IRC Log for #openid on 2008-06-05

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  12. [01:25:45] <notjosh> this is probably a bit of a stupid question (and in the most basic form quite redundant), but is there any reason why, say, i can't request to login to example.com with openid (from openidserver.com), which redirected the user to openidserver.com, which then redirects again to a server on the user's ip, and that the user's ip returns the success/fail to example.com?
  13. [01:26:20] <notjosh> (as in, would example.com be checking where the authentication came from? or does it just care that the nonce etc are in tact regardless of who's telling it about success/fail?)
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  44. [05:35:31] <flaccid__> notjosh: there is delgation and also the return_to url which is basically mandated in openid 2.0
  45. [05:35:38] <flaccid__> delegation
  46. [05:35:49] <flaccid__> no reason for proxying
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  51. [05:46:57] <notjosh> flaccid__: right. but in the most basic form of what i'm asking, it sounds stupid and redundant. but is there any reason it couldn't be done?
  52. [05:48:35] <flaccid__> it has to come from the server which is associates it with ie. it can't come from the users ip in this case
  53. [05:49:14] <flaccid__> can i ask why you would want/need to do that?
  54. [05:51:23] <flaccid__> doesn't stop you proxying but if it comes back through the proxy
  55. [06:00:48] <notjosh> mostly just messing around, curious as to what's feasible and how flexible it all is..
  56. [06:05:17] <flaccid__> well there is no point, its insecure, creates bottlenecks etc.
  57. [06:05:49] <flaccid__> points of failure heh
  58. [06:07:25] <notjosh> well, again, in the simplest form it's a stupid idea, but there was more to it. but there's no point bothering with the rest if the basics are _impossible_ as opposed to "a stupid idea"
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  66. [06:37:56] <keturn> notjosh: example.com will want to establish a shared secret with openidserver.com.
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  68. [06:39:25] <keturn> so you have a few ways to do that. one is to make user.homeip.net never talk directly to example.com, and make sure you step back through openidserver.com instead of sending that straight to example.com
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  70. [06:41:21] <keturn> the other may or may not work with OpenID v1, but is explicitly supported in OpenID v2, and that's to have user.homeip.net send the response directly back to ... oh, wait, no, because when it tries to verify that assertion, it will look up the identifier, and it will still try to check it against openidserver.com
  71. [06:41:36] <keturn> (assuming that openidserver.com is the openid.provider for the identifier that you're using)
  72. [06:42:27] <keturn> so, yeah. openidserver.com and user.homeip.net can have whatever side conversations they want, but in the end you'll probably still need to issue the assertion from openidserver.com.
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  77. [06:58:01] <flaccid__> notjosh: like i said its totally possible which is the same as what keturn advises
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  81. [07:18:47] <notjosh> keturn, flaccid__: yep. that's pretty much the conclusion i'd reached too though, but i wasn't sure if i was somehow missing something.
  82. [07:19:09] <flaccid__> cool
  83. [07:19:14] <notjosh> ty :]
  84. [07:19:26] <flaccid__> no worries. you might want to check out OAuth
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  86. [07:30:05] <notjosh> yarr, just a lot to get the head around i suppose. getting through it though
  87. [07:33:11] <flaccid__> oauth is authorization so they work in hand
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  91. [07:54:24] <johill> keturn: how do you use returnToVerified, and should you?
  92. [07:59:50] <johill> keturn: "The third argument to Consumer.complete() is required." - I think that is misleading, it only gets two parameters, the first ("self") is implicit when you call it, I for one was trying to figure out what third parameter ;)
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  108. [09:16:29] <Chaz6> Heh, the hypocracy.. on gravatar.com's about page it says "The web is no longer about anonymous content generated by faceless corporations"
  109. [09:16:46] <Chaz6> Yet they do not list any contact information
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  159. [14:55:48] <keturn> johill: to use returnToVerified you just call that method on the CheckIDRequest and it returns true or false. It's a good bit of information to have, but older RPs will probably not have implemented that bit and always have False returned for them, so how you use the results without confusing the user is a little unclear.
  160. [14:56:36] <johill> hm ok, thanks
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