IRC Log for #openid on 2007-05-11
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chowells79 is yet another Janrain idler.
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cygnus is WorkerBee(name="Jonathan Daugherty", company="JanRain, Inc.")
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- [17:20:24] <jibot>
AaronF is a troll and an industrious troll.
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- [18:20:25] <AaronF_>
?forgetme
- [18:20:31] <AaronF_>
?Aaron is nobody.
- [18:20:38] <AaronF_>
?learn AaronF is nobody.
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- [18:21:21] <AaronF>
?AaronF
- [18:32:11] <GabeW>
jibot is apparently dead
- [18:36:18] <pisi>
connection refused.
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- [21:36:51] <GabeW>
?def mmealling
- [21:36:51] <jibot>
mmealling is Michael Mealling. He lives in Atlanta, GA & is the VP of Business Development for Masten Space Systems (masten-space.com) which is a Santa Clara based VTVL suborbital rocket company. In his spare time he also runs an RFID & supply chain consulting company for small businesses. He blogs at rocketforge.org, neonym.net & flickr.com/photos/mmealling. & a ROCKETMAAAAAN & has a military-industrial complex
- [21:39:20] <cygnus>
hmm, Gaim's not so good about remembering who I want to ignore on IRC.
- [21:39:35] * cygnus /ignores GabeW again
- [21:39:38] <cygnus>
oh, wait
- [21:39:41] <cygnus>
I mean jibot. :-D
- [21:39:48] <cygnus>
(or is jibot GabeW?)
- [21:41:34] <keturn>
perhaps at least one of them will be at IIW
- [21:44:43] <GabeW>
i will
- [21:44:51] <GabeW>
hehe
- [21:48:05] <keturn>
anyone happen to know of an OP running openid4java online anywhere?
- [21:48:17] <keturn>
on ssl?
- [21:48:42] <GabeW>
ooh
- [21:48:44] <GabeW>
hmm
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- [21:55:49] <keturn>
where's that jkf fellow
- [21:59:17] <chowells79>
I thought you said jfk for a second... I was going to point out that he died quite some time ago.
- [22:00:38] <keturn>
doesn't mean he can't IRC, does it?
- [22:01:06] <chowells79>
Well. Maybe?
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- [22:49:02] <benbangert>
I don't suppose anyone know about the progress of OpenID 2.0 implementations for Java, Perl, and Ruby?
- [22:50:00] <keturn>
there are two or three active Java implementations right now
- [22:51:54] <keturn>
we've got updating our Ruby implementation on the schedule at JanRain, but we need to wrap up some other projects before we'll have the resources to finish that
- [22:53:08] <keturn>
I haven't heard good things about perl lately. There's an openid4perl project on google code provided by Sxip, but it seems somewhat stalled at the moment.
- [22:54:08] <benbangert>
ahh, cool, thanks
- [22:54:40] <benbangert>
and I assume I can use the Python OpenID 2.0 Janrain implementation to do attribute exchange? (as it piggybacks on openid extensions)
- [22:54:54] <benbangert>
just making sure I'm reading the specs right ;)
- [22:56:13] <keturn>
yeah. j3h has actually been working on some code for that. You won't find it in the release, but you can pull it from our darcs repository.
- [22:56:33] <benbangert>
ah, so there's new code to make that easier?
- [22:57:05] <benbangert>
it seemed like it was pretty easy to use the additional extensions through the API
- [22:59:45] <keturn>
see http://xrl.us/wbvn
- [23:01:16] <benbangert>
ahhh, sweet, thanks
- [23:01:57] <benbangert>
Is it generally thought that a user should be able to see or modify attributes stored for them by RP's at their IdP?
- [23:08:11] <keturn>
I'd expect to at least be able to see what's stored there, yeah.
- [23:08:51] <keturn>
modifying may depend on the application. That is, most users don't want to deal with a bunch of pairs of URIs and text fields,
- [23:09:26] <keturn>
but your provider might not have a UI available that understands what all those attributes are and how to best present them
- [23:10:16] <benbangert>
I'm looking at writing such a provider... trying to see how to generate a UI given the attributes that makes sense
- [23:27:59] <benbangert>
keturn: if someone has multiple OP's set in their YADIS file, how does a RP know which one has the attributes it wants? Does it need to query all the OP's for them?
- [23:30:39] <cygnus>
that question makes cygnus's head hurt
- [23:31:10] <benbangert>
Is it because I'm missing something in the specs, or does the answer not exist at the moment?
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- [23:32:35] <cygnus>
benbangert: more the latter, at least for me
- [23:33:06] <cygnus>
benbangert: that, and, well, I would say, "Don't select OPs based on attributes. Select OPs based on services provided."
- [23:34:30] <benbangert>
hmmm, seems like it'll cause a user experience problem though
- [23:34:43] <cygnus>
well, yeah
- [23:34:52] <cygnus>
if you have your attributes stored in different places and to varying degrees, that's a problem
- [23:34:53] <benbangert>
if a user changes the priority of their authentication in their YADIS doc to favor a new OP they just got, how would they know to duplicate their attributes...
- [23:49:31] <keturn>
which, I suppose, makes "export all attributes to other OP" a nice bit of functionality to have on your OP
- [23:49:49] <keturn>
(and one you would hesitate to implement if you were evil and trying to lock in users.)
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