IRC Log for #openid on 2008-03-25

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  57. [13:37:34] <jibot> TedThibodeauJr is a Technology Evangelist from http://www.openlinksw.com/ and a Troublemaker from Way Back
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  86. [18:04:14] <hassan2> im having trouble with verifying info received from an open id provider...anyone here that can help?
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  88. [18:20:04] <PibbRelay_> <shadowsinthegarden.com> have you tried the openidenabled tests?
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  90. [18:22:19] <hassan2> where can i find those?
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  93. [18:23:53] <jibot> miyagawa is Tatsuhiko Miyagawa, the author of Plagger <http://plagger.org> and works on Vox <http://www.vox.com> in Six Apart.
  94. [18:25:25] <PibbRelay_> <shadowsinthegarden.com> Anyone else here playing with Zend's beta Consumer?
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  96. [18:33:45] <PibbRelay_> <shadowsinthegarden.com> I think I tracked down the bug described here: http://www.nabble.com/How-can-I-get-the-OpenID-delegate--td14537138s16154.html
  97. [18:36:33] <PibbRelay_> <shadowsinthegarden.com> The problem seems to be that Zend_OpenId_Consumer relies on a 3rd party - in this case, the Provider - to send our user back with the claimed_id URI, which allows any Provider to break that feature merely by failing to do so on their end.
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  99. [18:39:20] <PibbRelay_> <shadowsinthegarden.com> Since the Consumer is already keeping track of some information (in /tmp/openid/consumer/), though, it seems trivial to keep track of one additional value. This would have the benefit of introducing some fault tolerance, as well.
  100. [18:40:34] <PibbRelay_> <shadowsinthegarden.com> I will now proceed to break my Zend_OpenId_Consumer by attempting to rewrite the code so it does this :)
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  115. [20:21:18] <PibbRelay_> <shadowsinthegarden.com> Findings:
  116. [20:24:19] <PibbRelay_> <shadowsinthegarden.com> It already keeps track of the claimed_id, but the check for whether claimed_id has been set is only the 7th line under (public function) verify; I can't find where the script makes an attempt to check previously stored values before calling verify, or within verify before checking for claimed_id.
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  120. [20:46:50] <PibbRelay_> <keturn> the openid.claimed_id param in the openid.mode=id_res response is a v2.0 thing
  121. [20:47:08] <PibbRelay_> <keturn> (err, it's probably spelled out as claimed_identifier, isn't it.)
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  123. [20:53:08] <PibbRelay_> <Shade> I don't know what it's called, but I've enabled paranoid mode with phpMyID, let the consumer send me off to that provider, and then checked the files in /tmp/openid/consumer/ - I'd cleared them ahead of time, so there was just one file there, provider_ (some hash), and when I looked inside it had the URL that I'd originally entered.
  124. [20:55:18] <PibbRelay_> <Shade> I've been trying to save variable names and values to a logfile at various points within the script so I can find out these things, but every time I effectively modify the original script, it sends "." as the trust_root and phpMyID gives up.
  125. [20:56:39] <PibbRelay_> <Shade> The weird thing is that it's only *effective* modifications to the script that have this result. Comments are fine, I can add 12 lines of code that don't do anything and it'll be fine, but just ONE LINE of working code and suddenly trust_root becomes "."
  126. [21:00:38] <PibbRelay_> <Shade> It would matter more if I were trying to choose between modifying how it retrieves the stored data already and writing a new function to imitate just that part of the existing Zend code, but since I still don't understand how it does that, and all this is only for testing purposes anyway, I'm thinking I may be better off to just (temporarily) cripple phpMyID so it doesn't care about trust_root anymore - or, at least, sees the ri
  127. [21:04:11] <PibbRelay_> <Shade> (It could be argued that, if the user doesn't have a 2.0 Provider, I don't need to care about their claimed_id - but, to make my whitelist work with users who are using delegation and, for instance, phpMyID, my scripts *do* need to be able to tell what URI the user originally entered.)
  128. [21:11:01] <PibbRelay_> <keturn> yes, it should be normalizing that as per http://openid.net/specs/openid-authentication-2_0.html#normalization and storing that value
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  130. [21:20:43] <PibbRelay_> <Shade> I just want to retrieve that value even when they aren't using 2.0 - the Nabble report seems to indicate that this should still be possible even with 1.1
  131. [21:21:20] <PibbRelay_> <keturn> yes, delegation really ought to work with 1.1, and the same normalize-with-redirect rules apply. The only change from 1 to 2 there is the XRI stuff.
  132. [21:24:49] <PibbRelay_> <Shade> and now the trust_root error has completely vanished, even though I didn't change anything in phpMyID. Lovely
  133. [21:25:11] <PibbRelay_> <Shade> (or anything in the Consumer script, I just switched to Google and tried to do some more research. Got to love the intermittent errors like that.)
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  140. [21:46:16] <PibbRelay_> <Shade> Commented out the code, began the login process (phpMyID didn't complain), paused at the question of whether to trust the site, uncommented the code, resumed logging in - logged in okay, but the code apparently did nothing. I dunno what _getAssociation does (allegedly retrieves info from internal cache or external storage), but I don't seem to be getting there. Either that or the filewrites (copying code that works fine elsewher
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  142. [22:02:06] <PibbRelay_> <Shade> As foreseen, I have now completely broken my Consumer - even replaced the whole file with a backup, and I can login anywhere else but not to my own Consumer.
  143. [22:02:32] <PibbRelay_> <Shade> (This is where I give up, go away for a few days, and hope that when I come back it'll have spontaneously returned itself to normal as easily as it seems to spontaneously break itself.)
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  146. [22:28:42] <PibbRelay_> <Shade> Just to throw an odd thought out there - if I have Zend's verify return the hash used to choose filenames under /tmp/openid/consumer/ instead of 'TRUE', this could let me access the file directly, from outside of the Zend consumer?
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