IRC Log for #openid on 2007-12-10

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  32. [12:35:52] <eagle^2> hi, i just tried to install phpopenid 2.0.0 but right away in examples i get this error[ Warning: in_array() [function.in-array]: Wrong datatype for second argument in... ] what can I fix?
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  44. [15:07:19] <darix> moin
  45. [15:07:59] <darix> i wonder, are there any standards to announce "this site supports/requires auth via openid" to non interactive clients?
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  48. [15:19:46] <claudio> darix, "non interactive"?
  49. [15:22:59] <darix> claudio: e.g. commandline tools
  50. [15:25:13] <darix> or e.g. kde's kio_http
  51. [15:25:49] <claudio> ah, oh.. mmmh ok :) Dunno
  52. [15:26:22] <darix> atm our service is nicely restful and behind http auth. you can edit files with just specifing "kate http://service/path/to/file" (it will use get and put on save)
  53. [15:26:35] <darix> now we need to find a way to tell kio_http do auth and use openid for it
  54. [15:27:00] <darix> i hope that example makes it more clear
  55. [15:28:21] <darix> that way even our api host could use openid
  56. [15:29:07] <darix> claudio: what do you think about the idea?
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  62. [15:51:57] <claudio> darix, how people actually are authenticating theirselves (to be able, say, to PUT changes on server)?
  63. [15:52:57] <darix> claudio: that handling would need to be done in the application.
  64. [15:53:10] <darix> showing the local user a popup to put in the openid url
  65. [15:53:14] <darix> or read it from their config
  66. [15:53:56] <claudio> (Ah, HTTP AUTH, sorry I missed that bit)
  67. [15:54:08] <darix> but the problem is to announce the "you need auth and you need to use openid for it" :)
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  69. [15:54:44] <claudio> yes, the realm string on the HTTP popup will not suffice :)
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  72. [15:56:24] <darix> ideal would be something like 401 -> WWW-Authenticate: openid
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  74. [15:57:52] <darix> hm
  75. [16:00:29] <claudio> sure, that could be perfect. IIRC Firefox 3 "detects" an openid login in the current page, using the name of the input form elements... I wonder if it could, for example, sniff something like that too
  76. [16:01:01] <claudio> so, in that way, one could begin building a "standard"
  77. [16:01:03] <johill> darix: question is how you then transfer the credentials etc
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  79. [16:01:29] <johill> darix: sounds like you need to define an http extension
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  84. [16:03:32] <darix> johill: the credentials are only transfered to the provider.
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  86. [16:03:51] <darix> that is another part of the fun
  87. [16:04:23] <johill> yeah, excuse my slack in language. I mean the openid url itself
  88. [16:05:03] <johill> and then how do you transfer the credentials to/from the provider? would have to be http auth
  89. [16:05:19] <johill> or ssl certificate or something
  90. [16:05:58] <darix> johill: hmm the posturl could be part of the WWW-Authenticate: openid header
  91. [16:06:14] <johill> ok but then say you log in to the provider
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  93. [16:06:22] <johill> it redirects there to give you a web form
  94. [16:06:34] <johill> that's not something you can do non-iteractively
  95. [16:06:46] <johill> so you can only work with providers that take http auth or similar
  96. [16:07:30] <darix> hm
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  98. [16:07:38] <darix> i will think more about it
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  115. [18:09:27] <PibbRelay> <samsm> darix: This sounds like a job for Oauth or something.
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  118. [18:47:40] <darix> *google*
  119. [18:51:25] <darix> ok
  120. [18:51:49] <darix> that doesnt lead to good results
  121. [18:52:09] <darix> sams: do you have a link for it?
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  123. [18:53:44] <keturn> darix: oauth.net
  124. [18:55:28] <keturn> the motivation for OAuth was exactly the case you describe. "I have an API, but since my web interface uses OpenID, I don't have credentials for my users which they can pass through an API anymore"
  125. [18:55:55] <darix> uhm we will have the users to pass to the api.
  126. [18:56:03] <darix> but users can use the api directly aswell. :)
  127. [18:56:33] <darix> keturn: i am talking about https://build.opensuse.org/ and https://api.opensuse.org/
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  130. [19:30:51] <ronny> yo
  131. [19:31:24] <ronny> what are the current strategies to recover from identity theft ?
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  133. [19:35:47] <ronny> anyone ?
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  138. [20:27:50] <PibbRelay> <cygnus> ronny, the best place to discuss that is probably going to be the general@openid.net mailing list.
  139. [20:38:52] <ronny> cygnus: didnt want to discuss - just have a listing
  140. [20:40:24] <_keturn> OpenID identity theft, specifically?
  141. [20:41:37] <PibbRelay> <cygnus> ronny, my point is that there isn't really a listing. this is the sort of thing that a discussion on general@openid.net would really flesh out.
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  144. [21:38:41] <forsaken> test
  145. [21:44:47] <forsaken> neat pibb.com integration!
  146. [21:47:10] <Makenshi> I'm undecided what address to use as my openid on sites
  147. [21:47:37] <Makenshi> what would be nice is if the sites used the destination address of the referral
  148. [21:47:43] <forsaken> i'm using the myopenid.com one, since its done my janrain
  149. [21:48:03] <Makenshi> eg, mydomain.com, id.mydomain.com point to myname.openidprovider.com
  150. [21:48:17] <Makenshi> however the id consumer see them all as different identities
  151. [21:48:56] <Makenshi> i have ids with janrain and verisign, and working to integrate it into one of my own sites
  152. [21:49:25] <forsaken> ah, gotcha
  153. [21:49:48] <Makenshi> that might not be a bad thing though..
  154. [21:50:08] <Makenshi> i just dunno which one to use when i register for things
  155. [21:51:02] <forsaken> are you trying to make your site an openid provider? or just somehow relay the others at your own site?
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  157. [21:52:27] <Makenshi> right now i have a referral to a third party site, which i may still use because the site i am setting up as an idp is not mydomain.com but anotherdomain.com
  158. [21:52:51] <Makenshi> i think because mydomain.com is for my use only, it makes sense to use that
  159. [21:53:28] <Makenshi> or maybe make it similar to my email address, eg, name@mydomain.com for email, name.mydomain.com for openid
  160. [21:53:35] <Makenshi> so many options.. i don't know!
  161. [21:53:40] <forsaken> haha, indeed
  162. [21:54:11] <forsaken> at current i just have the myopenid one, i'm currently developing my personal site to accept openid's, so I haven't gotten to thinking about hosting my own
  163. [21:54:12] <Makenshi> wonder if there are any sites offering an idp for domains, like google apps for email/etc
  164. [21:54:30] <Makenshi> i mostly use myopenid and pip.versignlabs
  165. [21:54:54] <Makenshi> i like verisign because i can associate multiple id's to one account
  166. [21:57:49] <Makenshi> i pointed id.mydomain.com to www.own-id.com, a little service that does an openid referral
  167. [21:58:30] <Makenshi> for the sake of argument, it's id.chaz6.com
  168. [21:59:29] <forsaken> thats cool
  169. [22:00:26] <Makenshi> i'm a bit concerned though that if the operator turns bad, they could simply redirect it to their own provider
  170. [22:03:15] <forsaken> probably
  171. [22:03:47] <forsaken> looks like theres code for it tho so you could setup your own redirect or something
  172. [22:04:00] <forsaken> http://code.google.com/p/openid-delegator/
  173. [22:04:48] <Makenshi> I have to find new hosting because i'm leaving my job soon and emigrating again
  174. [22:04:58] <Makenshi> might go down the vps route
  175. [22:09:55] <forsaken> vps?
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  178. [22:11:08] <Makenshi> rented virtual server, vmware or xen or kvm etc
  179. [22:11:40] <Makenshi> they're cheaper than a physical server, and depending on the provider, can be more reliable
  180. [22:12:00] <forsaken> ah, cool
  181. [22:12:05] <forsaken> so shared hosting where you get root?
  182. [22:12:12] <forsaken> bc its virtualized?
  183. [22:12:42] <Makenshi> Yes
  184. [22:29:29] <forsaken> good stuff
  185. [22:29:33] <forsaken> is that usually as cheap as shared hosting?
  186. [22:31:35] <Makenshi> can be, or not far off
  187. [22:32:21] <forsaken> awesome
  188. [22:32:25] <forsaken> i'll have to look into that
  189. [22:32:27] <Makenshi> watch out for the ones that use horribly mangled guest operating systems though
  190. [22:33:02] <forsaken> because it's a pain not being able to install stuff in my hosting setup, and I'm a pretty proficiant sysadmin (atleast i like to think so, good enough to install modules and not bork my box)
  191. [22:33:11] <Makenshi> Some provide operating systems based on a particular Linux distribution, but they are not compatible with the software repositories
  192. [22:33:25] <forsaken> okay
  193. [22:33:28] <forsaken> i havent looked into it
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  197. [22:48:59] <Makenshi> aha i see what you mean by pibb
  198. [22:49:01] <Makenshi> nifty
  199. [22:53:01] <PibbRelay> <ericholscher> nifty indeed :)
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