IRC Log for #openid on 2008-03-15

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  51. [22:21:31] <Jared5552> wondering, am I the only person that thinks it is kind of stupid that openid is supposed to be a single centralized login but many people probably already have 2, 3, 4+ of them?
  52. [22:22:52] <Chaz6> The problem is when sites implement support as an iDP and not a consumer, because they want to make themselves your provider, which ends up making the thing rather pointless :/
  53. [22:24:14] <TedThibodeauJr> which is why they should all implement as both provider and consumer, and allow you to specify openID aliases (so you can auth as any on any)
  54. [22:25:10] <TedThibodeauJr> some may eventually settle out as preferred providers, if they offer enough other features
  55. [22:25:14] <Chaz6> They should, yes! But try telling them :/
  56. [22:25:27] <TedThibodeauJr> here I am! listen to me tell! :-)
  57. [22:25:29] <Chaz6> And those that implement support as a consumer shouldn't treat openid users any differently
  58. [22:25:42] <Chaz6> Ironically the creator of OpenID is guilty of that
  59. [22:26:27] <Jared5552> other than 'this user is a valid person', how much data do the providers give to websites?
  60. [22:26:34] <TedThibodeauJr> correct -- and in fact they should only replace the UID/PWD piece with OpenID consumption -- letting you import *or* specify nickname and other OpenID importable values
  61. [22:26:58] <TedThibodeauJr> OpenID lets you import a bunch of stuff, depending on how the provider has been set up, and what the consumer asks for
  62. [22:27:36] <Chaz6> Jared5552, you can choose how much information you want to send to the consumer website
  63. [22:28:31] <TedThibodeauJr> providers *should* let the user specify how much (optimally down to each value for each field, where fields may be multiply valued) they want to deliver to each consumer
  64. [22:28:45] <TedThibodeauJr> as it stands, the provider usually decides on its own
  65. [22:29:09] <TedThibodeauJr> and it's up to the consumer to decide whether to do anything with it
  66. [22:29:17] <Jared5552> thinking about implementing some form of my own centralized login system, mainly just because of issues with most of the other systems I have seen :(
  67. [22:30:29] <TedThibodeauJr> why not build yours on OpenID?
  68. [22:30:32] <Jared5552> for example.... what happens to my access to all of my websites if suddenly the provider I use drops off the face of the earth
  69. [22:30:53] <TedThibodeauJr> that example is one of the reasons for the aliasing I mentioned earlier
  70. [22:31:28] <Jared5552> TedThibodeauJr, not saying I wouldn't integrate it with the openid system to some extent, just saying that I will probably be doing something similar (although allowing for people to link in an openid account)
  71. [22:31:58] <TedThibodeauJr> for instance, I might want to tell flickr that I'm the same whether I auth with LJ, MyOpenLink, Google, Yahoo, or other-based OpenID -- and so I want to enter the same account
  72. [22:32:54] <TedThibodeauJr> thing is -- I have the same worry about my other sites if *you* drop off the net, as about your site if my *other* provider falls...
  73. [22:34:08] <Jared5552> can't get into too much detail but with the design I have planned, at least, me dropping off the net wouldn't have much of any effect
  74. [22:45:34] <TedThibodeauJr> hrm. that means that all users would use your system only for your sites, but could also use OpenID ?
  75. [22:47:00] <Jared5552> probably acting as an openid provider too, but just extending it quite a bit
  76. [22:47:23] <Jared5552> hard to explain
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