IRC Log for #openid on 2007-05-13

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  9. [02:01:53] <GabeW> ?
  10. [02:06:52] <keturn_> hallo from BarCampPortland
  11. [02:10:39] <GabeW> is it over?
  12. [02:15:36] <keturn_> nah, we're scheduled for another ... four hours, almost?
  13. [02:15:53] <GabeW> but its just one day?
  14. [02:20:28] <keturn_> Friday evening plus all Saturday
  15. [02:22:19] <keturn_> it's been a fun opening party for Pibb
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  21. [03:01:48] <IamEthos> hello!
  22. [03:02:25] <IamEthos> have you guys put any thought into destroying spam on the internet?
  23. [03:02:46] <IamEthos> because if OpenID takes off, you'd be in a great position to do so?
  24. [03:04:25] <IamEthos> imagine this: every time a site requests an email address, a user-service-randomid@openidprovider email address is generated, like iamethos-ebay-23943899@myopenid.org or something along those lines
  25. [03:04:51] <IamEthos> these auto-generated email addresses are just forwarded to the users real address
  26. [03:05:27] <IamEthos> if a user starts getting spam, first, they know who it was from based on the address that the email was initially sent to
  27. [03:06:18] <IamEthos> second, they can stop the spam by simply ending the relationship with that company, which just deletes the email address from the openID server altogether
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  36. [03:07:49] <IamEthos> or regenerating the random id for the address, which would have the benefit of allowing the relationship with the company to continue, but forcing the company to redistribute the address to third parties for spam to continue
  37. [03:08:31] <IamEthos> eventually, with things like this going on, effective spamming would be very difficult and time consuming
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  88. [03:56:43] <jibot> brylie is awesome
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  91. [04:25:03] <jibot> chowells79 is yet another Janrain idler.
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  118. [16:45:53] <VxJasonxV> IamEthos, OpenID does not need a dependency on an e-mail server
  119. [16:45:59] <VxJasonxV> also, OpenID is not a way to stop spam
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  123. [17:32:21] <idnar> IamEthos: I think you're missing something important, too
  124. [17:32:29] <idnar> IamEthos: spammers don't care if anyone reads their spam
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  126. [17:50:09] <pisi> idnar: no ? What do they care for then ?
  127. [17:50:26] <idnar> they care that their clients think the spam is doing them some good
  128. [17:50:45] <idnar> in some cases it might not be quite that bad, phishing scams and the like
  129. [17:51:08] <idnar> but honestly, I think the majority of spam flying around the internet today has absolutely no return at all
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  132. [18:11:07] <jibot> brylie is awesome
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  155. [22:46:03] <jibot> brylie is awesome
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  159. [23:16:33] <paulproteus> Anyone have any feelings on DjangoID, the Django-based OpenID server at http://trac.nicolast.be/djangoid/ ?
  160. [23:16:58] <GabeW> what makes it django-specific?
  161. [23:17:17] <paulproteus> GabeW, Well, it's a web app in Django, like PIP/Heraldry is a web app in Rails.
  162. [23:18:02] <GabeW> i mean, i prefer pylons, wondering how much reusability there is
  163. [23:18:03] <paulproteus> Heraldry seems really big to me, and I prefer Python, so I wanted to get a sense if deploying DjangoID made sense (for a very small deployment at freeculture.org).
  164. [23:18:11] <GabeW> ah
  165. [23:18:11] <GabeW> neat
  166. [23:18:19] <paulproteus> I'm just trying to provide central login for our bijillion web apps.
  167. [23:18:26] <GabeW> hmm
  168. [23:18:34] <GabeW> this stays a "django-based openid server"
  169. [23:18:39] <GabeW> I wonder if that means Openid Provider
  170. [23:18:44] <paulproteus> I think it does.
  171. [23:18:55] <paulproteus> See e.g. http://trac.nicolast.be/djangoid/wiki/HowToInstall .
  172. [23:19:21] <GabeW> to be honest, if its a standalone thing, I care less which framework it uses since there is a ton of plugabillity
  173. [23:19:28] <GabeW> plugability between those frameworks
  174. [23:20:03] <paulproteus> Right, sure, okay. All I want is a standalone OpenID provider. *shrug*
  175. [23:20:29] <mmealling> same here..... but in Java.....
  176. [23:20:34] <GabeW> aah
  177. [23:20:40] <GabeW> mmealling: hmm
  178. [23:21:08] <GabeW> there's my jsp-based simple-openid stuff in the openid4java codeline
  179. [23:21:12] <GabeW> thats a standalone OP
  180. [23:21:20] <GabeW> pretty minimal/skeletal
  181. [23:22:06] <mmealling> well, for this pilot "minimal/skeletal" should be fine, but going forward one of their requirements will be "a complete openid code base for Java"
  182. [23:22:13] <mmealling> whatever "complete" means....
  183. [23:22:18] <GabeW> hehe
  184. [23:22:33] <GabeW> well, in any case, my jsp-based stuff is super-easy to get working very simply
  185. [23:22:52] <GabeW> it uses maven, so there's not much more to do than download it, and then type "mvn jetty:run" (after installing jetty)
  186. [23:22:57] <GabeW> it doesn't actually do any authentication
  187. [23:23:02] <paulproteus> GabeW, Basically, do you think using http://trac.nicolast.be/djangoid/ for our little site and our, like, 40 users would make sense?
  188. [23:23:12] <GabeW> paulproteus: looks like it could
  189. [23:23:29] <GabeW> though, it looks like its only meant for single-user OP's
  190. [23:23:31] <GabeW> hrm
  191. [23:23:32] <GabeW> brb
  192. [23:23:47] <paulproteus> GabeW, Oh, good point....
  193. [23:25:20] <paulproteus> GabeW, Do you have a suggestion for a standalone provider? Should I just suck it up and use PIP/Heraldry? I really would rather have my identity URLs be id.freeculture.org/$name not $name.id.freeculture.org.
  194. [23:26:07] <paulproteus> (Or anyone else.)
  195. [23:27:02] * mmealling wishes there was an snmp4j channel
  196. [23:27:14] <keturn> do those 40 users not have aol or livejournal or myopenid or sun accounts?
  197. [23:27:24] <paulproteus> keturn, I can't rely on it, no
  198. [23:27:25] <paulproteus> .
  199. [23:27:26] <keturn> or claimid or myopenid or ...
  200. [23:29:02] <paulproteus> The whole point is to make our services more enjoyable for our users to use. I don't think it's a good idea to add a reliance on third parties I have no particular reason to trust.
  201. [23:31:24] <GabeW> paulproteus: thats not surprising
  202. [23:31:48] <GabeW> what about the affiliate thing that janrain is doing
  203. [23:31:49] <GabeW> ?
  204. [23:31:57] <paulproteus> GabeW, I have no idea what that is.
  205. [23:32:01] <paulproteus> I should Google it?
  206. [23:32:13] <paulproteus> I'm admittedly new to this OpenID stuff.
  207. [23:32:18] <GabeW> you should get keturn to tell you
  208. [23:32:38] <paulproteus> http://kveton.com/blog/2006/11/03/announcing-the-janrain-affiliate-program/
  209. [23:32:46] <GabeW> yah
  210. [23:32:47] <keturn> well, it involves a reliance on a third party (us)
  211. [23:32:52] <GabeW> yah, true
  212. [23:32:58] <paulproteus> Yeah, that's not at all appealing to me.
  213. [23:32:58] <GabeW> but there's an explicit relationship there, right?
  214. [23:33:05] <GabeW> thats different than some random 3rd party
  215. [23:33:35] <GabeW> i think its a good model
  216. [23:34:01] <paulproteus> I think I just want to run my own. We run our own web server and wiki and blogs service and mail server and on and on.
  217. [23:34:06] <GabeW> ok
  218. [23:34:39] <GabeW> in all honesty, i htink the reason you don't see standalone OPs is because there are a lot of decisions to be made in building an OP
  219. [23:34:47] <GabeW> and I'm not sure there's a one-size-fits-all solution
  220. [23:35:00] <GabeW> I would have thought OP's could be built on top of things like drupal, etc
  221. [23:35:05] <GabeW> but there's a whole can of worms tehre
  222. [23:35:06] <GabeW> there
  223. [23:35:51] <paulproteus> What sorts of decisions?
  224. [23:36:52] <GabeW> like, decisions about what sort of options to present users
  225. [23:36:58] <paulproteus> We were going to just use the one in the MediaWiki extension, but it had some weird interoperability problem.s
  226. [23:37:08] <GabeW> fone..
  227. [23:37:18] <paulproteus> I don't see why it's hard to make an admin panel to ask admins what they want to show users.
  228. [23:37:26] <GabeW> hold on
  229. [23:37:30] * paulproteus nods
  230. [23:38:41] <mmealling> sweet.... linkedin now tells you things about people who have been looking at your profile.
  231. [23:39:03] <paulproteus> "Yay".
  232. [23:39:29] <paulproteus> I don't know how much I like them admitting they can spy on every page view.
  233. [23:40:11] <mmealling> "Admitting"? why wouldn't you assume they know about every page view?
  234. [23:40:30] <mmealling> its their site I'm clicking around on....
  235. [23:40:38] <paulproteus> Of course they know about it, I just figure most people who use social networking sites forget that.
  236. [23:40:45] <paulproteus> When I tell it to Facebook users, they seem surprised.
  237. [23:42:32] <mmealling> well, given the typical user of Facebook I suspect they would be surprised by a lot of things in life...
  238. [23:43:00] <paulproteus> That's reasonable I suppose. (-:
  239. [23:43:53] <paulproteus> I'll be back at my keyboard soonish; I'll read scrollback, so keep chatting without me. (-:
  240. [23:50:18] <GabeW> he
  241. [23:53:50] * idnar_ is now known as idnar

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