IRC Log for #openid on 2008-03-23
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- [01:58:51] <SvenDowideit_>
lulurun_, http://distributedinformation.com/svn/projects/TWiki/OpenIDUserContrib/lib/CPAN/
- [01:59:16] <SvenDowideit_>
I did a little work fixing the Janrain openid cpan module
- [01:59:24] <SvenDowideit_>
consumer side only atm
- [01:59:50] <SvenDowideit_>
could do with some help - so far the openid people seem to be pretty disinterested in perl
- [02:02:18] <lulu_>
yes, I think so, I like perl, so I want to improve its implementation
- [02:02:27] <lulu_>
I will look at them, thank you
- [02:03:16] <lulu_>
SvenDowideit_: it is your own project ?
- [02:03:23] <SvenDowideit_>
ish
- [02:03:40] <SvenDowideit_>
janrain released a perl port of their 1.1 php openid code
- [02:03:55] <SvenDowideit_>
and its the most modern open id for perl that exists
- [02:04:02] <SvenDowideit_>
but it had taint bugs
- [02:04:11] <SvenDowideit_>
that I fixed in that svn repos
- [02:04:43] <SvenDowideit_>
and when talking to Dag (the original author) he indicated that we'd be best to fork, rename and replace the janrain one
- [02:04:57] <SvenDowideit_>
i've pretty much had not enough time to take it further
- [02:06:03] <lulu_>
OK, and the path name in the project is .../Net/Openid11/...
- [02:06:17] <lulu_>
why not "openid2"
- [02:06:19] <SvenDowideit_>
y, i renamed it
- [02:06:25] <SvenDowideit_>
cos its not openid2
- [02:06:29] <SvenDowideit_>
its just 1.1
- [02:06:44] <SvenDowideit_>
i know rather little about openid, as i just want to use it
- [02:06:55] <SvenDowideit_>
so i don't know whats missing to make it 2
- [02:07:25] <SvenDowideit_>
1.1 has the registration attribute extensions i needed :)
- [02:07:36] <SvenDowideit_>
(and this dates from before 2 was finished)
- [02:11:34] <lulu_>
I think for openid1 there is already working lib in cpan
- [02:11:42] <SvenDowideit_>
thats 1.0 only
- [02:12:00] <SvenDowideit_>
or at least, the last time i read brad's one
- [02:12:14] <SvenDowideit_>
it does not have support for 1.1 and the attribute extensions
- [02:12:23] <SvenDowideit_>
so its only useful for authentication
- [02:15:40] <lulu_>
"attribute extensions" means "openid.sreg.*"
- [02:17:01] <SvenDowideit_>
sounds right
- [02:17:47] <SvenDowideit_>
Net::Openid11 is based on Net::OpenID::JanRain
- [02:18:35] <SvenDowideit_>
which sadly is as abandoned as the lie that is the sxip perl modules
- [02:25:10] <lulu_>
http://code.sixapart.com/svn/openid/branches/openid2/perl/
- [02:25:18] <SvenDowideit_>
y, that
- [02:25:30] <SvenDowideit_>
great press release, no actual functioning code
- [02:25:40] <SvenDowideit_>
wonderful way to totally prevent progress
- [02:26:24] <keturn>
you'll want a 2.0 implementation if you want to accept Yahoo! logins
- [02:26:50] <SvenDowideit_>
way to go. openid2's not backwards compatible?
- [02:27:16] <lulu_>
yes not backwards compatible
- [02:27:42] <SvenDowideit_>
mind you, I'm not that bothered - there was lots of asking for openid support in twiki, and i did quite a bit of work to make it happen
- [02:27:49] <SvenDowideit_>
but i don't think anyones actually using it
- [02:28:22] <SvenDowideit_>
lots of hot air, but no real substance from my (very tiny) perspective
- [02:31:29] <lulu_>
but still, it is posible to write 1 lib to handle both of the versions
- [02:32:18] <SvenDowideit_>
tis a bit of a shame that anyone that was an earily adopter and used 1 now has to re-do using 2
- [02:32:42] <SvenDowideit_>
and that the 'big supporters' of openid haven't done anything for perl
- [02:33:18] <lulu_>
yes, I agree with you, however, I would like to write a perl module for openid, I will look at your code and try to improve it :>
- [02:33:18] <SvenDowideit_>
i was hoping that converting the 1.1 module to 2.0 might be plausible
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- [02:34:06] <keturn>
yahoo has explicitly chosen not to work with 1.0 implementations. 2.0 introduces features that yahoo considered to be a requirement for their use.
- [02:34:11] <SvenDowideit_>
but given the lack of need for my clients, i've not got enough time for that - even assuming its a reasonable way to go
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- [02:34:28] <SvenDowideit_>
keturn, fairy-snuff too
- [02:35:43] <SvenDowideit_>
i think the most frustrating thing has been sxip's lie - about how they were working hard to make a new perl module
- [02:36:01] <SvenDowideit_>
when in reality they havn't done much at all in (how long now?? 2 years)
- [02:36:25] <SvenDowideit_>
that press release seems to have stopped quite a few other people from doing their own
- [02:36:43] <SvenDowideit_>
because they thought it would just get made redundant
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- [02:37:22] <SvenDowideit_>
lulu_, and by that i mean - blooming marvelous that you're motivated to have a go
- [02:38:54] <lulu_>
: >
- [02:40:49] <lulu_>
sxip is the project starter of openID4perl ?
- [02:41:10] <SvenDowideit_>
y
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- [02:42:37] <lulu_>
y, really a "lie", though there maybe a reason ...
- [02:42:57] <SvenDowideit_>
y, they got busy on their real products :)
- [02:43:19] <SvenDowideit_>
i can sympathise, but its pretty much halted openid adoption in the perl community
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- [02:44:08] <SvenDowideit_>
as the social impacts seem pretty major
- [02:45:04] <SvenDowideit_>
pfft - enough sour grapes from me - i didn't deliver the replacement libs either
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TedThibodeauJr is a Technology Evangelist from http://www.openlinksw.com/ and a Troublemaker from Way Back
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evening
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- [16:36:00] <PibbRelay_>
<darren.beemba.com> hello.
- [16:36:29] <flaccid>
evening
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- [16:39:50] <PibbRelay_>
<darren.beemba.com> I don't understand why so many IRC servers still require ident after all these years.
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- [19:45:54] * Mitsurugi hi all
- [19:46:56] <idnar>
darren.beemba.com: I think it's an easy way to stop connections through arbitrary proxies
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- [22:33:53] <dbounds>
most servers do connect back proxy checking
- [22:34:07] <dbounds>
i'm not sure looking for ident services is a good way of identifying proxies
- [22:34:42] <dbounds>
the protocol is essentially useless on the modern day internet
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