IRC Log for #openid on 2008-06-03

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  7. [01:24:52] <mikecc> anyone here use openid and rubyonrails? i get uninitialized constant OpenID::SReg
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  11. [02:20:19] <RabidFrog> Hi
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  43. [10:37:27] <jibot> melvster is http://sandbox.orkut.com/Profile.aspx?uid=4066854387575064463 on orkut sandbox and one of the maintainers of http://opensocialdirectory.org
  44. [10:38:18] <melvster> hmm odd that jibot here knows that
  45. [10:39:06] <melvster> ?forgetme
  46. [10:39:06] <jibot> I have expunged melvster from my mind
  47. [10:41:09] <melvster> by the way OpenID MOD for PHPBB has been released here: http://phpbbopenid.com/viewforum.php?f=2
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  53. [11:14:11] <Chaz6> Hm, I wonder if there's an X.509 equivalent of Sqlite
  54. [11:18:29] <Chaz6> melvster: that is good news; is there any support for account federation in phpbb? for instance, using the same local account for a wordpress blog and phpbb forum? (that is, an SSO account the user logs into with openid)
  55. [11:26:34] <melvster> hi chaz6
  56. [11:26:46] <melvster> good question
  57. [11:26:56] <melvster> there's not specific support as yet
  58. [11:27:14] <melvster> but if you sign in with your openid in one, you can sign in, in the other
  59. [11:27:27] <Chaz6> Right, but it's still two different accounts
  60. [11:27:46] <melvster> two children of the the same parent, yes
  61. [11:27:51] <Chaz6> The point is to have a single local account for 2 or more different websites
  62. [11:28:02] <melvster> unless the two peices of s/w make some kind of implicit agreement
  63. [11:28:06] <Chaz6> No, openid is just an authentication mechanism
  64. [11:28:14] <Chaz6> The two accounts have no inter-operability
  65. [11:28:24] <melvster> i guess that's something to follow
  66. [11:28:49] <Chaz6> Also, single-sign on enables you to only have to sign in once per domain
  67. [11:28:49] <melvster> what might be an idea is to use your openid in one phpbb board to log in to another board transparently
  68. [11:28:58] <Chaz6> You still have to jump through the iDP hoop with openid
  69. [11:29:34] <melvster> yes the IDP controls authentication
  70. [11:30:00] <Chaz6> Right, if you have two accounts in a domain with openid, you have to go through the authentication twice
  71. [11:30:09] <Chaz6> with SSO you only need to authenticate once for the domain
  72. [11:30:23] <melvster> right
  73. [11:30:34] <melvster> it depends on the policy of the conusmer
  74. [11:30:47] <Chaz6> Atlassian Crowd has connectors that can do that, but not sure if support phpBB, but i expect someone has written a plugin
  75. [11:31:29] <melvster> looks good, you can write your own too, which gives you complete control
  76. [11:32:01] <melvster> but at the end of the day the website owner should have the choice on whether you need to sign in or not
  77. [11:32:11] <melvster> the default is that you do
  78. [11:32:25] <melvster> and right now, it seems that this is the standard
  79. [11:33:00] <melvster> but it's not that hard to pass your openid with the link, and for a site to log you in (with or without creating an account) if that is desired by the consumer
  80. [11:33:09] <melvster> that would probably conform more to your idea of SSO
  81. [11:35:34] <Chaz6> No, SSO is the concept of having one single account per domain. If you do that, you get referred back to your iDP a second time to grant access to the second site.
  82. [11:36:30] <Chaz6> Wheras in SSO you need only grant permission to a single entity, the account provider, and then that is used by the other websites in the domain
  83. [11:37:41] <Chaz6> Another advantage is that the user only has one set of attributes to maintain (for example, birth date, home page)
  84. [11:38:36] <Chaz6> You can simply use OpenID as an authentication method for an existing SSO system such as CAS, Shibboleth
  85. [11:38:50] <Chaz6> It's just a question of which systems support the applications in your domain
  86. [11:39:29] <melvster> yeah sreg extension can maintain and pass on some attributes
  87. [11:39:46] <Chaz6> Right, SREG can help, but there are still likely going to be application specific things not included
  88. [11:39:56] <melvster> true
  89. [11:40:06] <Chaz6> It also requires you to sign into each site for them to be update
  90. [11:40:08] <Chaz6> *updated
  91. [11:40:19] <melvster> i see what you mean
  92. [11:42:42] <melvster> but how do you propose to solve that and still give the consumer complete control?
  93. [11:43:47] <Chaz6> It is solved already, i'm not sure what you are asking
  94. [11:49:10] <melvster> sorry, i didnt phrase that very well
  95. [11:49:46] <melvster> how do you give the web site owner control of his/her account list, without you signing up for a new account?
  96. [11:50:18] <Chaz6> melvster: because the websites within a domain are federated with the sso provider
  97. [11:50:33] <Chaz6> Any account on the provider will be available to all websites within the domain
  98. [11:51:02] <melvster> ah got it
  99. [11:51:44] <Chaz6> The other advantage over OpenID is that it's not limited to http(s); you can also use kerberos to provide tokens for other types of resources
  100. [11:51:57] <Chaz6> s/The other/Another/
  101. [11:52:30] <melvster> i didnt know that
  102. [11:52:37] <melvster> i think the main use is http though
  103. [11:52:53] <Chaz6> Yes, in most cases it's for http
  104. [11:53:25] <Chaz6> With web apps the sso provider sets a cookie with the token
  105. [11:53:44] <Chaz6> I need to write a blog post about this
  106. [11:53:54] <Chaz6> Shocking, I don't have an openid tag/category yet
  107. [11:54:07] <melvster> :) what's your blog?
  108. [11:54:14] <Chaz6> .com :o)
  109. [11:55:55] <melvster> cool blog!
  110. [11:56:05] <Chaz6> Why thank you :-)
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  120. [12:50:27] <Chaz6> I might not bother, someone has already written a good article - http://www.cricketschirping.com/weblog/?p=1123
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  152. [19:45:17] <Jj> hello
  153. [19:45:41] <Jj> has anyone tried luck with djangoid openid server?
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