IRC Log for #openid on 2008-06-27

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  12. [01:29:37] <DougKaye> Anyone here using the OpenID Enabled (PHP) library?
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  18. [03:18:58] <jibot> flaccid is an OpenID enthusiast
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  28. [04:50:48] <omakase> which php lib is generally recommended?
  29. [04:52:55] <flaccid> janrain is the only real one i know of
  30. [04:53:36] <omakase> http://www.clickpass.com/docs/reference-language-libraries
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  32. [05:02:26] <flaccid> ah yeah the janrain one is the only complete one besides NetMesh which has LID as well. i've never tried NetMesh but it looks good..
  33. [05:03:04] <omakase> flaccid: cool. thanks
  34. [05:03:29] <flaccid> np
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  57. [09:19:26] <jibot> hendry is http://www.flickr.com/photos/hendry/1858868124/ and http://hendry.iki.fi/about/
  58. [09:19:51] <hendry> my company is launching a product and we want to "register" users who download the product
  59. [09:20:11] <hendry> could users "register" with openid?
  60. [09:20:27] <hendry> users needs to basically accept a EULA and we need their email address
  61. [09:20:41] <johill> openid doesn't give you an address
  62. [09:21:14] <hendry> oh damn
  63. [09:21:27] <johill> why don't you just email them a download code/url?
  64. [09:21:41] <hendry> then i think i'll have a form asking for an email. send eula by email. and bottom of email, say click link to accept.
  65. [09:21:59] <johill> (yes, people will use DisposeaMail)
  66. [09:22:31] <johill> (I do every time I'm asked to go through such stupid complications)
  67. [09:23:07] <hendry> well, it's not stupid. there is a legal requirement.
  68. [09:23:47] <johill> I have yet to see a legal requirement to have a "valid" email address, but that's for your lawyers to figure out
  69. [09:23:49] <hendry> bit dissapointed you can't get email
  70. [09:24:44] <hendry> it's quite simple. customers must accept a EULA. we need someway of identifying (and contacting) customers ~ email
  71. [09:24:53] <hendry> johill: if you can think of a better way, i'm all ears
  72. [09:25:12] <hendry> bit dissapointed you can't get email address via openid
  73. [09:25:34] <johill> you can, technically, but (a) most IdPs don't implement it and (b) there's no guarantee that it'll be valid either
  74. [09:26:00] <johill> openid isn't a magic solution for all sorts of problems related to getting user data, it's more or less just a replacement for the user's account password
  75. [09:26:34] <hendry> well it really needs to a tiny bit more than that to be worth adopting don't you think?
  76. [09:26:53] <johill> I'm sure if people start requiring openid then disposeAnID.com will spring up allowing you to claim ownership to any identifier
  77. [09:27:18] <hendry> johill: that's already the case in openid. there are at least a couple throwaway openid places
  78. [09:27:54] <hendry> johill: that's already the case in openid. there are at least a couple throwaway openid places/services
  79. [09:27:55] <johill> hendry: I really don't want to get into that discussion, but I don't see why, currently many many websites allow you to just sign up and log in using a username/password, so if you allow openid instead of that username/password combo it makes life easier for the user but hasn't changed much
  80. [09:28:18] <johill> changed much for the website, I mean
  81. [09:28:33] <johill> I see it about being easier for the user mostly
  82. [09:28:57] <johill> and you _can_ build new services around it by having trusted IdPs etc., but that's not really the point imho
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  93. [13:10:29] <omakase> is a bigint(20) sufficient to store an openid?
  94. [13:13:01] <Chaz6> No, OpenID's are in the form of a URL so you need something like varchar(256)
  95. [13:13:19] <omakase> thanks
  96. [13:13:55] <samsm> Probably overkill for a surrogate key, too. :)
  97. [13:14:34] <omakase> ya
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  99. [13:20:18] <jibot> MacTed is a Technology Evangelist from http://www.openlinksw.com/ and a Troublemaker from Way Back
  100. [13:27:36] <omakase> ...
  101. [13:28:17] <omakase> does anyone know where the begin auth function is in the OpenID lib by jan rain?
  102. [13:30:14] <samsm> OpenID::Consumer ?
  103. [13:33:33] <omakase> hmm don't see that
  104. [13:33:49] <samsm> Heh, ok, what language?
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  106. [13:34:42] <samsm> Also why? If possible it is nice to just let the library work and not worry about it's internals.
  107. [13:34:42] <omakase> php, think i found it
  108. [13:34:53] <omakase> i want the library to do the work
  109. [13:35:01] <omakase> http://www.clickpass.com/docs/reference-logging-users-in#begin_openid_login << im just trying to follow this
  110. [13:35:44] <samsm> Looks like the cheat sheet is just below.
  111. [13:36:21] <omakase> yup, that's why i was looking for "beginAuth"
  112. [13:58:10] <omakase> eek this is a mess
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  148. [23:03:06] <_keturn> new releases, get 'em while they're hot
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