is more recent, but we haven't had anyone actively working in it lately either
- [22:13:48] <Leoric>
I haven't looked at anything else than the one from Brad, and I saw that there was something available for Catalyst.
- [22:14:01] <keturn>
openid4perl is more recent still, but the last person I heard try that suggested that it was perhaps not ready yet
- [22:14:19] <Leoric>
Ahh, see.
- [22:14:35] <Leoric>
Shouldn't be that much of a problem to switch from one to the other
- [22:15:25] <keturn>
not too much. I mean, the API might be a little different, but the flow is going to work more or less the same, and there aren't all that many entry points.
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- [22:16:49] <keturn>
hmm, the most recent release was quite recent, with patches from Meng Weng Wong. Interesting.
- [22:17:55] <Leoric>
If only I were using Catalyst :)
- [22:19:22] <keturn>
or django, or rails, or... yeah.
- [22:20:27] <Leoric>
Mmmm, Django :) Perl sure feels awkward when you're used to Python
- [22:20:56] <Leoric>
openid4perl id based on the openid2 spec.
- [22:21:38] <Leoric>
which is still a proposed draft
- [22:21:45] <keturn>
yeah, so, why are you working with Perl? :)
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- [22:22:51] <Leoric>
The system I'm working on now is written in Perl, so I don't really have a choice :)
- [22:23:20] <Leoric>
It's fun to hack perl, but it just feels wrong on so many levels
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I would never ever choose Perl for a new project.
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- [22:27:30] <Leoric>
keturn: Thank you very much! I will look into using JanRain lib
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is YADIS used by openid 2.0?
- [22:28:34] <keturn>
don-o: yep
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chowells79 is yet another Janrain idler.
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