IRC Log for #openid on 2007-07-12

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  6. [01:00:35] <atoponce> we're a talkative bunch, aren't we?
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  43. [04:09:34] <jibot> keturn is Kevin Turner
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  48. [04:59:32] <jibot> AaronF is here.
  49. [05:10:58] <atoponce> the only activity i see here is jibot
  50. [05:11:26] <jwang> but does jibot make it all wortwhile?
  51. [05:12:17] <atoponce> nope
  52. [05:12:19] <atoponce> :)
  53. [05:13:08] <jwang> I'm surprised at how much PKI there seems to be on the list
  54. [05:13:18] <jwang> PKI-related discusion
  55. [05:14:07] <atoponce> mailing list? have a link?
  56. [05:14:30] <jwang> http://openid.net/pipermail/general/2007-July/002799.html
  57. [05:15:10] <jwang> http://openid.net/pipermail/general/2007-July/002787.html
  58. [05:15:19] <jwang> I guess they are both from Peter Williams
  59. [05:15:30] <jwang> didn't realize that till just now
  60. [05:18:28] * atoponce subscribes to a couple of the lists
  61. [05:19:51] <jwang> have you implemented OpenID on a site?
  62. [05:20:54] * atoponce nods
  63. [05:21:18] <jwang> do many people use it?
  64. [05:21:35] <atoponce> a bit
  65. [05:21:39] <jwang> just a RP or as an OP and RP?
  66. [05:22:08] <atoponce> i have it enabled for commenting on my blog. i whitelist those willing to use openid, to bypass my spam filters
  67. [05:22:18] <jwang> "ah
  68. [05:22:26] <jwang> which blog engine?
  69. [05:22:28] <atoponce> which can be a bit rough, actually
  70. [05:22:31] <atoponce> wordpress
  71. [05:23:16] <jwang> I've been thinking how OpenID can work with a community type site where people have community online identities
  72. [05:23:52] <atoponce> like facebook and myspace?
  73. [05:24:15] <jwang> Yeah
  74. [05:25:06] <atoponce> openid is really in position for ultimate migration into social networking/web 2.0 applications
  75. [05:25:43] <atoponce> i mean, why keep a login on linkedin, facebook, last.fm, and others, when 1 should do the trick?
  76. [05:25:54] <jwang> what if that one dies?
  77. [05:26:19] <jwang> what if your OP goes away, out of money, out of business?
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  79. [05:27:15] <atoponce> exactly
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  81. [05:28:32] <atoponce> marc canter said it best in his blog post
  82. [05:28:51] <atoponce> 'open standards for social networking'
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  84. [05:34:52] <jwang> first comment says it's a standard "canter puff piece" ... I'm not sure what that means
  85. [05:36:43] <jwang> "This topic is one that won�t go away until end users have been satisfied and they control their own data."
  86. [05:37:03] <jwang> I'm not sure that will ever be true. for that to be true someone that posts to your blog should be able to edit/remove their comment forever
  87. [05:37:33] <jwang> removing comments ut of a thread can put holes in it making the overall thread hard to read which is why many forums disallow it after a certain amount of time
  88. [05:38:41] <atoponce> hmmm. good points
  89. [05:38:53] <atoponce> i don't think that users should have control of their data, just their identity
  90. [05:39:24] <atoponce> registering with a site, be it a blog or wiki, should mean that you're allowing the site to control your data
  91. [05:39:50] <atoponce> however, i do believe in open standards, so if you want to move your data from one network to another, you should be able to so
  92. [05:40:20] <atoponce> but ultimately, you should be able to say who are, and what you want visible to others. ultimately, that's what openid is all about to me
  93. [05:40:27] <atoponce> it's much more than a single sign-on
  94. [05:44:40] <jwang> today people can control how much they want visible to others by creating multiple online identities. for OpenID to replace that, there needs to be trust in the system
  95. [05:45:15] <jwang> if Google ran an OpenID system, non-Google people might not see much about you, but Google might connect that info with more than you ever imagined
  96. [05:46:34] <jwang> imagine if an OP collect all the RP sites and built a profile on you?
  97. [05:47:00] <jwang> some people will be ok with that and some won't be
  98. [05:47:13] <jwang> if you're not ok, just set up your own OP
  99. [05:48:03] <atoponce> op? rp?
  100. [05:48:13] <jwang> I don't really think you can rely on a third party to protect your identity
  101. [05:48:22] <jwang> OP = OpenID Provider, RP = Relying Party
  102. [05:48:27] <atoponce> ahh
  103. [05:48:57] <jwang> just look at the credit companies, they collect info on you and sell it for $$$
  104. [05:49:05] <jwang> credit reporting companies
  105. [05:49:38] <jwang> the only people that will really protect their identity with OpenIDs are the ones that run their own OP auth server IMO
  106. [05:49:49] <atoponce> not only them, but most of the companies you do business with
  107. [05:50:01] <jwang> yep
  108. [05:50:09] <jwang> and using OpenID doesn't protect you from tat
  109. [05:50:10] <atoponce> phone, house, bank, grocery store, etc
  110. [05:50:13] <atoponce> no
  111. [05:50:15] <atoponce> it doesn't
  112. [05:50:16] <jwang> unles you're running your own OpenID server
  113. [05:52:32] <jwang> I can see how it would be nice to run your own OpenID server but I don't think most people will
  114. [05:52:54] <atoponce> no. just as they don't run their own webserver
  115. [05:53:09] <atoponce> heck. i don't even run my own openid server, and i'm a nerd
  116. [05:53:10] <atoponce> :)
  117. [05:53:17] <jwang> in which case they don't really get any control over their identity
  118. [05:53:25] <jwang> they just shift who owns it ;)
  119. [05:53:36] <jwang> and they centralize that data for others
  120. [05:53:50] <jwang> which means more marketing $
  121. [05:53:51] <atoponce> i see your points
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  126. [06:07:43] <keturn> you may be able to argue that it's possible to "own" or "control" your data even if you make use of hosted services, as long as those services have open standards about how to get your data in and out of them.
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  135. [06:48:02] <Gaurav_> hi
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  137. [06:54:15] <jwang> Gaurav_: hi there
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