IRC Log for #openid on 2007-12-20
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- [00:18:17] <donomo>
ah, 'nickname'
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- [00:48:53] <PibbRelay>
<Blueberry> Nickname is the closest thing
- [00:49:04] <PibbRelay>
<Blueberry> the whole idea is that the openid address is their username..
- [00:50:12] <donomo>
yeah. that means i have a url like /users/username%xxopenidserver.com/edit
- [00:50:45] <donomo>
/users/nickname/edit is nicer, but it'll be optional
- [00:50:45] <PibbRelay>
<Blueberry> that's fine
- [00:51:06] <PibbRelay>
<Blueberry> it's not a good idea as nicknames are not unique
- [00:51:16] <PibbRelay>
<Blueberry> what if two people come to your site with the same nickname?
- [00:51:26] <donomo>
neither are openids unless you enforce uniqueness :)
- [00:51:33] <PibbRelay>
<Blueberry> if you're using some kind of database software you can use the row number of their record.. /users/123/edit...
- [00:51:44] <donomo>
yeah i like database IDs even less
- [00:51:47] <PibbRelay>
<Blueberry> openid's certainly are unique
- [00:51:58] <PibbRelay>
<Blueberry> that's what authentication provides for
- [00:52:05] <donomo>
im saying any field could be made unique if the website enforces it
- [00:52:39] <PibbRelay>
<Blueberry> it's not openid if it's not authenticated, thus not openid if not unique
- [00:53:34] <PibbRelay>
<Blueberry> if your website enforces nicknames being unique, your website will be very annoying. one of the problems openid solves is having to come up with a unique username for every website and ending up with all different usernames all over the place
- [00:54:19] <PibbRelay>
<Blueberry> If you just want to use openid as an authentication option for standard 'come register a unique username!' style accounts, you can do that, but it seems like a step back to me
- [00:54:49] <PibbRelay>
<ozamosi> Semi-random but still pronounceable ascii-characters ftw! :)
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- [00:55:52] <PibbRelay>
<Blueberry> do a hexidecimal version of the database id row..
- [00:56:32] <PibbRelay>
<Blueberry> it's easy to type, short, efficient, looks reasonably tidy, and never forces users to come up with new unique identifiers for themselves
- [00:56:55] <PibbRelay>
<Blueberry> use nicknames to represent them, but don't enforce nicknames to be unique, use the openid address as the unique thing
- [00:57:18] <PibbRelay>
<Blueberry> and use hex internally in url's and stuff for tidyness
- [00:57:43] <PibbRelay>
<Blueberry> also, the hex will be more efficient to lookup in your database than matching the full openid string
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- [11:14:49] <jibot>
Skwid_ is cool
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- [17:21:48] * Mitsurugi pira a entrenar
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- [19:13:46] <Peng>
Pibb: ping
- [19:14:04] <Peng>
I'd been waiting for hours to do that...
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- [19:15:43] <donomo>
is there a changelog for the ruby-openid 2.0.1 gem?
- [19:16:03] <donomo>
a routine gem freshening picked up on the new gem this morning
- [19:26:10] <_keturn>
I think "add changelog to gemspec" is one of the things that will be in 2.0.2
- [19:26:39] <_keturn>
and due to the way we build our changelogs, the changelog for 2.0.2 will not include the changelog for 2.0.1. so you will never know!
- [19:27:50] <_keturn>
but actually, I think the only functional change is fixing examples/discover. the rest was minor changes to documentation.
- [19:49:15] <donomo>
ok cool
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- [21:46:16] <forsaken>
is there a good tutorial/docs that explain openid from a devel/implementation perspective? (I'm trying to build on top of python-openid and want to understand whats going on, the nonces, return_to stuff, etc.)?
- [21:46:32] <forsaken>
also does python-openid 2.0 support attritube exchange
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- [22:00:10] <forsaken>
(i see it does)
- [22:05:54] <_keturn>
forsaken: hm. well, aside the code and the spec, there are many people who have written blog posts along the lines of "this is how OpenID works, let me try to draw a picture..."
- [22:06:07] <_keturn>
you can probably find some of those on the openid.net wiki.
- [22:06:16] <_keturn>
aside from that, ask questions here
- [22:06:39] <forsaken>
hmm okay
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