IRC Log for #openid on 2007-03-15

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  51. [08:46:58] <m3nt0r> is this normal behaviour or a bug? I am using JanRain Lib / PHP and trying to use SimpleReg. Now when i try to assign signed_args within a successful response, and the sreg fields are missing, i get a failure response with 'No session state found'.
  52. [08:49:56] <m3nt0r> i wonder why an already successful response changes to a failure response only because of the fields missing.. it should stay successful and leave the fields just empty. The requested fields have been set to optional and if a user chooses to not send them it should still work
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  104. [18:34:43] <zzzendotcom> hi. I have a kinda embarrassing question. I'm writing a consumer (in python), and the url that the OpenID server redirects back to after success, has ?openid.assoc_handle=... and similar field names in the url query
  105. [18:35:39] <zzzendotcom> now here's the stupid bit. for some reason, it messes up the system I'm in if there's a dot inside a field name
  106. [18:36:37] <zzzendotcom> I'm trying to patch *them* up as well (plus nudge the mailing list and wiki),
  107. [18:37:21] <zzzendotcom> but maybe there's a way to tell the OpenID server something like nodots=1 :)
  108. [18:38:16] <bricas> what the heck kind of software can't handle query string keys with dots in them? =)
  109. [18:38:18] <zzzendotcom> by them, I mean http://www.object-craft.com.au/projects/albatross/
  110. [18:38:35] <zzzendotcom> I know it's daft
  111. [18:39:19] <bricas> i'd say you best bet is to fix the framework.
  112. [18:39:20] <zzzendotcom> tried to tweak their lib, but tweaked it wrong (long boring story)
  113. [18:39:40] <zzzendotcom> I'll do it again
  114. [18:39:50] <zzzendotcom> thanks for the moral support :)
  115. [18:40:15] <bricas> do they have a ticket tracker?
  116. [18:40:51] <bricas> no self respecting hacker likes open tickets. =)
  117. [18:40:54] <zzzendotcom> wiki an mailing list
  118. [18:41:11] <zzzendotcom> I've hit them both
  119. [18:41:23] <zzzendotcom> http://www.object-craft.com.au/projects/albatross/wiki/UrlQueryParsing
  120. [18:41:29] <bricas> http://www.object-craft.com.au/projects/albatross/wiki/BugList
  121. [18:41:59] <bricas> oh crickey, it doesn't support unicode -- quick, run away. heh.
  122. [18:42:12] <zzzendotcom> it supports utf-8 :)
  123. [18:42:57] <zzzendotcom> I'm a bit of an international. Israeli in Thailand, so I even know bidi grief
  124. [18:43:13] <bricas> just reading the items in the bug list (http://www.object-craft.com.au/projects/albatross/wiki/BugList#head-808582b19428435b554db9016bd1963be3d97640)...
  125. [18:43:46] * zzzendotcom reads
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  127. [18:44:07] <zzzendotcom> "Note that, at least partially, you can get away with encoding text as utf-8 prior to sending it to albatross, and a number of applications are exploiting this in production. The above refers to end-to-end unicode support."
  128. [18:44:36] <bricas> well, whatever. not my problem :)
  129. [18:45:08] <zzzendotcom> I've been doing english/hebrew/arab sites like http://gush-shalom.org and "supports utf-8" is fine with me :)
  130. [18:45:52] <zzzendotcom> but they *should* have a way to get a dot inside a field name, or I want my money back :)
  131. [18:46:45] <cygnus> yikes.
  132. [18:47:14] <cygnus> Strangely, OpenID integration often reveals problems in software.. :)
  133. [18:48:01] <GabeWE61> Any python problems?
  134. [18:48:55] <zzzendotcom> in a way, but they're inside a library I'm trying
  135. [18:49:06] <zzzendotcom> http://jyte.com/cl/daylight-is-the-best-disinfectant-in-many-cases-but-you-shouldnt-use-it-on-internal-organs
  136. [18:49:21] <zzzendotcom> oops. wrong link, but slightly relevant
  137. [18:49:29] <GabeWE61> Funny
  138. [18:49:43] <zzzendotcom> http://www.object-craft.com.au/projects/albatross/wiki/UrlQueryParsing
  139. [18:50:09] <zzzendotcom> but it has a "somebody else's problem" field around it
  140. [18:50:21] <zzzendotcom> it's a problem that only I can see :)
  141. [18:50:50] <GabeWE61> I find a lot of developers dont bother to read specs they are implemening and just work off examples
  142. [18:51:29] <GabeWE61> So if you are weriting specs, make sure your examples are as fully illustrative as you can makew them
  143. [18:52:46] <GabeWE61> Im typing on a phone through a plastic cover.
  144. [18:52:50] <zzzendotcom> it's not the example itself that matters. I'm just using it to demonstrate a bug (on doing it on *their* server has style)
  145. [18:53:49] <zzzendotcom> s/(on/(and/
  146. [18:54:06] <zzzendotcom> anyway, back to patching up their library
  147. [18:54:07] <GabeWE61> My irc cloent is a bit lame.. Doesn't let me click on links.
  148. [18:54:54] <zzzendotcom> nevermind. I guess I should go shopping for some other framework at sourceforge :)
  149. [18:55:06] <GabeWE61> Au revoir
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  154. [19:03:44] <GabeWE61> Cygnus: i hear a new python openid lib is coming today!!! ;-)
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  156. [19:07:15] * keturn wonders what that was about
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  158. [19:09:46] <GabeWE61> Keturn: cygnus was saying something about a new relese but not comitting to it
  159. [19:09:51] <GabeWE61> In the logs
  160. [19:11:46] <GabeWE61> Which dont seem to be lnked from openid.net or the openid wiki anymore...
  161. [19:12:10] <GabeWE61> Someone who is on a normal machine should fix that
  162. [19:12:24] <keturn> oh, I wondered if perhaps I had managed to package a release in my sleep without noticing
  163. [19:12:48] <GabeWE61> We forked while you were asleep
  164. [19:13:12] <keturn> that explains why my sleep has been so weird lately :-/ identity hackers forking me
  165. [19:17:29] <GabeWE61> I meant your@ code not you
  166. [19:18:24] <GabeWE61> I understand sometimes its hard to separate yourself from your code...
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  178. [20:08:44] <dmb> heya
  179. [20:08:58] <dmb> is there a list of identity providers somewhere?
  180. [20:09:30] <dmb> is there a big identity provider yet?
  181. [20:13:45] <cygnus> define "big".
  182. [20:13:58] <cygnus> and by the way, Gabe*, I was talking about *PHP*.
  183. [20:13:59] <cygnus> gah.
  184. [20:14:22] <dmb> like, is there any large identity providers
  185. [20:15:55] <cygnus> assuming a liberal definition of "large", I can list openid.aol.com, www.myopenid.com, and pip.verisignlabs.com
  186. [20:16:51] <dmb> oh
  187. [20:16:59] <dmb> interesting
  188. [20:17:12] <dmb> it looks like this project is being supported well by big companies
  189. [20:18:24] <cygnus> I can't speak for everyone in the channel, but lots of OpenID software developers and other folks lurk here.
  190. [20:18:27] <cygnus> fyi.
  191. [20:19:22] <dmb> cool
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  193. [20:19:42] <dmb> are the wordpress devs thinking of supporting openid?
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  195. [20:19:50] <dmb> how about phpbb folks?
  196. [20:20:01] <cygnus> in what sense? in individual wordpress installs, or on wordpress.com?
  197. [20:20:19] <cygnus> phpbb already supports it to some degree
  198. [20:21:27] <dmb> cygnus: individual installs
  199. [20:21:40] <dmb> so when you want to post a comment, you just give the uri
  200. [20:21:49] <cygnus> dmb: unknown (to me) whether official support is planned
  201. [20:21:57] <cygnus> dmb: there are various plugins that implement it, however.
  202. [20:22:04] <dmb> oh
  203. [20:22:27] <dmb> small question, everyone that has an aol screen name also has an openid?
  204. [20:22:34] <cygnus> yes
  205. [20:22:45] <dmb> interesting
  206. [20:22:51] <dmb> i suppose google may do that eventually
  207. [20:23:03] <cygnus> I personally doubt it.
  208. [20:23:24] <dmb> why?
  209. [20:24:50] <cygnus> As a server, I suppose there's a slight chance, but it's hard to say. As a consumer, it's probably not going to happen because they probably want service lock-in.
  210. [20:25:04] <dmb> true
  211. [20:25:12] <dmb> but i thought microsoft would want the same
  212. [20:25:18] <dmb> and they seem to be trying to support it
  213. [20:25:26] <cygnus> well, Microsoft is in an entirely different position.
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  215. [20:25:47] <cygnus> Microsoft has tried at SSO and virtually failed.
  216. [20:26:05] <cygnus> I would not put "failure" on Google's list of accomplishments quite yet, although that does not preclude them from getting interested in a more open SSO solution.
  217. [20:29:53] <dmb> oh
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  220. [20:31:15] <cygnus> (although Microsoft is not abandoning their own efforts by any means.)
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  226. [20:32:52] <dmb> there '.net' centralized thing was the thing that failed?
  227. [20:33:06] <cygnus> no, Passport
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  229. [20:33:14] <dmb> .net passport :)
  230. [20:33:23] <dmb> didn't ebay use that at one point?
  231. [20:33:25] <cygnus> well, Passport existed before .net
  232. [20:33:35] <cygnus> I don't konw
  233. [20:33:38] <cygnus> know, either
  234. [20:33:47] <dmb> oh
  235. [20:34:40] <cygnus> hm, I think I'm wrong: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Passport_Network
  236. [20:36:48] <gregh_> http://web.archive.org/web/19991012193939/http://passport.com/ is the earliest I see
  237. [20:37:00] <gregh_> that was before the .NET unveiling (which was at the 2000 PDC)
  238. [20:37:01] <dmb> oh
  239. [20:37:11] <dmb> i think it was originally called passport
  240. [20:37:17] <dmb> then they changed it to .net passwort
  241. [20:37:21] <dmb> then to whatever it is now
  242. [20:37:24] <gregh_> yeah
  243. [20:37:59] * gregh_ is now known as gregh
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  245. [21:06:08] <PatF> it appears they have abandoned passport for CardSpace
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  256. [22:54:36] <whafro> has anyone had trouble using JanRain's standalone php server to claim a blog on technorati?
  257. [23:01:30] <cygnus> whafro: what's the specific issue?
  258. [23:02:26] <whafro> I was clicking on the "claim this via openid" link at technorati, and I was being shot to my openid server's front page (with lots of seemingly-nonaffectual url parameters)... I wasn't being prompted to login, allow technorati, etc...
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  263. [23:23:13] <_keturn> does your blog's openid.server point to the server front page instead of endpoint URL?
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