IRC Log for #openid on 2008-05-12

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  16. [05:47:39] <RyanPrior> Are OpenID and oAuth redundant?
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  20. [06:25:33] <tjohns> RyamPrior: No, they're complimentary. OpenID is used to perform initial authentication. OAuth is used to delegate rights to other applications/services.
  21. [06:25:56] <tjohns> Err, RyanPrior. Sorry, didn't mean to misspell your name.
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  26. [07:03:53] <RyanPrior> tjohns: I've heard that oAuth is being used as an authentication framework though - isn't that what OpenID is meant to do?
  27. [07:04:06] <RyanPrior> Or is OpenID just an "initial step" in an oAuth system?
  28. [07:05:19] <tjohns> OAuth lets one application authenticate to another.
  29. [07:05:35] <tjohns> However, it doesn't provide a mechanism for humans to authenticate to the application.
  30. [07:05:48] <tjohns> So, here's an example:
  31. [07:06:05] <tjohns> Let's say I have a photo sharing site, like Flickr.
  32. [07:06:18] <tjohns> I login to that site using my OpenID.
  33. [07:06:48] <tjohns> However, if I want to give somebody else access to my account, say a third party service that will print my photos out and mail them to me, I don't want to give them my OpenID username/password.
  34. [07:07:44] <tjohns> That's where OAuth comes in. It let's me delegate access to that third-party site without having to give them my login credentials.
  35. [07:29:32] <RyanPrior> For example, right now Facebook lets you put in the password to your email account to search your contacts for other Facebook members. With oAuth, you could provide an authentication token of sorts that would let them search your contacts but nothing else?
  36. [07:30:59] <tjohns> Yes, that's correct.
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  41. [09:18:01] <lulurun> miyagawa: about sixapart's openid lib
  42. [09:18:27] <lulurun> I have tested the demo included in the source tree
  43. [09:18:41] <lulurun> too slow for consumer to establish the authrequest
  44. [09:18:55] <lulurun> Crypt::DH::generate_keys is executed everytime
  45. [09:19:02] <lulurun> Crypt:: DH::generate_keys is executed everytime
  46. [09:19:28] <miyagawa> install Math::Pari::GMP
  47. [09:20:40] <miyagawa> Crypt::DH is very slow without the library installed
  48. [09:20:52] <lulurun> but is it necessary (to "generate_keys" for every request)?
  49. [09:20:55] <miyagawa> oops, sorry. Math::BigInt::GMP
  50. [09:21:52] <miyagawa> which library and script are you talking about
  51. [09:23:05] <lulurun> openid,
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  53. [09:23:59] <lulurun> Association.pm: Line 102: openid.dh_consumer_public => ,,,
  54. [09:25:50] <miyagawa> I assume you can set cache to Consumer to avoid generating keys every time
  55. [09:26:38] <miyagawa> you're not telling me which demo you're talking about
  56. [09:27:03] <miyagawa> i can't find anything like that in Net-OpenID-Consumer source tree
  57. [09:28:51] <lulurun> the demo is in [svnroot_of_openid]/website/demo/demo.html
  58. [09:29:58] <miyagawa> that's an HTML file and not the real consumer app
  59. [09:30:31] <lulurun> yes, it uses helper.cgi
  60. [09:30:33] <miyagawa> anyway you can pass in Cache object to cache args of Net::OpenID::Consumer->new to avoid generating DH keys
  61. [09:30:49] <miyagawa> and also install Math::BigInt::GMP to make the gen key fast
  62. [09:31:29] <lulurun> yes, that is exactly what I want to know, thank you : >
  63. [09:31:53] <miyagawa> cool :)
  64. [09:33:50] <lulurun> but I think to improve the demo is important, that may stops others to use your lib (just my own opinion)
  65. [09:35:49] <miyagawa> i never thought someone use the stuff under website/ for your development
  66. [09:38:11] <lulurun> anyway, thank you very much, I have to leave now, good day!
  67. [09:38:17] <miyagawa> np
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  93. [13:01:30] <darren-b> Morning.
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  119. [15:29:26] <Ng> with the apache openid module, is it possible to configure a situation that people will be given different content after they have authenticated, depending on who they are? (or more likely, which group they are in?)
  120. [15:33:36] <Ng> err, sorry, using the python module with apache, a la http://j3h.janrain.com/mpopenid/README.html
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  126. [16:06:12] <KevinMarks> morning - if you haven't seen the Friend Connect announcement, this is a good one: http://www.news.com/8301-13953_3-9941411-80.html
  127. [16:06:49] <KevinMarks> The OpenID bottom line is 'any website can become an OpenID relying party'
  128. [16:12:40] <Chaz6> KevinMarks: great, next stop, ipv6 :)
  129. [16:13:20] <Chaz6> Do you have a working URL for the service?
  130. [16:16:40] <Chaz6> Also, do you think that Google eat its own dogfood and become an OpenID RP?
  131. [16:16:50] <Chaz6> s/eat/will eat/
  132. [16:33:37] <KevinMarks> we are an RP in blogger
  133. [16:34:02] <KevinMarks> and to build Friend Connect we are being an RP too
  134. [16:34:28] <KevinMarks> the friend connect url will go live tonight after the campfire
  135. [16:34:44] <Chaz6> Great :)
  136. [16:35:04] <Chaz6> I look forward to it.
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  138. [16:41:39] <Chaz6> What would be really nice is some joined up services, for example, being able to specify a global avatar url using foaf for use on picasa, orkut, etc
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