IRC Log for #openid on 2007-08-30

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  6. [00:14:24] <elliottcable> Anybody around who uses ruby? Better yet, rails?
  7. [00:14:36] <elliottcable> I'm having errors from he ruby-openid gem
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  68. [17:05:18] <DaSkreech> What's the aim of OpenID?
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  78. [17:44:16] <don-o> DaSkreech: http://openid.net/ has a good description
  79. [17:45:16] <DaSkreech> I know. But I mean at what point would you (collective you) consider openid a success story?
  80. [17:46:25] <don-o> DaSkreech: when its in common use, would be one metric.
  81. [17:46:51] <DaSkreech> well yeah that's the goal of any open project :)
  82. [17:46:58] <don-o> :)
  83. [17:46:58] <Peng> When it gets bought by Google!
  84. [17:47:14] <DaSkreech> It's like profit monitoring ina a propietary model
  85. [17:47:22] <DaSkreech> Peng: Ha ha brilliant :)
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  98. [19:30:06] <dublpaws> this blog posting has me questioning my proclivities about using openid for authentication. http://miksovsky.blogs.com/flowstate/2007/08/openid-great-id.html
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  100. [19:41:20] <DaSkreech> The ostensible universality and permanence of an OpenID actually makes the task of picking a provider harder. Even if I happen to currently have a SixApart blog with a TypeKey, am I really prepared to use that ID everywhere? Exactly how long can a consumer expect a given OpenID provider to remain in existence? In my playing around on one site, when I remapped a URI from one provider to another, I lost my ID-related preferences. This gives me
  101. [19:41:21] <DaSkreech> pause in depending upon any provider that could potentially die before the web service I'm using the ID with. Frankly, many of the OpenID providers seemed like tiny organizations that could disappear overnight. Nowhere could I find anything that would tell me what should theoretically happen to my ID-bound accounts if that were to happen.
  102. [19:41:30] <DaSkreech> That seems valid actually
  103. [19:41:47] <DaSkreech> Is there a method to share your info amongst two or three providers as a backup?
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  106. [19:55:24] <_keturn> and that's a question to put to the web service. "how do you do account recovery if I lose my OpenID? Can I associate more than one OpenID with my account here?"
  107. [19:56:49] <_keturn> if you have an identifier that's independant of the provider (i.e. your own domain or XRI that's doing delegation), it can serve a XRDS document that defines multiple providers... so that sort of backup redundancy is in the spec, but it is sufficiently complicated that we almost never see it in the wild
  108. [19:57:24] <_keturn> and as such, I fear that it's pretty poorly tested.
  109. [19:57:47] <DaSkreech> Well not only tested but advertised
  110. [19:58:02] <DaSkreech> people should know that this is one of the things that makes someone a good openID provider
  111. [20:00:25] <_keturn> well, it's hard for any one provider to advertise, because it only becomes useful in the event that the provider goes down. It's not really a provider feature at all, it's a feature of whatever is hosting your identifier's domain independant of the provider's OpenID protocol endpoint.
  112. [20:04:25] <DaSkreech> ergh That does sound over engineered
  113. [20:05:27] <_keturn> which is why most people will probably stick to asking the web services to let them associate more than one OpenID with their account ;)
  114. [20:07:20] <DaSkreech> Yeah still puts the pain of syncing those on the user though
  115. [20:07:34] <DaSkreech> and doesn't protect you if your main one goes down
  116. [20:07:37] <DaSkreech> annoying
  117. [20:07:46] <DaSkreech> At least you can still login :)
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  121. [20:43:44] <don-o> jyte does that well
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  123. [20:58:03] <DaSkreech> don-o: that?
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  125. [20:59:11] <dynam0> hello
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  128. [21:04:40] <don-o> DaSkreech: manages multiple openid's per login
  129. [21:04:40] <openid_pibb> <Rorek> the relay should be back up now
  130. [21:04:58] <don-o> DaSkreech: well an openid is a login, but you know what i mean :)
  131. [21:05:20] <DaSkreech> don-o: Ha ha I'm about to go back and re read all of this since I'm very lost now :)
  132. [21:05:52] <DaSkreech> For example it just occurred to me I have no idea what settings you can save with a login other than perhaps timeout options
  133. [21:23:55] <don-o> has anyone ordered the paypal secureID dongle?
  134. [21:24:08] <don-o> i did a few days ago, to use with verisign's PIP thing
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  136. [22:11:58] <openid_pibb> <VxJasonxV> I ordered it
  137. [22:11:59] <openid_pibb> <VxJasonxV> Though VeriSign isn't my IDP
  138. [22:15:37] <openid_pibb> <VxJasonxV> (I actually ordered it for Paypal/eBay :P)
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