IRC Log for #openid on 2008-04-29

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  15. [02:48:49] <wycats_> I'm looking for the original XML versions of the OID specs
  16. [03:49:45] <tjohns> Are you sure you don't mean the BML versions? I don't remember there being an XML version.
  17. [03:50:19] <tjohns> Oh, wait, nevermind, now I remember, it's in SVN
  18. [03:52:15] <tjohns> http://svn.openid.net/repos/specifications/authentication/1.1/trunk/openid-authentication-1_1.xml
  19. [03:52:27] <tjohns> http://svn.openid.net/repos/specifications/authentication/2.0/trunk/openid-authentication.xml
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  22. [04:48:21] <wycats_> tjohns: I'm going to try and convert them to pdf via xml2pdfrfc
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  24. [04:58:07] <wycats_> tjohns: xml2rfc is getting mad because some lines are bigger than 72 chars
  25. [05:00:02] <tjohns> That's strange. I wasn't aware there was a limit on the number of columns in an XML file.
  26. [05:00:40] <tjohns> Though, if that's the problem, it shouldn't be too hard to run it through a script that adds line breaks
  27. [05:01:33] <tjohns> Some of the URLs in are longer than 72 chars though, so I have no clue what will happen to those.
  28. [05:21:05] <wycats_> it seems to be a limitation with rfc2pdf
  29. [05:21:14] <wycats_> tjohns: do you know of any other way to convert to PDF?
  30. [05:38:46] <tjohns> I've had good results with Prince before
  31. [05:38:55] <tjohns> http://www.princexml.com/
  32. [05:39:12] <tjohns> There's a free version for personal use.
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  64. [13:33:06] <jibot> TedThibodeauJr is a Technology Evangelist from http://www.openlinksw.com/ and a Troublemaker from Way Back
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  82. [19:12:34] <darren-b> hi
  83. [19:26:51] <wycats_> tjohns: is there a good stylesheet for RFCs?
  84. [19:27:24] <tjohns> Well, there's the one that's used on openid.net when the XML sepcs get converted to HTML
  85. [19:28:15] <tjohns> But if you want something that looks good on print (or that doesn't require use of XSLT to convert from XML to HTML), you'll need to tweak it.
  86. [19:28:36] <wycats_> there must be something out there to convert XML=>PDF
  87. [19:28:42] <wycats_> since all the RFCs are available in PDF
  88. [19:29:08] <tjohns> Ya, I'm sure there is.
  89. [19:29:20] <wycats_> an exhaustive search has not turned anything up
  90. [19:29:42] <darren-b> text/plain
  91. [19:30:33] <darren-b> does anyone here have an opinion on LID? I'm trying to identify if there's any support for it out there or if it's generally considered a dinosaur.
  92. [19:30:49] <darren-b> the have some interesting service definitions
  93. [19:31:15] <tjohns> wycats_: Ah, here's something that might work...
  94. [19:31:38] <tjohns> http://www.rfc-editor.org/formatting.html mentions that there's a RFC to LaTeX converter
  95. [19:31:45] <tjohns> That would get you a PDF
  96. [19:32:23] <tjohns> Then again, that might be a LaTeX to RFC converter....3
  97. [19:32:51] <wycats_> yep
  98. [19:32:53] <wycats_> it is :(
  99. [19:33:55] <wycats_> http://tools.ietf.org//inventory/author-tools
  100. [19:34:01] <wycats_> xml2pdfrfc totally fails
  101. [19:37:28] <tjohns> I think the reason why there isn't a good converter is because the "primary" version of an RFC is the ASCII text version, and the Postscript/PDF/HTML copies are just produced to make them look nicer.
  102. [19:37:49] <tjohns> And since looking nicer could means converting ASCII art to image files
  103. [19:38:07] <tjohns> In many cases there'd still be a lot of manual work involved.
  104. [19:38:46] <tjohns> Not that helps. Just me thinking out loud. :/
  105. [19:41:58] <tjohns> I think the easiest solution would be to run Prince on the HTML version of the spec. I just tested, and it actually comes out pretty nice.
  106. [19:42:15] <tjohns> I'd say just tweak the margins a bit, add a couple page breaks, and it would look pretty nice.
  107. [19:45:41] <tjohns> http://tjohns.net/files/openid/auth20_test.pdf is what it looks like without any tweaking.
  108. [19:49:46] * wycats_ opens
  109. [19:49:54] <wycats_> I really just want to be able to print the spec
  110. [19:50:08] <wycats_> I'll probably add something to remove the <TOC>
  111. [19:50:24] <wycats_> and the annoying HR
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  121. [20:44:16] <nathanpbell> Are there a set of environment requirements for the janrain openid libraries to work? I can get it to work on one of our servers but not the other.
  122. [20:44:40] <nathanpbell> We're using the unmodified consumer examples included with the library
  123. [20:44:48] <nathanpbell> (PHP, sorry)
  124. [20:46:08] <nathanpbell> When trying to authenticate a Yadis enabled OP (Yahoo) it fails immediately. Delegated OpenIDs (HTML discovery) make it through the OP redirect, but when we finally wind up on the RP to verify, we get a "server denied check_authenticiation" error
  125. [20:52:09] <nathanpbell> WIth Yahoo OpenIDs the error that returns immediately is "Authentication error; not a valid OpenID"
  126. [21:06:52] <Chaz6> So MyOpenId are probably going to offer site affiliations for custom domains, but it won't be free :-(
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  128. [21:12:06] <donomo> i love the anonymous openid providers. they drive home the point that a url doesnt mean much by itself.
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  131. [21:31:53] <donomo> im interested to see what sort of extra auth RPs will start asking for, but im afraid the answer will be to whilelist the providers they take.
  132. [21:32:20] <Chaz6> Yeah :/
  133. [21:32:29] <Chaz6> Quite a paradox
  134. [21:33:56] <Chaz6> I conjecture that with more RP's there will be more sites using captchas upon login not just for registration
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  142. [23:08:25] <nathanpbell> FYI (for the logs): The first part of the problem was that the server did not have an SSL cert bundle installed so CURL's HTTPS connections were failing silently.
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