IRC Log for #openid on 2007-12-17

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  68. [11:39:54] <kushal> HI all
  69. [11:40:12] <Makenshi> Hello
  70. [11:40:29] <kushal> I am trying to install PHP Standalone OpenID server on my Fedora 8 box,
  71. [11:40:51] <kushal> getting errors on the time of installation
  72. [11:41:30] <kushal> http://rafb.net/p/pgxp3073.html
  73. [11:41:46] <kushal> What I understood from that file is Auth folder is missing
  74. [11:41:53] <kushal> can anyone help ?
  75. [11:42:31] <Makenshi> You did install the Janrain OpenID library, right?
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  77. [11:43:17] <kushal> nop
  78. [11:43:24] <kushal> missed the main thing
  79. [11:43:30] <kushal> looking at it
  80. [11:46:13] <kushal> Makenshi, how can I install it ?
  81. [11:47:39] <kushal> got it
  82. [11:50:02] <kushal> Now it is not showing anything and also no error in error log
  83. [11:51:39] <kushal> Is there any python based openid server ?
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  91. [13:34:28] <EpZwei> hi.
  92. [13:35:56] <EpZwei> Is it possible that i regester on one service with my nick and an other person register on a other service with the same nick ?
  93. [14:01:51] <Peng> EpZwei: By "nick", you mean OpenID URL?
  94. [14:02:04] * Peng notices the timestamps.
  95. [14:03:10] <EpZwei> Yes. Example nick.example.com and nick.example22222.com
  96. [14:03:13] <EpZwei> ?
  97. [14:04:23] <Peng> EpZwei: No.
  98. [14:04:45] <Peng> EpZwei: Well, yes, if that person can log into your IDP (identity provider), by stealing your password or your fingerprint or whatever.
  99. [14:06:10] <EpZwei> Ok so nick.example.com is a other digital identity then nick.example2222.com. Thanky a lot
  100. [14:09:07] <Peng> EpZwei: Of course. Every URL is a different identity. That's like asking if the usernames "spam" and "eggs" are different.
  101. [14:09:20] <Peng> (Or you can get into delegation, where they're sort of different.)
  102. [14:18:10] <EpZwei> Thanks for your help.
  103. [14:29:05] <Peng> You're welcome. :)
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  105. [14:35:19] <Hartimerzord> hi
  106. [14:36:18] <Hartimerzord> has anyone sucessfully installed a openid server on wamp?
  107. [14:48:29] <Peng> Hehe, "wamp" is a funny word.
  108. [14:48:30] <Peng> Sorry.
  109. [14:57:36] <Hartimerzord> lol :)
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  112. [15:22:52] <EpZwei> Hmm, thats an nice idea to install local an openId server.
  113. [15:23:10] <EpZwei> And Using dyndns
  114. [15:23:18] <Peng> Meh, I just delegate to another IDP.
  115. [15:25:00] <EpZwei> But when you using the local variant, u have the power about your inforamtion and not the idp
  116. [15:25:40] <EpZwei> But whats going on, when sb use your ID and the host isn'T reachable?
  117. [15:32:07] <Peng> I bet my server would be down a lot more often than MyOpenID.
  118. [15:32:18] <Peng> Wait, if I delegate, that means two points of failure.
  119. [15:32:45] <Peng> If MyOpenID went down, I'd uncomment four lines of code and swtich to VeriSign's PIP.
  120. [15:37:50] <trel1023> or with xrds, you'd have auto-failover if myopenid went down
  121. [15:39:43] <Makenshi> i use id.mydomain.com which is currently a cname for www.own-id.com, and is delegated to myid.pip...
  122. [15:46:50] <Hartimerzord> EpZwei i'm working on a localhost environment. i'm using openid for study purposes. i already managed to "install" the server on my pc, the problem is, everytime i run the consumer example, whichever identity i fill in returns to me an error: "Authentication error; not a valid OpenID."
  123. [15:51:52] <EpZwei> Hmmm, next Semester i'll build a local server on java ... if there is no other idea :D
  124. [15:53:16] <EpZwei> When it is still working it will be opensource! But know i have to write my paper about digital identitys
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  126. [15:55:04] <Makenshi> What gets me about openid is its reliance on HTTP
  127. [15:55:32] <Hartimerzord> i cant work with openid yet :/ i'm so sad
  128. [15:59:34] <radix> Makenshi: you mean the fact that the authentication implementation uses HTTP, or that it assumes you're authenticating a web app?
  129. [16:03:49] <Makenshi> radix: for the authentication, it is very long winded
  130. [16:11:12] <Hartimerzord> Could anyone give me an example of an OpenID URL? is it something like "http://myhost.home/php-openid-2.0.0/examples/server/server.php/idpage?user=USERNAME" ?
  131. [16:15:08] <Makenshi> Hartimerzord: it can be any http url, so yes that may be a valid openid
  132. [16:15:13] <Makenshi> it is rather long winded though
  133. [16:16:01] <Hartimerzord> i'm trying to figure out a OpenID URL that works with the consumer example that comes with the package.... couldn't find any still :/
  134. [16:18:59] <radix> http://radix.twistedmatrix.com/ is another OpenID URL :-)
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  136. [16:20:54] <jibot> Skwid_ is cool
  137. [16:22:28] <Hartimerzord> just a question, might be stupid but still... For instance, OpenID is usefull if what i wnat is, in my webpage, show content only if the person trying to do so is authenticated in the openID server? otherwise redirect to the OpenID server so that person can authenticate himself?
  138. [16:22:51] <Makenshi> Hartimerzord: yes, exactly.
  139. [16:24:06] <Hartimerzord> i definitly need to get an example working :S i'm missing the part where i will create users, and worst, how to put my website checking the openID authentication...
  140. [16:24:12] <Hartimerzord> thks for the tip anyway Makenshi
  141. [16:27:05] <radix> Hartimerzord: well, ok, "create users" is sometimes a tricky question
  142. [16:27:56] <radix> Hartimerzord: the idea of OpenID is that the user already has their identity somewhere else, like at myopenid.com or on some other identity provider. all you have to do is check to see if that when they say they are "radix.twistedmatrix.com", that they really are radix.twistedmatrix.com.
  143. [16:28:23] <radix> Hartimerzord: If you want to store other data, like personal data or authorization data, that's something you'll have to do locally, but you won't need to have your own authentication database.
  144. [16:28:30] <radix> (note carefully my distinction between authorization and authentication)
  145. [16:28:56] <Hartimerzord> i saw the difference
  146. [16:29:26] <Hartimerzord> question 1 is, how does my website check that "radix.twistedmatrix.com" is himself for real?
  147. [16:29:39] <radix> Hartimerzord: by using one of the openid libraries :)
  148. [16:29:50] <radix> from: http://openidenabled.com/
  149. [16:29:56] <Hartimerzord> i'm using JanRain PHP OpenID library
  150. [16:30:15] <Hartimerzord> and i'm trying to configure a consumer... and i'm stuck in that step :S
  151. [16:31:05] <Hartimerzord> i am building both a server and a consumer (using the examples given in that library). but was not able to get the consumer running yet..
  152. [16:31:12] <radix> ok. I'm not really familiar with the PHP library. Presumably it's similar to the python one, where you have a step where you look up the provider and redirect the user there, and a step when you get a later request from the user with authentication data and you pass that to another function from the library.
  153. [16:34:39] <Hartimerzord> apparently, as far as i understood, the first step was done with the inclusion of the tag <link rel="openid.server" href="http://myopenidserver.com/server.php" /> in the head of my website's index.php file
  154. [16:34:54] <Hartimerzord> but i'm missing the part about how that is done
  155. [16:35:10] <Hartimerzord> i will keep trying.. and keep you posted
  156. [16:36:01] <radix> Hartimerzord: uhh... I don't think that's related to what you want to do
  157. [16:36:24] <radix> Hartimerzord: you don't need to add that <link> to your web site if you want to be an OpenID consumer
  158. [16:36:24] <Hartimerzord> :/
  159. [16:36:47] <Hartimerzord> what is needed then?
  160. [16:37:30] <radix> Hartimerzord: to use the OpenID consumer library :-)
  161. [16:37:45] <radix> Hartimerzord: I could read the documentation for the PHP consumer library and tell you, but I want to keep my sanity a bit longer today
  162. [16:38:06] <Hartimerzord> lolol and it would be asking for to much from my part :)
  163. [16:38:09] <Peng> trel1023: Good point. I haven't bothered to learn how to do that yet, especially since I think I'd have to copy my IDP's XRDS files to mine, even though they could change.
  164. [16:38:14] <Hartimerzord> i will try to find the way
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  167. [17:15:35] <keturn> my, it's a busy morning here in #openid
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  169. [17:21:09] <Hartimerzord> its evening right here actually
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  175. [17:59:59] <jibot> Skwid_ is cool
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  188. [20:27:55] <bcrom> c
  189. [20:27:58] <bcrom> hello
  190. [20:28:02] <bcrom> anyone here?
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  195. [20:53:39] <jibot> Skwid_ is cool
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