IRC Log for #openid on 2007-11-21

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  1. [00:05:20] <benbangert> How do I determine from a OpenID request, whether I should attempt to make a AX FetchRequest object from it?
  2. [00:05:46] <benbangert> Or is there a python-openid channel I should ask this on, as it relates purely to the JanRain Python implementation. :)
  3. [00:19:59] <PibbRelay> <VxJasonxV> I do believe keturn is the one you ultimately want to ask
  4. [00:20:09] <_keturn> it's a try-it-and-see thing, I think. The latest rc will probably raise an exception on fromOpenIDRequest when there's no extension data, but I've had a suggestion that it should just return None instead.
  5. [00:20:20] <benbangert> yea, I noticed that
  6. [00:20:39] <benbangert> to avoid the exception, I resorted to searching for 'ns.ax' in openid_request.message.toArgs():
  7. [00:20:53] <benbangert> before attempting to process it as an AX FetchRequest
  8. [00:23:55] <_keturn> Why did you choose to do that instead of catching the exception? Would you like the "return None" thing better?
  9. [00:24:19] <benbangert> well, both the sreg and the pape stuff appear to return None
  10. [00:24:27] <benbangert> it seems odd that FetchRequest is the exception to the rule
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  12. [00:27:38] <_keturn> point
  13. [00:35:41] <PibbRelay> <cygnus> it's worth noting that the AX module has not really seen much use in the wild because, well, nobody supports it.
  14. [00:36:03] <PibbRelay> <cygnus> so while it's a little rusty, we really want developer feedback on the API
  15. [00:38:15] <benbangert> ahh
  16. [00:38:25] <benbangert> welp, I'm writing an entire internal SSO app using it ;)
  17. [00:38:29] <benbangert> we'll see how that works out. heh
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  21. [00:48:41] <benbangert> _keturn: do the AX store requests actually come in during the OpenID request?
  22. [00:49:10] <benbangert> ie, the RP is bouncing someone over with an OpenID request mode set to checkid or whatever, with a store request included?
  23. [00:50:22] <_keturn> yep
  24. [00:51:08] <benbangert> interesting
  25. [00:51:11] <_keturn> (I mean, as far as I understand it, I think that's the idea. You're the first person I know who's actually writing code to use the Store method of AX.)
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  27. [00:57:04] <benbangert> lol
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  37. [02:24:45] <jibot> marclaporte is Marc Laporte from Tiki CMS/Groupware
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  61. [11:02:40] <Peng> Pibb: ping
  62. [11:02:48] <Peng> Yay.
  63. [11:04:24] <SignpostMarv> pong
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  99. [15:48:37] <don-o> the gem tool says the latest ruby-openid gem is 1.1.4. openidenabled.com shows a 1.9 track.
  100. [15:48:48] <don-o> whats the difference?
  101. [15:50:53] <don-o> im guessing the 1.9 version implements openid v2
  102. [15:51:05] <don-o> how 'beta' is it?
  103. [16:17:42] <keturn> we've run some demos with it, but I don't think it's been run in production yet
  104. [16:30:46] <don-o> ok good enough for me :)
  105. [16:31:59] <don-o> ruby-openid 1.9 implements its own yadis?
  106. [16:32:07] <don-o> ruby-yadis is obsolete?
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  114. [17:33:40] <PibbRelay> <cygnus> that's correct.
  115. [17:33:50] <PibbRelay> <cygnus> ** cygnus idly wonders if he's responding to now-defunct IRC messages from Pibb.
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  117. [17:36:15] <don-o> those messages are still fresh
  118. [17:36:59] <don-o> i thought the yadis gem was a nice seperation.
  119. [17:39:58] <keturn> it was, in theory. in practice, nobody really used it who didn't use OpenID and it complicated maintenance and the dependency tree.
  120. [17:39:59] <PibbRelay> <cygnus> Nobody was using it separately, though.
  121. [17:41:27] * don-o nods
  122. [17:41:36] <PibbRelay> <cygnus> You'll find that in terms of modularity, the separation is still there. You just need the whole package to get at it. :) (sounds like another software project I know of.)
  123. [17:42:15] <don-o> ever think of dropping the ruby- in the gem name? seems redundant. janrain-openid perhaps
  124. [17:43:21] <keturn> thing is, if we put up three packages named "janrain-openid" on openidenabled.com, it won't be at all obvious when you search for that string if you've found the right one
  125. [17:43:55] <don-o> three packages? i was thinking call the 1.9 version the new name when it gets hosted on rubyforge
  126. [17:44:09] <keturn> also php-janrain-openid and python-janrain-openid
  127. [17:44:12] <PibbRelay> <cygnus> We're also trying to avoid affixing the company name to the code, since we might not always be the folks to maintain it.
  128. [17:44:45] <don-o> ok. i just cringe at gems with the name ruby in them. sort of like xwindows apps that all started with x.
  129. [17:44:59] <keturn> yeah, I know what you mean
  130. [17:45:36] <don-o> i am working on a solo-project rails app and im implementing logins.
  131. [17:45:45] <don-o> so im back on the openid train for a while.
  132. [17:46:08] <keturn> we could call them portland-openid and get it confused with portland.freedesktop.org
  133. [17:46:41] <don-o> neat. portland gets an open source project named after it.
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  135. [17:48:37] <don-o> openid-jr and claim jr is just a unique string, not an acronym. sort of like KFC (kentucky fried chicken)
  136. [17:48:57] <don-o> except jr might imply the 'light' version or something :)
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  141. [18:13:05] <PibbRelay> <VxJasonxV> kde apps that all start with k, expect amaroK who's all backwards
  142. [18:13:06] <PibbRelay> <VxJasonxV> gnome apps that start with g...
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  144. [18:14:21] <PibbRelay> <VxJasonxV> huh, xdg-utils is codenamed portland? cool.
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  154. [19:22:34] <tbbrown> are there any openid mailing list programs (such that the web archive identifies participants by openid)?
  155. [19:25:29] <GabeW> not that I know of, though someone (at janrain?) early on had talked about hacking mailman (I believe...)
  156. [19:25:48] <GabeW> that was more for list management though
  157. [19:25:51] <GabeW> not sure about archiving
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  160. [19:28:24] <_keturn> but you still want SMTP delivery, just OpenIDs for the archives?
  161. [19:29:41] <tbbrown> right
  162. [19:32:38] <_keturn> I haven't seen any. But, as far as applications go, it sounds like a pretty small project.
  163. [19:32:57] <_keturn> (At least it is if your standard for archive UI is pipermail.)
  164. [19:33:49] <_keturn> if your standards are above pipermail's, it's perhaps a slightly bigger project, but then you'd have something that didn't suck as much as pipermail when you're done, and that would be pretty cool.
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  166. [19:40:33] <tbbrown> i'm going to look into beast
  167. [19:44:13] * _keturn 's attempt to google that results in only the gnome audio synthesis program
  168. [19:46:06] <tbbrown> http://beast.caboo.se/forums/1/topics/886
  169. [19:46:21] <tbbrown> it looks like beast's openid implementation needs some work
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  181. [21:50:57] <elarson> has anyone had trouble with the python-openid not being able to do discovery on heraldry openid server
  182. [21:51:10] <elarson> I think it a rails app that is under the apache project
  183. [21:52:14] <elarson> heraldry serves an error saying the yadis object is not set which makes me assume heraldry is just behind in terms of support, but I would have thought that the python-openid could still work around that case
  184. [22:09:02] <_keturn> the Apache Foundation dropped the Heraldry Incubator Project some months ago
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  186. [22:10:38] <elarson> _keturn: ah, do you know if it is still developed?
  187. [22:11:47] <_keturn> well, it depends on what you mean by "it" -- The Heraldry project attempted to encompass implementations of a number of different specifications across several distinct platforms
  188. [22:12:23] <_keturn> some of the code that was contributed to the Heraldry project lives at http://openidenabled.com/, some other bits are at http://rubyforge.org/projects/heraldry/
  189. [22:12:38] <elarson> _keturn: I suppose I mean the rails openid server
  190. [22:13:54] <elarson> it looks like it is a bit stale
  191. [22:14:15] <elarson> _keturn: thanks for the clarification, that helps a ton
  192. [22:14:23] <_keturn> I believe that's in the rubyforge project's SVN. but it doesn't look like there's been any activity on that svn since the import.
  193. [22:14:52] <elarson> yeah, that is what I have noticed as well
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