IRC Log for #openid on 2008-01-26

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  4. [00:10:36] <cygnus> Hi, dude_.
  5. [00:10:50] <dude_> hello
  6. [00:10:57] <cygnus> What's up?
  7. [00:11:00] <cygnus> (with the PHP library.)
  8. [00:11:03] <dude_> i implemented the janrain php openid 2.0 library
  9. [00:11:28] <dude_> when i try to login with yahoo.com it telsls me that the client is not openid 2.0
  10. [00:11:54] <dude_> exact error: Sorry! You will not be able to login to this website as it is using an older version of the the OpenID technology. Yahoo! only supports OpenID 2.0 because it is more secure.
  11. [00:12:49] <dude_> I looked through the documentation for the php library to see wher eI'm supposed to tell it which version of OpenID to use , it appears it detects taht automatically
  12. [00:13:23] <cygnus> Yeah, that's right.
  13. [00:13:44] <dude_> Oh so Jainrain library is not OpenID 2.0 compalient?
  14. [00:13:53] <cygnus> No, it is.
  15. [00:14:01] <cygnus> The PHP library does send an OpenID 2 request.
  16. [00:14:12] <cygnus> But... clearly it isn't working (I tried the demo RP on openidenabled.com).
  17. [00:14:48] <cygnus> The python demo RP worked, though, so it does seem to be an issue with the PHP library.
  18. [00:14:55] <cygnus> I'll take a look
  19. [00:16:00] <cygnus> Once it starts working, though, it still won't work completely; Yahoo hasn't actually launched OpenID support. So you'll get this message: " Hey there! You have stopped by a bit sooner than we had expected. This feature is still being tested, so please check back later."
  20. [00:16:53] <dude_> Well i am concerned because my server is not getting that message, its getting the it's not an openid 2.0 complaint srever...
  21. [00:17:23] <cygnus> Yeah, I'm going to look into that problem in a minute
  22. [00:17:50] <cygnus> I was just trying to clarify that the support isn't even fully there (and who knows, maybe this is a Yahoo bug).
  23. [00:18:32] <dude_> oh true, I thikn they said it would not be live until the 30th
  24. [00:19:21] <dude_> I did some searching though and my theory is that yahoo will only be supporting openid relying parties that are hosted on SSL with valid certs.
  25. [00:19:43] <dude_> not sure though, it is hard to take what is on blogs seroiusly
  26. [00:21:40] <dude_> actually I read that on Betanews.com
  27. [00:22:47] <dude_> oh nevermind, its for the RP to fetch the information over SSL, my CURL lib is good to go
  28. [00:23:26] <dude_> well if you're interested, In checking out the site, http://forum.podcastfaq.com
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  34. [01:03:23] <cygnus> dude_, we're going to talk to yahoo about the behavior you reported. Since Yahoo's service isn't ready yet, I wouldn't expect it to work until they officially announce it. At any rate, thanks a ton for letting me know. :) You can reach me at cygnus@janrain.com or the Dev list mentioned in the /topic.
  35. [01:05:04] <brett> hey does the developer of phpMyID hang out in here?
  36. [01:05:23] <cygnus> Hmm, not that I recall.
  37. [01:05:31] <brett> ahh, I'll just mail him
  38. [01:05:40] <brett> note that passwords with '$' in them don't work
  39. [01:05:48] <cygnus> yikes!
  40. [01:06:02] <cygnus> I usually discourage the use of phpMyID. :(
  41. [01:06:08] <brett> Why?
  42. [01:06:25] <brett> I mean other than it's pretty much an abomination
  43. [01:06:38] <cygnus> We've found it to have some security flaws, and when I looked at it, it was an incomplete implementation of OpenID
  44. [01:06:45] <brett> huh
  45. [01:06:54] <brett> Well the idea is good at least.
  46. [01:06:59] * cygnus nods
  47. [01:07:32] <cygnus> Although it all depends on the security of wherever you're hosting it. :-/
  48. [01:07:47] * brett thinks about re-writing it in python
  49. [01:07:53] <brett> Oh?
  50. [01:08:08] <brett> Sure I guess if people can read your include or whatever
  51. [01:11:42] <cygnus> At any rate, if you're considering doing that sort of thing in Python, then you should check out the openidenabled.com Python library, if you haven't already. You can use it to write both RP (consumer) and OP (server) code.
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  53. [01:17:22] <brett> oh definitely
  54. [01:17:28] <brett> alright time for beer.
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  57. [01:21:28] <dude_> I haven't been on IRC in years, this is my first time on IRC using Chatzilla plugin, works pretty well
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  66. [05:15:33] <Bill_Gates> anyone would like to implement openID on my site ?
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  73. [07:02:30] <Bill_Gates> anyone would like to implement openID on my site ?
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  104. [17:32:24] <donomo> Bill_Gates: what site is that? microsoft.com? :)
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  112. [18:43:11] <Pure_BY> Hey people
  113. [18:43:21] <Pure_BY> Anyone alive?
  114. [18:44:21] <keturn> maybe
  115. [18:44:27] <Pure_BY> Nice
  116. [18:45:05] <Pure_BY> Well, I am new to OpenID and I'll appreciate it, if somene can help me out with that stuf
  117. [18:46:24] <Pure_BY> �
  118. [18:46:31] <keturn> Feel free to ask questions here. Sometimes it takes folks a while to wake up and notice there's traffic in the channel, but it's a pretty knowledgeable bunch.
  119. [18:51:26] <Pure_BY> Oke, thanks. Well, the thing is: I have a Blogger account (since short it provides OpenID), i have a LJ account (it also provides OpenID).
  120. [18:51:26] <Pure_BY> Now I have 2 differen OpenID's, right? What sence does it make?
  121. [18:54:03] <keturn> and you may end up with that, as more internet companies decide they want to offer them.
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  123. [18:55:53] <keturn> To some degree it can be useful to have more than one, in case one of the servers happens to go down or something, but it can get pretty silly. (I have at least four or five at the moment.)
  124. [18:56:13] <Pure_BY> So, actually, the popularity of OpenID works self-destructive? (the main idea was: have one ID to login to everywhere). Isn't that really stupid? :-)))
  125. [18:57:08] <keturn> Kinda. But you can pick one or two you trust the most and more or less ignore the others.
  126. [18:57:09] <Pure_BY> I mean, why do I need a different OpenID from each company, if I can register a different account at every company? What makes a difference.
  127. [18:58:05] <Makenshi> Yes, the problem is that the big sites like to be providers, but not so much consumers
  128. [18:58:42] <Makenshi> They would all rather you have to visit their site first, presumably because it is in their interest to be the master of your information (and perhaps advertising revenue as well)
  129. [18:59:05] <Makenshi> Yahoo is supposedly going to become a consumer in the future
  130. [19:00:35] <Makenshi> I would be interested to hear if there are any commercial providers, or at least ones which provide some form of guarantee
  131. [19:03:13] <Pure_BY> well, i think the ones that do not provide guarantee will also not provide openID support, because they won't get the data themselvs, right?
  132. [19:04:17] <keturn> I haven't heard of anyone who explicitly provide any kind of service-level agreements to the mass market. But then, my internet provider and e-mail host don't provide service guarantees either, so it's sort of par for the course in the consumer world.
  133. [19:05:50] <Pure_BY> I'm not a critic, i spent whole day trying to understand why openID is so good, trying to use one myself etc., but I still do not find any reason, why it would make my life easier, or why it is revolutionary better.
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  135. [19:08:58] <keturn> the reason I like most personally is that it means I don't have copies of my login credentials stored at a hundred different sites across the internet. that wouldn't be such a big deal if I really used a different password for every single site, but I don't, and I don't think most other people do either.
  136. [19:10:56] <keturn> and the fact that OpenID providers specialize in authentication means that they can explore using different auth mechanisms that are harder to forge -- from hardware tokens to infocards to voice auth -- and I can pick the one that works best for me, and all the little websites never need to be bothered about the details of how that works.
  137. [19:12:04] <Pure_BY> well, thanks for answering my questions
  138. [19:12:15] <Pure_BY> I gtg now. Have a nice evening!
  139. [19:12:49] <Pure_BY> :)
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  153. [21:56:18] <dbounds> hi
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