IRC Log for #openid on 2007-07-24

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  65. [21:12:36] <sreynen> does openID require providers to have passwords stored in plain text?
  66. [21:13:48] <gregdh> no
  67. [21:13:58] <gregdh> in fact, no passwords are involved in openid
  68. [21:14:00] <j3h> OpenID does not specify anything about how the provider authenticates the user (e.g. the provider could identify the user with an SSL client certificate instead of a password)
  69. [21:15:55] <sreynen> i'm trying to bind authentication to an existing LDAP directory, but every PHP implementation i've looked at requires taking a plain text password and hashing it
  70. [21:16:41] <chowells79> Just replace the entire authentication mechanism, then..
  71. [21:17:15] <sreynen> none of them have the auth mechanism separated from openID
  72. [21:19:04] <sreynen> and my attempts to separate the authentication have failed
  73. [21:20:01] <sreynen> my most recent attempt was with this: http://siege.org/projects/phpMyID/
  74. [21:23:16] <sreynen> can anyone recommend a standalone PHP implementation with the authentication mechanism separated from the OpenID functionality?
  75. [21:24:45] <samsm> It looks like phpMyId's password is stored like md5(username:realm:password)
  76. [21:25:19] <sreynen> right, which doesn't work with LDAP
  77. [21:25:25] <sreynen> because LDAP doesn't store passwords like that
  78. [21:25:32] <samsm> Oh, ldap, right.
  79. [21:26:01] <sreynen> my question is: if OpenID doesn't do authentication, why is PHPmyID doing authentication?
  80. [21:26:18] <sreynen> and why does every other PHP implementation do authentication?
  81. [21:28:09] <samsm> The provider is the single place you have to log in.
  82. [21:29:05] <sreynen> but why is the login mechanism completely intertwined with communication with consumers?
  83. [21:30:04] <samsm> I haven't studied the PHP library, but for the Ruby library it isn't that way.
  84. [21:30:31] <samsm> And if I understand correctly, the Ruby library is based on the Python library.
  85. [21:30:49] <sreynen> doesn't anyone use openid with PHP?
  86. [21:31:56] <sreynen> it's not like it's an obscure language
  87. [21:33:54] <j3h> phpMyID isn't a library, it's an application. Try openidenabled.com if you want a library
  88. [21:34:38] <sreynen> i don't want a library. i want a customizable application
  89. [21:35:05] <sreynen> i want a provider with customizable authentication mechanism
  90. [21:36:28] <sreynen> i'm surprised that doesn't exist in PHP
  91. [21:38:07] <samsm> If I recall there are a number of PHP servers and phpMyID was the most barebones of them.
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  95. [21:40:35] <sreynen> yeah, it was the most barebones i found, but half of it is authentication code
  96. [21:44:52] <pfak> sreynen: I use it.
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  98. [21:45:18] <pfak> but not as an identity provider.
  99. [21:45:23] <pfak> as a consumer
  100. [21:51:47] <sreynen> yeah, that's my next step, and the code for that looks usable
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