IRC Log for #openid on 2007-04-26

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  14. [03:09:34] <quellhorst> paulproteus: the pip needs a rewrite i believe.
  15. [03:13:40] <paulproteus> _keturn, quellhorst, well, let me just say in general, without bias, I want a little OpenID server to use as the basis for authenticating people on other web sercices I run.
  16. [03:13:45] <paulproteus> What do you (all) recommend?
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  18. [03:15:01] <keturn> well, my biased answer is to suggest delegating to a third party OpenID provider
  19. [03:15:27] <quellhorst> paulproteus: how many users?
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  30. [06:49:45] <marcusramberg> anyone have an idea what kind of problem could cause a redirect loop?
  31. [06:51:08] <marcusramberg> http://nopaste.snit.ch:8001/10035
  32. [06:51:25] <marcusramberg> this is the response I get from claimid, any my system's redirect
  33. [06:51:43] <marcusramberg> no error messages :-/
  34. [06:53:32] <marcusramberg> claimid also did not ask me to log in, which it did when I tested on another site afterwards
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  42. [09:53:54] <rgl> hi
  43. [09:56:34] <rgl> its normal for the janrain php libs to read stuff from comments? like, I've commented the <meta http-equiv="X-XRDS-Location"...> but it still sees it.
  44. [09:57:10] <rgl> though, the <link red="openid...."> are correctly ignored.
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  49. [11:41:12] <idnar> <meta http-equiv> is black magic :/
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  54. [12:11:00] <rgl> idnar, what you mean? :D
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  61. [12:54:31] <idnar> rgl: in order for it to work properly, HTTP user agents have to be capable of parsing HTML, and be able to autodetect when they might have received HTML content that might have <meta http-equiv> tags in it
  62. [12:54:45] <idnar> rgl: usually the implementation thereof is fairly haphazard, because of the complexity involved
  63. [12:55:05] <idnar> sending real HTTP headers is a much better solution, if at all possible
  64. [12:56:01] <Almad> keturn: how does it look with python-openid patch?
  65. [12:57:28] <rgl> idnar, humm, but the janrain "open id user agent" can already detect HTML comments (for the <link>), why can it do the same for the <meta> elements?
  66. [12:58:07] <idnar> rgl: different parsing mechanism, perhaps; I'm not sure
  67. [12:58:19] <idnar> I've just avoided X-XRDS-Location entirely
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  69. [12:59:09] <rgl> idnar, ah ok.
  70. [12:59:40] <rgl> idnar, I see no use for the XRDS as of now too. I'll remove too. :D
  71. [13:00:14] <idnar> I'm using XRDS, just not via that header
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  84. [14:40:10] <Almad> _keturn: sorry to disurb again, but is there any prediction where should fix for python-openid rc 2 will come? Just what I can say to my users...
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  92. [15:46:22] <keturn> Almad: you can test out this patch: http://kevin.janrain.com/python-openid-rc3.diff
  93. [15:47:13] <Almad> keturn: ty, i'll try it in half an hour
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  104. [17:56:55] <chowells79> rgl, are you sure the library is actually reading the <meta> tag out of comments?
  105. [17:57:18] <rgl> chowells79, humm, yeah. thats the only thing I've commented.
  106. [17:57:27] <rgl> chowells79, try it here: http://ruilopes.com
  107. [17:57:43] <rgl> chowells79, I mean. thats my identifier.
  108. [17:57:45] <chowells79> Is it possible your server software is doing it instead, and producing the X-XRDS-Location http header, which is what the library is actually reading?
  109. [17:57:59] <rgl> chowells79, oh, maybe. lemme check :D
  110. [17:58:18] <rgl> chowells79, but I don't so. AFIKT apache doesn't sniff HTML,
  111. [17:58:32] <chowells79> Yeah, look like that's not it.
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  113. [18:01:34] <chowells79> Well, in that case.. It's easily the case that there's a bug in the parsing code in PHP. Wouldn't be the first time. :)
  114. [18:01:37] <rgl> chowells79, can you try to login using ruilopes.com as an identifier? you'll see that it goes to myopenid.com and not my idp.
  115. [18:01:51] <chowells79> Err... Easily possible
  116. [18:02:03] <rgl> chowells79, (I've removed the "x" from the <meta> value on my index.html.
  117. [18:02:50] <Almad> keturn: hmm, please, is anywhere tgz of rc3? patch seems to be incompatible with my patch :]
  118. [18:03:15] <chowells79> Hmm. I'm seeing it go to your provider...
  119. [18:03:33] <chowells79> Oh, wait. That consumer might not be using our libs. haha.
  120. [18:03:44] <Almad> (going to test it right now)
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  123. [18:04:22] <chowells79> Hmm. I need to pay better attention to what window has focus.
  124. [18:05:02] <chowells79> And that tested the ruby libraries.
  125. [18:05:15] <chowells79> Uhh.. What's a site that uses our PHP libraries?
  126. [18:06:13] <rgl> chowells79, http://moodle.ruilopes.com/ or http://wordpress.ruilopes.com/
  127. [18:06:56] <chowells79> Yeah, seems likely to be a PHP bug.
  128. [18:07:44] <chowells79> (well, php openid library bug. just to be specific)
  129. [18:08:12] <rgl> chowells79, the moodle link, uses PHP-openid-1.2.2.
  130. [18:08:33] <rgl> chowells79, should I open a bug report?
  131. [18:09:04] <rgl> chowells79, (i don't want to look at PHP-openid source code at this point)
  132. [18:09:18] <rgl> chowells79, (so, I can't try to fix it. sorry)
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  134. [18:11:32] <cygnu1> rgl: hi
  135. [18:11:38] <cygnu1> rgl: what version of the PHP lib are you using?
  136. [18:11:55] <rgl> cygnu1, hey :)
  137. [18:11:59] <rgl> cygnu1, PHP-openid-1.2.2
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  149. [18:41:39] <rgl> cygnus, ping :D
  150. [18:42:41] <cygnus> rgl: I have a fix
  151. [18:42:49] <cygnus> rgl: I'm moving to a place where you can get it. :)
  152. [18:44:38] <rgl> cygnus, oh, don't bother making just a fix for me (I mean, please do commit it to the repo, but no need to make a tarball for me :D). I can work arround it, because I don't need that functionality (in future I will ;)
  153. [18:46:41] <cygnus> well, it's still a bug :)
  154. [18:47:14] <cygnus> alright, to get the change, run this command:
  155. [18:47:19] <cygnus> darcs get http://www.openidenabled.com/resources/repos/php/openid/ --tag=1.2.3
  156. [18:47:44] <rgl> no thx :)
  157. [18:47:55] <rgl> I don't have darcs :D
  158. [18:48:02] <cygnus> ah.
  159. [18:48:28] <rgl> Its OK for me that you've fixed it in the repository :)
  160. [18:48:35] <cygnus> cool.
  161. [18:48:41] <cygnus> thanks for letting us know.
  162. [18:48:55] <rgl> can I see the change log online?
  163. [18:49:00] <rgl> ah no problem :D
  164. [18:49:33] <cygnus> http://tinyurl.com/2dsf3f
  165. [18:49:51] <rgl> with mercurial or subversion/trac I can see it, but how about darcs? (sorry, maybe I should just google this hehe)
  166. [18:50:18] <rgl> ah cool :D
  167. [18:50:45] <cygnus> in particular, http://tinyurl.com/26bekn
  168. [19:03:34] <rgl> cool, there is an OpenID module for trac! :)
  169. [19:03:57] <rgl> cygnus, you've made it? :D
  170. [19:05:41] <rgl> oh, I'm blind. its at the botton of http://www.trac-hacks.org/wiki/OpenidPlugin :)
  171. [19:06:15] <rgl> thx for making it possible cygnus ! I'll try it someday :)
  172. [19:07:51] <cygnus> cool. :)
  173. [19:07:56] <cygnus> I didn't write all of it; I just maintain it nowadays
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  175. [19:18:06] <Almad> keturn: it works
  176. [19:18:55] <Almad> it won't work at http://drakkar.rpgplanet.cz/wp-login.php, but I guess it's their problem as I can log on on my wp blog with plugin
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  185. [20:58:56] <tomize> is there a trust type layer for openid in the works?
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  197. [23:32:31] <rgl> tomize, what do you mean?
  198. [23:33:30] <tomize> rgl, having an openid doesn't seem to prove who you are, so spammers can create 10000s of openid accounts and go comment spamming
  199. [23:34:16] <rgl> tomize, ah I see what you mean. I don't known. I would be interested too.
  200. [23:34:17] <tomize> rgl, I mean like some way of asserting your personal certificate from verisign or your isp or similar
  201. [23:34:25] <tomize> yep :)
  202. [23:35:01] <rgl> I think that would be interesting to integrate openid with cardspaces.
  203. [23:37:11] <_keturn> you can ask botbouncer.com if the openid has passed a simple captca
  204. [23:41:12] <rgl> no one can write that word right :D
  205. [23:42:32] <tomize> hmm, this is getting too confusing
  206. [23:42:55] <tomize> to login to a site you need an ID on another site, and another site checks if you're a robot or not
  207. [23:43:18] <cygnus> tomize: well, that's sorta what you get unless you want more centralization.
  208. [23:45:28] <tomize> I'd like all my auth to be based off my international bank account number, issued by my bank somehow
  209. [23:46:31] <tomize> you're backed by a big reputable institution who already does lots of ID checks on you
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  211. [23:46:41] <rgl> gtg. g'night.
  212. [23:46:46] <tomize> bye :)
  213. [23:47:17] * rgl (n=Rui@84.90.10.107) Quit ("Leaving")
  214. [23:54:08] * elliottcable is now known as [e]afk

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