IRC Log for #openid on 2007-11-12

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  9. [02:07:15] <PibbRelay`> <samsm> I've wondered the same thing about 1.1 vs. 2.0.
  10. [02:08:33] <PibbRelay`> <samsm> I can appreciate the caution involved with taking awhile to settle on version 2, but I suspect it makes OpenId seem more complex than it needs to be.
  11. [02:16:32] <PibbRelay`> <samsm> I guess I'm saying that if you have to ask, you want 1.1. 1.1 is fine. 1.1 isn't in flux. 1.1 will still be ok once 2.0 is out.
  12. [02:16:44] <PibbRelay`> <samsm> No?
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  32. [10:56:49] <andreas> hi
  33. [10:56:53] <andreas> anyone awake?
  34. [11:09:36] <tjohns> Ya, for a little while at least
  35. [11:16:28] <andreas> i am holding a presentation on openid tomorrow, and trying to get an overview of imporant things to say about it
  36. [11:16:40] <andreas> at a identity conference in europe
  37. [11:19:22] <tjohns> Have you looked through the slides from past presentations?
  38. [11:19:46] <andreas> actually no, is they avail on openid.net ?
  39. [11:19:53] <andreas> i don't know much about openid
  40. [11:20:03] <tjohns> I don't think so, they're scattered around the net.
  41. [11:20:06] <tjohns> One sec...
  42. [11:20:26] <andreas> but just read to the specs right now, and one short question... spec says openid plays nice with Ajax (never have to leave the site etc...)
  43. [11:20:30] <andreas> how is that possible
  44. [11:20:58] <andreas> you cannot redirect an xhttprequest as far as i know
  45. [11:21:54] <andreas> And: Is seatbelt worth testing ?
  46. [11:26:55] <tjohns> I've never used the AJAX functionality myself. It's definitely a little tricky. I believe you need to display a link that the user has to click, possibly opening itself up in a new window.
  47. [11:27:04] <tjohns> There's a discussion about it here: http://openid.net/pipermail/security/2006-November/000161.html
  48. [11:28:09] <tjohns> Because of the redirect requirement, I think most of the time it's better to do non-AJAX authentication if at all possible.
  49. [11:29:45] <andreas> btw: my name is andreas solberg. I'm from the federation world (with shibboleth and saml 2.0 and similar) and new here.. trying to look at possibilities to bridge our world to yours
  50. [11:29:46] <tjohns> As for Seatbelt, it's definitely a neat idea to combat phishing. I've never used it myself (I usually use Safari or Camino, neither work with FF plugins), but Verisign's description of it is pretty straightforward.
  51. [11:29:56] <tjohns> Ah, cool.
  52. [11:30:10] <andreas> who are you btw?
  53. [11:30:23] <andreas> seem to be alot of idlers here on the channel :)
  54. [11:30:37] <tjohns> Ya, I'm just a lurker for the most part. ;)
  55. [11:31:01] <tjohns> The name's Trevor Johns. I'm a student at USC.
  56. [11:31:09] <andreas> ok, nice to meet you
  57. [11:31:27] <andreas> are you much into the security considerations of openid?
  58. [11:32:27] <tjohns> Ya
  59. [11:33:13] <andreas> i know openid has got alot of critisism for security. Do you know the biggest "issues" ?
  60. [11:33:49] <andreas> i know phishing is a problem, but that is not specific to openid i think. same for all auth mechs on the net.
  61. [11:34:27] <tjohns> Ya, phishing is pretty much the same problem everybody's facing right now. How do you prove that who you're giving your password to is who you think they are.
  62. [11:35:08] <andreas> and possible DNS attacking the consumer
  63. [11:35:13] <andreas> would be a risk
  64. [11:35:34] <andreas> if you have a non-SSL enabled openid
  65. [11:36:01] <tjohns> Right, and I think that's mentioned directly in the OpenID 2.0 draft
  66. [11:36:21] <andreas> ah yes. actually I have not yet looked into openid 2.0 yet.
  67. [11:36:32] <tjohns> Another problem is that OpenID doesn't actually provide any proof as to who somebody is
  68. [11:36:33] <andreas> do you know the most significant features or changes with it?
  69. [11:36:47] <tjohns> All it says is that "this person owns the URI http://foo.com"
  70. [11:36:58] <andreas> Yes, that is one valid point, although openid never really tries to achive that
  71. [11:37:11] <andreas> i know sun implemented a twist of that
  72. [11:37:23] <andreas> bounding specific trust to certain providers
  73. [11:37:38] <tjohns> That's also where things like federations become useful.
  74. [11:38:24] <tjohns> There's a list of the changes in OpenID 2.0 here: http://wiki.openid.net/OpenIDChanges
  75. [11:39:00] <andreas> thanks
  76. [11:39:15] <tjohns> Two of the bigger changes, I think, are allowing XRIs and official Yadis support
  77. [11:40:22] <andreas> Do you know if the consumer should verify that the returned identity is the same as the one sent in the checkid_setup request?
  78. [11:40:48] <andreas> I know some setup a service where you could enter http://openid.example.com in the openid field at the consumer
  79. [11:41:08] <andreas> and the provider sent back the right ID depending on the username you used.
  80. [11:41:17] <andreas> it worked, but I am not sure if it should have worked
  81. [11:42:08] <tjohns> Hm, that's interesting, I'm not sure about that.
  82. [11:47:14] <tjohns> Here's a couple of presentations I'd recommend going through:
  83. [11:47:22] <tjohns> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2288395847791059857
  84. [11:47:22] <tjohns> http://www.slideshare.net/keepthebyte/openid-authentication
  85. [11:47:38] <andreas> thanks
  86. [11:48:02] <tjohns> The slides for the Google one are posted here, if you want to skip the video: http://www.slideshare.net/simon/the-implications-of-openid
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  105. [14:52:02] <samyboy> #j /linuxfr
  106. [14:52:30] <samyboy> pardon :/
  107. [14:52:44] <samyboy> sry
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  109. [15:03:33] <samyboy> I'm getting an error 500 on the openidenabled.com website
  110. [15:03:47] <samyboy> http://openidenabled.com/resources/openid-test/checkup/start?openid_url=http%3A%2F%2Fopenid.wng.ch%2Fuser%2Fsam
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  112. [15:06:52] <m-q> hi everybody. i have a question regarding the php openid library 2.0.0-rc2. according from the version name, i guess we can start deploy an openid-provider based on this version without expecting dramatic API changes towards the 2.0.0 release?
  113. [15:07:35] <m-q> thx
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  116. [15:18:55] <jibot> marclaporte is Marc Laporte from Tiki CMS/Groupware
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  127. [16:36:39] <jcassee> hi all
  128. [16:36:42] <jcassee> any active people here?
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  133. [17:05:36] <PibbRelay`> <VxJasonxV> a few
  134. [17:05:39] <PibbRelay`> <VxJasonxV> also depends on your definition of active :)
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  147. [17:50:37] <PibbRelay`> <samsm> I try to at least take a walk every day.
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  156. [18:51:32] <NASA> hi everyone
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