IRC Log for #openid on 2008-01-13

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  12. [00:45:35] <PibbRelay> <keturn> both. it'll use 2.0 when communicating with another 2.0 program.
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  30. [03:44:11] <lorph> hello
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  32. [03:49:04] <lorph> can someone explain openid
  33. [03:49:14] <lorph> and if i should bother to incorporate it into a site
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  38. [04:04:25] <PibbRelay> <Trevor Johns> lorph: OpenID lets you use a single username and password across any site on the Internet (assuming that the site supports OpenID).
  39. [04:05:50] <PibbRelay> <Trevor Johns> If your site asks users to login, then I'd say yes, definitely incorporate it! Though, keep in mind I'm biased. :)
  40. [04:07:06] <lorph> is there a page that explains this
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  42. [04:07:15] <lorph> who does the authentication
  43. [04:07:25] <lorph> where is the password stored
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  45. [04:08:20] <PibbRelay> <Trevor Johns> All of the information is on openid.net. Wikipedia has some good information too (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenID).
  46. [04:08:56] <PibbRelay> <Trevor Johns> The way it works is that users are given a URL as a username
  47. [04:09:44] <PibbRelay> <Trevor Johns> It could be their own website/blog, or they could get an account at a dedicated OpenID provider like myOpenID.com or pip.verisignlabs.com
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  49. [04:10:20] <PibbRelay> <Trevor Johns> The server associated with that URL is responsible for storing the password and authenticating the user
  50. [04:11:57] <PibbRelay> <Trevor Johns> Then there's a protocol that lets the user's server tell your server that they've authenticated themselves. (There are libraries out there that implement all of this, so you don't have to write it all from scratch.)
  51. [04:13:49] <PibbRelay> <bluesmoon> i'm stuck trying to find a source of randomness - my server admin won't give me access to /dev/random or /dev/urandom
  52. [04:16:57] <PibbRelay> <Trevor Johns> bluesmoon: That's odd. Any reason why they won't let you use it?
  53. [04:18:12] <PibbRelay> <bluesmoon> open_basedir restrictions
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  55. [04:18:20] <jibot> cygnus is WorkerBee(name="Jonathan Daugherty", company="JanRain, Inc.")
  56. [04:18:25] <PibbRelay> <bluesmoon> they only let me access stuff under my directory and the main pear directory
  57. [04:18:48] <PibbRelay> <bluesmoon> and /dev isn't
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  59. [04:19:41] <PibbRelay> <Trevor Johns> Is it just within PHP, or have they limited your shell access too? If you can access /dev from your shell, you could create a symlink.
  60. [04:19:54] <PibbRelay> <bluesmoon> i don't have shell access - only ftp
  61. [04:20:08] <PibbRelay> <bluesmoon> let me try a perl script
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  63. [04:23:53] <PibbRelay> <Trevor Johns> Oh, nevermind, I just checked the PHP manual. Seems they thought of that trick.
  64. [04:26:11] <PibbRelay> <cygnus> That sucks. :(
  65. [04:27:01] <PibbRelay> <Trevor Johns> You could always rewrite it to call rand() instead of accessing /dev/(u)random, though I'm not sure what the security implications of that would be
  66. [04:28:51] <PibbRelay> <bluesmoon> this is the janrain detect script that i'm working with
  67. [04:28:52] <PibbRelay> <bluesmoon> it wants /dev/urandom
  68. [04:31:22] <PibbRelay> <cygnus> You can define Auth_OpenID_RAND_SOURCE as null before you import the library code into your application, in which case a pseudo-random number generator will be used as a fallback.
  69. [04:31:50] <PibbRelay> <cygnus> And since this is on a hosting provider without access to /dev, I think I can assume it's a non-critical app.
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  71. [04:34:06] <PibbRelay> <bluesmoon> right
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  74. [04:45:45] <PibbRelay> <bluesmoon> ok, what's missing: http://bluesmoon.info/openid/php-openid-2.0.0/examples/detect.php
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  76. [04:45:57] <PibbRelay> <bluesmoon> it says setup incomplete
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  78. [04:46:47] <PibbRelay> <cygnus> that's due to the RAND_SOURCE being null.
  79. [04:46:48] <PibbRelay> <cygnus> otherwise, it looks good
  80. [04:46:58] <PibbRelay> <Trevor Johns> SSL support is also missing
  81. [04:47:35] <PibbRelay> <bluesmoon> yup, i know that
  82. [04:47:36] <PibbRelay> <cygnus> Yeah, although that doesn't constitute an incomplete setup for detect.php.
  83. [04:47:46] <PibbRelay> <cygnus> I suppose neither should RAND_SOURCE=null.
  84. [04:48:37] <PibbRelay> <bluesmoon> so i can go ahead and implement my server
  85. [04:50:34] <PibbRelay> <bluesmoon> i think i'll go get dinner first and do the rest from home.
  86. [04:50:48] <PibbRelay> <cygnus> You can, but the lack of good randomness is even worse for a server, so I'd again caution against doing anything important with it.
  87. [04:51:32] <PibbRelay> <bluesmoon> well, i'll be the only person on this server
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  89. [05:05:00] <lorph> whats pibbrelay
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  91. [05:05:30] <PibbRelay> <cygnus> it's a bot that relays messages between freenode's #openid channel and Pibb.com's "OpenID" channel
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  100. [06:45:04] <srogers> Hi all - I'm going back into a Rails project I haven't updated in about 6 months - bringing everything up to Rails 2 - using the EastMedia Restful Open ID Authentication plugin, and I'm getting an error on OpenID::Store
  101. [06:45:51] <srogers> It doesn't seem to be defined anymore in the latest version of the ruby-openid gem
  102. [06:46:35] <srogers> OpenID::Consumer, for example, is there, but OpenID::Store is not - anyone else run into this?
  103. [06:53:00] <donomo> srogers: OpenID::Store::Filesystem
  104. [06:53:33] <donomo> gems/ruby-openid-2.0.2/lib/o
  105. [06:53:40] <donomo> bah.
  106. [06:53:55] <donomo> gems/ruby-openid-2.0.2/lib/openid/store/ => filesystem.rb interface.rb memory.rb nonce.rb
  107. [06:54:55] <srogers> So is that something that needs to be updated in the EastMedia plugin?
  108. [06:58:50] <donomo> srogers: i imagine so. might be best to go back to the openid gem you were using before
  109. [06:59:07] <donomo> srogers: or patch the eastmedia gem. i havent seen that one before.
  110. [06:59:19] <srogers> Yeah - I was using this one before - it looks like the world moved out from underneath it
  111. [06:59:40] <srogers> http://identity.eastmedia.com/identity/show/Restful%20OpenID%20Authentication
  112. [07:05:06] <srogers> IS there something else more obviously mainstream?
  113. [07:05:40] <donomo> i haven't done an openid server before, just 'requesting parties'
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  117. [07:21:59] <srogers> Maybe this one is better: http://agilewebdevelopment.com/plugins/openidauthentication ?
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  190. [16:20:02] <ricky> Hey, I remember seeing an online openid test consumer some time ago (it did specific checks for the complaince of a provider).
  191. [16:20:09] <ricky> Would anybody possibly have a link to that?
  192. [16:20:47] <ricky> Aha, I think I found it (http://openidenabled.com/resources/openid-test/checkup)
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  223. [22:29:13] <jibot> miyagawa is Tatsuhiko Miyagawa, the author of Plagger <http://plagger.org> and works on Vox <http://www.vox.com> in Six Apart.
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