IRC Log for #openid on 2009-01-23
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- [00:11:58] <sumitk>
hey all I am kinda stuck I need information about 3 variables in openid spec
- [00:12:05] <sumitk>
I know openidfield is like name/Person/prefix .. so that is clear
- [00:12:14] <sumitk>
openidnamespace and openidname I have no idea about those fields
- [00:12:27] <sumitk>
^^anyone guys
- [00:12:51] <samsm>
Link?
- [00:13:10] <samsm>
Those terms aren't on the top of my head.
- [00:13:39] <samsm>
Sound more like classes in a library than terms in the spec.
- [00:13:49] <samsm>
But beats me.
- [00:14:13] <sumitk>
see its in specification implementation
- [00:14:24] <sumitk>
I am middle of implementing to in drupal
- [00:14:56] <sumitk>
openidnamespace is something I have to specify for proper query
- [00:15:01] <sumitk>
but what is it ?
- [00:15:14] <samsm>
Yeah, I'm not going to start googling. Link to where you've found this term.
- [00:16:16] <sumitk>
http://openid.net/specs/openid-attribute-exchange-1_0.html#attribute-name-definition
- [00:16:26] <sumitk>
this is what it is using
- [00:16:31] <samsm>
Ah, attribute exchange.
- [00:16:44] <samsm>
That's an OpenID extension.
- [00:17:12] <sumitk>
yeah attribute exchange I am implementing
- [00:17:26] <sumitk>
ooh didn't know that i was hoping all the same
- [00:17:33] <sumitk>
but still need those terms
- [00:18:00] <samsm>
I've found this helpful: http://www.axschema.org/types/
- [00:18:19] <samsm>
Still don't know where you are getting "openidfield" from.
- [00:18:41] <samsm>
Doesn't appear in that spec.
- [00:19:19] <samsm>
Maybe I'm just no help. :)
- [00:19:24] <sumitk>
i try with it thanks for help :)
- [00:19:53] <samsm>
The Python library handles that stuff somewhat, I think.
- [00:21:21] <sumitk>
no idea I know oauth well but openid newbie ;)
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- [01:34:34] <ripsup>
Anyone using openid with webservices? It just doesn't seem like it would work for it well especially if you are pulling that webservice into a program that isn't a browser
- [01:34:43] <ripsup>
What I am doing
- [01:35:48] <ripsup>
Is I want to have a way for people to tie into a system I have created, to add information update statuses and such
- [01:36:19] <ripsup>
but I want to be able to have them do this from non-webbrowsers possibly
- [01:37:13] <flaccid>
you asked this yesterday and if your 'system' is a binary like a gui one, there is no reason why it can't support openid
- [01:37:42] <ripsup>
Yeah I asked and people started answering an hour after I went to bed :)
- [01:37:48] <ripsup>
so reasking
- [01:38:01] <flaccid>
no need to re-ask, read the log
- [01:38:12] <ripsup>
well there was no clear answer given
- [01:38:45] <flaccid>
well i just gave you one?
- [01:38:53] <flaccid>
to get a clear answer you need to ask a clear question
- [01:39:20] <ripsup>
I'm just trying to figure out what the advantage at that point is of having it be openid
- [01:39:41] <flaccid>
well thats an entirely different question
- [01:40:01] <flaccid>
the main advantage is that its one identity and authentication for potentially everything that supports it
- [01:40:10] <flaccid>
SSO and can be session based
- [01:43:23] <samsm>
Somewhere between most and all OpenID providers require browser interaction. I think that's true.
- [01:43:34] <samsm>
Would that be a deal breaker?
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- [01:44:01] <ripsup>
When the main use isn't browser based I'm thinking it's not the thing for me, I was just wanting to try and use it but I'm thinking it's really not the thing for me in this case
- [01:45:16] <ripsup>
I hadn't seen a case myself where someone had used openid with their web services API and was wondering if anyone had done it or it was an overall bad idea
- [01:45:32] <flaccid>
well the application just needs to support http in some way, it doesn't need a browser object persay
- [01:45:53] <samsm>
Unless the provider has a trust step that requires a browser.
- [01:46:01] <ripsup>
yeah I know but at the same time it's not eliminating anything for that app
- [01:46:13] <flaccid>
the provider will have no idea if its an actual browser or not...
- [01:46:40] <ripsup>
yeah they wouldn't
- [01:47:16] <flaccid>
i think you need to stop thinking that openid fits into 'web services'. openid technically is an implementation of a web service. as for proprietary APIs, well you may be able to implement it depending on what the api supports
- [01:47:19] <ripsup>
I guess I was hoping that there was something I was missing that would change my mind
- [01:47:32] <flaccid>
i don't see a problem anywhere
- [01:47:34] <samsm>
At the point where you can render the interface for logging into the provider, specifying profile, trust, you ARE using a browser.
- [01:47:56] <ripsup>
I'm not look at it's fit into web services
- [01:48:05] <flaccid>
yes but the client does not have to render HTML.
- [01:48:16] <ripsup>
I'm looking for a fit into MY web service that I am writing the API for
- [01:48:38] <flaccid>
well ripsup you can write it however you want
- [01:49:17] <samsm>
If you are in charge of the provider in question this thing could totally work.
- [01:49:40] <samsm>
Or if someone made one that is webservice friendly.
- [01:49:57] <ripsup>
I was just hoping there was something that I had missed and that maybe someone else was doing some implementation I hadn't heard of that would make it seem like the right thing
- [01:50:00] <flaccid>
you are right however samsm as some interaction doesn't follow http specific params eg. confirmation to allow the site
- [01:50:10] <samsm>
Yeah, that's what I mean.
- [01:50:30] <flaccid>
so in that case i would suggest a browser modal window
- [01:50:37] <samsm>
There's nothing in the openid spec that bars it from working, just common implementation.
- [01:50:49] <flaccid>
immediate requests wouldn't need it though and if you are already signed on
- [01:51:27] <flaccid>
see the thing is, openid is a web service, you don't implement it onto another web service, that would technically be breaking spec
- [01:52:06] <samsm>
Is it web specific? I really don't know.
- [01:52:10] <flaccid>
eg. there is no soap or restful in the spec heh
- [01:52:17] <flaccid>
well yes it is, it uses HTTP
- [01:52:19] <ripsup>
how is that different then having it replace the authentication step of anything else
- [01:52:36] <samsm>
The argument for OpenID replacing username/password is much more compelling than the argument for replacing API keys.
- [01:52:45] <samsm>
And the former has not really taken off.
- [01:52:46] <flaccid>
um, there is no reason to create another lay over the top. its simply client-server architecture
- [01:53:24] <ripsup>
It's cool, I've understood the issue for a while it was just trying to do the due diligence that the idea wasn't worth it
- [01:53:57] <flaccid>
there already is a PAM plugin to support openid
- [01:54:43] <flaccid>
thats an example of no browser
- [01:54:44] <flaccid>
http://code.google.com/p/pam-openid/
- [01:57:46] <ripsup>
well thanks for your help
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- [07:40:13] <keturn>
pam-openid isn't a real thing
- [07:40:34] <keturn>
I think the answer to ripsup's question is probably "you're right; use oauth"
- [08:05:54] <flaccid>
keturn but oauth != openid
- [08:07:20] <flaccid>
ripsup failed to specify a problem to solve
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- [16:37:56] <mrbig4545>
hey guys, im looking to put openid on our site, to make it easier for new users and that
- [16:38:14] <mrbig4545>
im just wondering what information we would get access to once the user has logged in
- [16:38:33] <mrbig4545>
sorry if its an obvious question, ive been reading the site, but i havnt got through it all yet!
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- [16:46:04] <daedeloth>
http://wiki.dolumar.be/index.php/Integration_Guide
- [16:46:06] <daedeloth>
any thoughts?
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