IRC Log for #openid on 2007-05-03

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  8. [01:37:16] <Cody`macbook> what happened to idcast?
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  28. [07:39:57] <jibot> KevinMarks is a writer of code, limericks, weblogs
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  73. [16:47:35] <jibot> cygnus is WorkerBee(name="Jonathan Daugherty", company="JanRain, Inc.")
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  94. [18:59:15] <dazjorz> Hi
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  96. [18:59:53] <dazjorz> I own the domain name http://dazjorz.com, and one of my users, http://vmlemon.dazjorz.com/, suggested I could run an OpenID server...
  97. [19:00:07] * vmlemon (n=vmlemon@unaffiliated/vmlemon) has joined #openid
  98. [19:00:10] <vmlemon> Hi
  99. [19:00:25] <dazjorz> However, on www.openidenabled.com I can't find any OpenID server, is this normal?
  100. [19:00:34] <vmlemon> I've got the URL for it
  101. [19:00:37] <vmlemon> I think
  102. [19:00:39] <dazjorz> do I misunderstand something?
  103. [19:00:40] <dazjorz> okay
  104. [19:02:18] <cygnus> dazjorz: you could run a server, but it's likely unnecessary
  105. [19:02:38] <cygnus> vmlemon.dazjorz.com could just delegate to another service.
  106. [19:02:39] <vmlemon> dazjorz: It's at http://www.openidenabled.com/openid/php-standalone-openid-server/
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  108. [19:03:13] <dazjorz> cygnus: I see... Well, I like the idea of OpenID itself, and I don't mind running an extra service instead of delegating it on to something else
  109. [19:03:38] <vmlemon> As far as I know, everything is already installed ready for it on your server (including Smarty and PEAR library)
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  111. [19:04:08] <cygnus> dazjorz: it's true that it doesn't take much to run a service, but some preexisting services are more secure and reliable, and delegation *is* easier than running your own
  112. [19:04:57] <dazjorz> cygnus: I don't mind about something being easier, I need something to spend my time on ;)
  113. [19:05:15] <dazjorz> cygnus: But security and reliability is kind of important to me
  114. [19:05:22] <dazjorz> I'd like to experiment with the thing myself, too
  115. [19:05:39] <terrell> go with delegation first
  116. [19:05:40] <dazjorz> Do I need to make an extra subdomain, like openid.dazjorz.com, for it?
  117. [19:05:43] <vmlemon> All I was missing was a rewrite rule in the webserver config to make it run
  118. [19:05:45] <vmlemon> dazjorz: No
  119. [19:05:48] <dazjorz> vmlemon: What do you think?
  120. [19:05:51] <dazjorz> Delegation?
  121. [19:06:03] <vmlemon> I'd go the server route, personally, but it's your choice
  122. [19:06:09] <vmlemon> Plus it's something to work on
  123. [19:06:13] <dazjorz> Well, indeed
  124. [19:06:18] <dazjorz> usually I just try things out myself
  125. [19:06:24] <vmlemon> Same here
  126. [19:06:30] <dazjorz> I'll see if they fail or not, if they fail, I just try again until they succeed
  127. [19:06:35] <dazjorz> it's the only way things really work for me
  128. [19:06:49] <dazjorz> but if #openid strongly suggests me to do a delegation first..
  129. [19:06:52] <terrell> delegation - so you can login with your subdomain url - but without handling all the security/privacy/service issues of running your own server
  130. [19:07:05] <vmlemon> RewriteRule /user/([^/]+)$ /server/?user=$1 [PT] would need translating to work with lighttpd
  131. [19:07:05] <dazjorz> I mean, there's no danger in doing it myself, right?
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  133. [19:07:09] <vmlemon> No
  134. [19:07:12] <terrell> just saying you get all the benefits of openid with delegation without running/installing a bunch of stuff
  135. [19:07:22] <dazjorz> terrell: I don't mind installing or configuring
  136. [19:07:24] <vmlemon> You could hammer it into Login, if you really wanted to
  137. [19:07:24] <dazjorz> at all
  138. [19:07:37] <terrell> so convince yourself it's worth it first - with delegation
  139. [19:07:38] <terrell> that's all
  140. [19:07:43] <terrell> then... run your own
  141. [19:07:45] <terrell> if you choose
  142. [19:07:51] <dazjorz> terrell: Oh, I don't mind about things being worth it ;)
  143. [19:08:03] <dazjorz> I just like working with these things, wether it's worth it or not
  144. [19:08:15] <vmlemon> You're 90% there, configuration wise
  145. [19:08:32] <dazjorz> I spend more time working on my IRC bot than on real useful things, so...
  146. [19:08:56] <vmlemon> The groundwork is in, and you'd just need to make a working rewrite rule, and everything's good
  147. [19:09:00] <terrell> wait, you're a bot?! :)
  148. [19:09:04] <dazjorz> heh
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  150. [19:09:18] <DaZeus> Yeah, I am
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  152. [19:09:24] <dazjorz> ;)
  153. [19:09:52] <vmlemon> I have a semi-installation at http://house404.co.uk/oidserver/ that doesn't have a critical bit configured in the lighttpd config file to work fully
  154. [19:10:20] <vmlemon> (By semi installation, I mean that it's fully functional, apart from accounts not working for some reason)
  155. [19:10:53] <vmlemon> It is fully configured, however
  156. [19:11:03] <cygnus> looks like your database configuration is broken
  157. [19:16:39] <vmlemon> Can I specify a DB prefix?
  158. [19:16:47] <vmlemon> Since I can now only use one DB
  159. [19:17:43] <vmlemon> Oh, I can specify the names
  160. [19:18:18] <vmlemon> Hmm, doesn't look likely
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  162. [19:32:28] <cygnus> "db prefix"?
  163. [19:33:27] <vmlemon> to allow for say oid_sites for OpenID and sites another script in the same database
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  165. [19:35:12] <cygnus> no, that's not possible without changes
  166. [19:35:18] <vmlemon> OK
  167. [19:35:27] <cygnus> the primary reason being that the database for this app should probably not be shared
  168. [19:35:33] <cygnus> and therefore the table names are in one namespace.
  169. [19:38:27] <cygnus> but at any rate, I'm happy to consider patches to the code that support new features.
  170. [19:38:37] <cygnus> if you're interested in patching it, feel free. send patches to the dev list.
  171. [19:39:57] <cygnus> and if you patch it, please use the darcs repo, http://www.openidenabled.com/resources/repos/php/phpserver/
  172. [19:40:25] <cygnus> I should teach jibot to say all that stuff
  173. [19:40:37] <cygnus> who here knows about jibot?
  174. [19:40:46] <dazjorz> hm?
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  176. [19:40:55] <dazjorz> If you want, I can let dazeus stay here
  177. [19:41:00] <dazjorz> he has some very handy features :)
  178. [19:41:14] <cygnus> well, jibot has been here long enough that some other people know how to use it
  179. [19:41:27] <dazjorz> }learn openid is [insert here]
  180. [19:41:28] <DaZeus> Ok, learned openid.
  181. [19:41:29] <dazjorz> }forget openid
  182. [19:41:31] <DaZeus> Ok, forgot about openid.
  183. [19:41:32] <dazjorz> could you make it please?
  184. [19:41:55] <cygnus> are there docs somewhere on how the bot is used?
  185. [19:42:13] <cygnus> jibot: ping?
  186. [19:42:17] <dazjorz> DaZeus ?
  187. [19:42:20] <dazjorz> oh
  188. [19:42:21] <dazjorz> }ping
  189. [19:42:22] <DaZeus> Pong!
  190. [19:42:22] <dazjorz> :P
  191. [19:42:43] <dazjorz> }leave
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  193. [19:42:59] <dazjorz> If you'd like him to be here, just tell me :)
  194. [19:43:12] <cygnus> alright
  195. [19:43:25] <cygnus> I just want a bot that lets me preload it with keyword-triggered information, like the bot in #postgresql
  196. [19:43:38] <GabeW> jibot is more about identifying people
  197. [19:43:41] <cygnus> not just the "x is y"-style information
  198. [19:43:52] <GabeW> ?def cygnus
  199. [19:43:52] <jibot> cygnus is WorkerBee(name="Jonathan Daugherty", company="JanRain, Inc.")
  200. [19:43:57] <GabeW> ?def dazjorz
  201. [19:43:57] <jibot> Nobody has defined dazjorz yet
  202. [19:44:10] <GabeW> and its on a number of channels where interested people hangout
  203. [19:44:27] <GabeW> so its nice to have jibot because it gives context across channels
  204. [19:44:54] <dazjorz> It automatically adds keywords?
  205. [19:45:04] <dazjorz> dazjorz is incredibly cool, did you know that?
  206. [19:45:05] <dazjorz> ?def dazjorz
  207. [19:45:06] <jibot> Nobody has defined dazjorz yet
  208. [19:45:09] <dazjorz> hm >:(
  209. [19:45:17] <cygnus> I think you want ?learn
  210. [19:45:25] <cygnus> ahhhh, IRC bot diversity.
  211. [19:45:28] <GabeW> ?learn dazjorz is incredibly cool
  212. [19:45:29] <jibot> dazjorz is incredibly cool
  213. [19:45:37] <dazjorz> heh
  214. [19:45:40] <dazjorz> :)
  215. [19:45:43] <dazjorz> thanks
  216. [19:45:44] <GabeW> ?def dajjorz
  217. [19:45:45] <jibot> Nobody has defined dajjorz yet
  218. [19:45:47] <GabeW> ?def dajorz
  219. [19:45:47] <jibot> Nobody has defined dajorz yet
  220. [19:45:51] <dazjorz> :P
  221. [19:45:52] <GabeW> ?def dazjorz
  222. [19:45:53] <jibot> dazjorz is incredibly cool
  223. [19:45:58] <dazjorz> jibot: well thank you
  224. [19:46:04] <dazjorz> ?moo
  225. [19:46:05] <dazjorz> :(
  226. [19:46:07] <dazjorz> ?ping
  227. [19:46:11] <dazjorz> bah :P
  228. [19:46:17] <vmlemon> Inspiration just struck ;)
  229. [19:46:21] <cygnus> every bot is stupid in its own way(s). :)
  230. [19:46:23] <dazjorz> is it OK if I let dazeus stay in here?
  231. [19:46:27] <cygnus> sure
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  233. [19:46:36] <dazjorz> }resolve6 dazjorz.com
  234. [19:46:36] <GabeW> the one nice thing is that the archive we have going knows about jibot
  235. [19:46:37] <DaZeus> Lookup of dazjorz.com: 2001:610:600:3a7::2 (AAAA)
  236. [19:46:40] <dazjorz> he has these kinds of things :)
  237. [19:46:44] <GabeW> and will let you turn off jibot lines in the archive
  238. [19:46:50] <cygnus> GabeW: cool
  239. [19:46:56] <dazjorz> GabeW: How turn off?
  240. [19:47:02] <GabeW> using CSS
  241. [19:47:07] <GabeW> and javascript
  242. [19:47:14] <dazjorz> That seems like an odd way to do it
  243. [19:47:22] <dazjorz> :)
  244. [19:47:25] <GabeW> it works well
  245. [19:47:31] <GabeW> just take a look
  246. [19:47:34] <GabeW> (url in topic)
  247. [19:47:34] <dazjorz> Oh, by the way, I'll ask here right away, while I'm at it
  248. [19:47:43] <dazjorz> for a channel bot, what features would you like at least?
  249. [19:47:55] <GabeW> i like phenny
  250. [19:48:03] <dazjorz> doesn't necessarily have to be about an #openid channelbot, but any suggestion is very welcome :)
  251. [19:48:11] <GabeW> i wish phenny was here
  252. [19:48:17] <dazjorz> what does phenny do?
  253. [19:48:21] <GabeW> phenny is in (among other places), #joiito
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  255. [20:00:03] <jibot> brylie is awesome
  256. [20:02:46] <GabeW> yah
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  260. [20:24:27] <dazjorz> Bah
  261. [20:24:27] <dazjorz> I'm failing to make a symlink as another user
  262. [20:24:52] <dazjorz> oh, doh
  263. [20:24:57] <dazjorz> su userid ln -s ...
  264. [20:25:04] <dazjorz> should have been: sudo -u userid ln -s ...
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  271. [20:58:42] <jibot> brianellin is an engineer at JanRain
  272. [20:59:53] <brianellin> ?forgetme
  273. [20:59:54] <jibot> I have expunged brianellin from my mind
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  278. [21:31:19] <jibot> chowells79 is yet another Janrain idler.
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  285. [22:02:45] <jibot> AaronF is a troll
  286. [22:03:51] <AaronF> ?kearn AaronF is an industrious troll.
  287. [22:03:55] <AaronF> ?learn AaronF is an industrious troll.
  288. [22:03:55] <jibot> AaronF is a troll and an industrious troll.
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