IRC Log for #openid on 2008-03-15
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- [22:21:31] <Jared5552>
wondering, am I the only person that thinks it is kind of stupid that openid is supposed to be a single centralized login but many people probably already have 2, 3, 4+ of them?
- [22:22:52] <Chaz6>
The problem is when sites implement support as an iDP and not a consumer, because they want to make themselves your provider, which ends up making the thing rather pointless :/
- [22:24:14] <TedThibodeauJr>
which is why they should all implement as both provider and consumer, and allow you to specify openID aliases (so you can auth as any on any)
- [22:25:10] <TedThibodeauJr>
some may eventually settle out as preferred providers, if they offer enough other features
- [22:25:14] <Chaz6>
They should, yes! But try telling them :/
- [22:25:27] <TedThibodeauJr>
here I am! listen to me tell! :-)
- [22:25:29] <Chaz6>
And those that implement support as a consumer shouldn't treat openid users any differently
- [22:25:42] <Chaz6>
Ironically the creator of OpenID is guilty of that
- [22:26:27] <Jared5552>
other than 'this user is a valid person', how much data do the providers give to websites?
- [22:26:34] <TedThibodeauJr>
correct -- and in fact they should only replace the UID/PWD piece with OpenID consumption -- letting you import *or* specify nickname and other OpenID importable values
- [22:26:58] <TedThibodeauJr>
OpenID lets you import a bunch of stuff, depending on how the provider has been set up, and what the consumer asks for
- [22:27:36] <Chaz6>
Jared5552, you can choose how much information you want to send to the consumer website
- [22:28:31] <TedThibodeauJr>
providers *should* let the user specify how much (optimally down to each value for each field, where fields may be multiply valued) they want to deliver to each consumer
- [22:28:45] <TedThibodeauJr>
as it stands, the provider usually decides on its own
- [22:29:09] <TedThibodeauJr>
and it's up to the consumer to decide whether to do anything with it
- [22:29:17] <Jared5552>
thinking about implementing some form of my own centralized login system, mainly just because of issues with most of the other systems I have seen :(
- [22:30:29] <TedThibodeauJr>
why not build yours on OpenID?
- [22:30:32] <Jared5552>
for example.... what happens to my access to all of my websites if suddenly the provider I use drops off the face of the earth
- [22:30:53] <TedThibodeauJr>
that example is one of the reasons for the aliasing I mentioned earlier
- [22:31:28] <Jared5552>
TedThibodeauJr, not saying I wouldn't integrate it with the openid system to some extent, just saying that I will probably be doing something similar (although allowing for people to link in an openid account)
- [22:31:58] <TedThibodeauJr>
for instance, I might want to tell flickr that I'm the same whether I auth with LJ, MyOpenLink, Google, Yahoo, or other-based OpenID -- and so I want to enter the same account
- [22:32:54] <TedThibodeauJr>
thing is -- I have the same worry about my other sites if *you* drop off the net, as about your site if my *other* provider falls...
- [22:34:08] <Jared5552>
can't get into too much detail but with the design I have planned, at least, me dropping off the net wouldn't have much of any effect
- [22:45:34] <TedThibodeauJr>
hrm. that means that all users would use your system only for your sites, but could also use OpenID ?
- [22:47:00] <Jared5552>
probably acting as an openid provider too, but just extending it quite a bit
- [22:47:23] <Jared5552>
hard to explain
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