IRC Log for #openid on 2008-06-27
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- [01:29:37] <DougKaye>
Anyone here using the OpenID Enabled (PHP) library?
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flaccid is an OpenID enthusiast
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- [04:50:48] <omakase>
which php lib is generally recommended?
- [04:52:55] <flaccid>
janrain is the only real one i know of
- [04:53:36] <omakase>
http://www.clickpass.com/docs/reference-language-libraries
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- [05:02:26] <flaccid>
ah yeah the janrain one is the only complete one besides NetMesh which has LID as well. i've never tried NetMesh but it looks good..
- [05:03:04] <omakase>
flaccid: cool. thanks
- [05:03:29] <flaccid>
np
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- [09:19:26] <jibot>
hendry is http://www.flickr.com/photos/hendry/1858868124/ and http://hendry.iki.fi/about/
- [09:19:51] <hendry>
my company is launching a product and we want to "register" users who download the product
- [09:20:11] <hendry>
could users "register" with openid?
- [09:20:27] <hendry>
users needs to basically accept a EULA and we need their email address
- [09:20:41] <johill>
openid doesn't give you an address
- [09:21:14] <hendry>
oh damn
- [09:21:27] <johill>
why don't you just email them a download code/url?
- [09:21:41] <hendry>
then i think i'll have a form asking for an email. send eula by email. and bottom of email, say click link to accept.
- [09:21:59] <johill>
(yes, people will use DisposeaMail)
- [09:22:31] <johill>
(I do every time I'm asked to go through such stupid complications)
- [09:23:07] <hendry>
well, it's not stupid. there is a legal requirement.
- [09:23:47] <johill>
I have yet to see a legal requirement to have a "valid" email address, but that's for your lawyers to figure out
- [09:23:49] <hendry>
bit dissapointed you can't get email
- [09:24:44] <hendry>
it's quite simple. customers must accept a EULA. we need someway of identifying (and contacting) customers ~ email
- [09:24:53] <hendry>
johill: if you can think of a better way, i'm all ears
- [09:25:12] <hendry>
bit dissapointed you can't get email address via openid
- [09:25:34] <johill>
you can, technically, but (a) most IdPs don't implement it and (b) there's no guarantee that it'll be valid either
- [09:26:00] <johill>
openid isn't a magic solution for all sorts of problems related to getting user data, it's more or less just a replacement for the user's account password
- [09:26:34] <hendry>
well it really needs to a tiny bit more than that to be worth adopting don't you think?
- [09:26:53] <johill>
I'm sure if people start requiring openid then disposeAnID.com will spring up allowing you to claim ownership to any identifier
- [09:27:18] <hendry>
johill: that's already the case in openid. there are at least a couple throwaway openid places
- [09:27:54] <hendry>
johill: that's already the case in openid. there are at least a couple throwaway openid places/services
- [09:27:55] <johill>
hendry: I really don't want to get into that discussion, but I don't see why, currently many many websites allow you to just sign up and log in using a username/password, so if you allow openid instead of that username/password combo it makes life easier for the user but hasn't changed much
- [09:28:18] <johill>
changed much for the website, I mean
- [09:28:33] <johill>
I see it about being easier for the user mostly
- [09:28:57] <johill>
and you _can_ build new services around it by having trusted IdPs etc., but that's not really the point imho
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- [13:10:29] <omakase>
is a bigint(20) sufficient to store an openid?
- [13:13:01] <Chaz6>
No, OpenID's are in the form of a URL so you need something like varchar(256)
- [13:13:19] <omakase>
thanks
- [13:13:55] <samsm>
Probably overkill for a surrogate key, too. :)
- [13:14:34] <omakase>
ya
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- [13:20:18] <jibot>
MacTed is a Technology Evangelist from http://www.openlinksw.com/ and a Troublemaker from Way Back
- [13:27:36] <omakase>
...
- [13:28:17] <omakase>
does anyone know where the begin auth function is in the OpenID lib by jan rain?
- [13:30:14] <samsm>
OpenID::Consumer ?
- [13:33:33] <omakase>
hmm don't see that
- [13:33:49] <samsm>
Heh, ok, what language?
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- [13:34:42] <samsm>
Also why? If possible it is nice to just let the library work and not worry about it's internals.
- [13:34:42] <omakase>
php, think i found it
- [13:34:53] <omakase>
i want the library to do the work
- [13:35:01] <omakase>
http://www.clickpass.com/docs/reference-logging-users-in#begin_openid_login << im just trying to follow this
- [13:35:44] <samsm>
Looks like the cheat sheet is just below.
- [13:36:21] <omakase>
yup, that's why i was looking for "beginAuth"
- [13:58:10] <omakase>
eek this is a mess
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new releases, get 'em while they're hot
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