IRC Log for #openid on 2008-03-23

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  13. [01:58:51] <SvenDowideit_> lulurun_, http://distributedinformation.com/svn/projects/TWiki/OpenIDUserContrib/lib/CPAN/
  14. [01:59:16] <SvenDowideit_> I did a little work fixing the Janrain openid cpan module
  15. [01:59:24] <SvenDowideit_> consumer side only atm
  16. [01:59:50] <SvenDowideit_> could do with some help - so far the openid people seem to be pretty disinterested in perl
  17. [02:02:18] <lulu_> yes, I think so, I like perl, so I want to improve its implementation
  18. [02:02:27] <lulu_> I will look at them, thank you
  19. [02:03:16] <lulu_> SvenDowideit_: it is your own project ?
  20. [02:03:23] <SvenDowideit_> ish
  21. [02:03:40] <SvenDowideit_> janrain released a perl port of their 1.1 php openid code
  22. [02:03:55] <SvenDowideit_> and its the most modern open id for perl that exists
  23. [02:04:02] <SvenDowideit_> but it had taint bugs
  24. [02:04:11] <SvenDowideit_> that I fixed in that svn repos
  25. [02:04:43] <SvenDowideit_> and when talking to Dag (the original author) he indicated that we'd be best to fork, rename and replace the janrain one
  26. [02:04:57] <SvenDowideit_> i've pretty much had not enough time to take it further
  27. [02:06:03] <lulu_> OK, and the path name in the project is .../Net/Openid11/...
  28. [02:06:17] <lulu_> why not "openid2"
  29. [02:06:19] <SvenDowideit_> y, i renamed it
  30. [02:06:25] <SvenDowideit_> cos its not openid2
  31. [02:06:29] <SvenDowideit_> its just 1.1
  32. [02:06:44] <SvenDowideit_> i know rather little about openid, as i just want to use it
  33. [02:06:55] <SvenDowideit_> so i don't know whats missing to make it 2
  34. [02:07:25] <SvenDowideit_> 1.1 has the registration attribute extensions i needed :)
  35. [02:07:36] <SvenDowideit_> (and this dates from before 2 was finished)
  36. [02:11:34] <lulu_> I think for openid1 there is already working lib in cpan
  37. [02:11:42] <SvenDowideit_> thats 1.0 only
  38. [02:12:00] <SvenDowideit_> or at least, the last time i read brad's one
  39. [02:12:14] <SvenDowideit_> it does not have support for 1.1 and the attribute extensions
  40. [02:12:23] <SvenDowideit_> so its only useful for authentication
  41. [02:15:40] <lulu_> "attribute extensions" means "openid.sreg.*"
  42. [02:17:01] <SvenDowideit_> sounds right
  43. [02:17:47] <SvenDowideit_> Net::Openid11 is based on Net::OpenID::JanRain
  44. [02:18:35] <SvenDowideit_> which sadly is as abandoned as the lie that is the sxip perl modules
  45. [02:25:10] <lulu_> http://code.sixapart.com/svn/openid/branches/openid2/perl/
  46. [02:25:18] <SvenDowideit_> y, that
  47. [02:25:30] <SvenDowideit_> great press release, no actual functioning code
  48. [02:25:40] <SvenDowideit_> wonderful way to totally prevent progress
  49. [02:26:24] <keturn> you'll want a 2.0 implementation if you want to accept Yahoo! logins
  50. [02:26:50] <SvenDowideit_> way to go. openid2's not backwards compatible?
  51. [02:27:16] <lulu_> yes not backwards compatible
  52. [02:27:42] <SvenDowideit_> mind you, I'm not that bothered - there was lots of asking for openid support in twiki, and i did quite a bit of work to make it happen
  53. [02:27:49] <SvenDowideit_> but i don't think anyones actually using it
  54. [02:28:22] <SvenDowideit_> lots of hot air, but no real substance from my (very tiny) perspective
  55. [02:31:29] <lulu_> but still, it is posible to write 1 lib to handle both of the versions
  56. [02:32:18] <SvenDowideit_> tis a bit of a shame that anyone that was an earily adopter and used 1 now has to re-do using 2
  57. [02:32:42] <SvenDowideit_> and that the 'big supporters' of openid haven't done anything for perl
  58. [02:33:18] <lulu_> yes, I agree with you, however, I would like to write a perl module for openid, I will look at your code and try to improve it :>
  59. [02:33:18] <SvenDowideit_> i was hoping that converting the 1.1 module to 2.0 might be plausible
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  61. [02:34:06] <keturn> yahoo has explicitly chosen not to work with 1.0 implementations. 2.0 introduces features that yahoo considered to be a requirement for their use.
  62. [02:34:11] <SvenDowideit_> but given the lack of need for my clients, i've not got enough time for that - even assuming its a reasonable way to go
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  65. [02:34:28] <SvenDowideit_> keturn, fairy-snuff too
  66. [02:35:43] <SvenDowideit_> i think the most frustrating thing has been sxip's lie - about how they were working hard to make a new perl module
  67. [02:36:01] <SvenDowideit_> when in reality they havn't done much at all in (how long now?? 2 years)
  68. [02:36:25] <SvenDowideit_> that press release seems to have stopped quite a few other people from doing their own
  69. [02:36:43] <SvenDowideit_> because they thought it would just get made redundant
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  71. [02:37:22] <SvenDowideit_> lulu_, and by that i mean - blooming marvelous that you're motivated to have a go
  72. [02:38:54] <lulu_> : >
  73. [02:40:49] <lulu_> sxip is the project starter of openID4perl ?
  74. [02:41:10] <SvenDowideit_> y
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  76. [02:42:37] <lulu_> y, really a "lie", though there maybe a reason ...
  77. [02:42:57] <SvenDowideit_> y, they got busy on their real products :)
  78. [02:43:19] <SvenDowideit_> i can sympathise, but its pretty much halted openid adoption in the perl community
  79. [02:43:57] * SvenDowideit_ has serious problems with companies that make pressreleases that they don't deliver on
  80. [02:44:08] <SvenDowideit_> as the social impacts seem pretty major
  81. [02:45:04] <SvenDowideit_> pfft - enough sour grapes from me - i didn't deliver the replacement libs either
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  88. [04:15:57] <jibot> TedThibodeauJr is a Technology Evangelist from http://www.openlinksw.com/ and a Troublemaker from Way Back
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  117. [14:27:24] <flaccid> evening
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  137. [16:36:00] <PibbRelay_> <darren.beemba.com> hello.
  138. [16:36:29] <flaccid> evening
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  140. [16:39:50] <PibbRelay_> <darren.beemba.com> I don't understand why so many IRC servers still require ident after all these years.
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  156. [19:45:54] * Mitsurugi hi all
  157. [19:46:56] <idnar> darren.beemba.com: I think it's an easy way to stop connections through arbitrary proxies
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  166. [22:33:53] <dbounds> most servers do connect back proxy checking
  167. [22:34:07] <dbounds> i'm not sure looking for ident services is a good way of identifying proxies
  168. [22:34:42] <dbounds> the protocol is essentially useless on the modern day internet
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