IRC Log for #openid on 2009-09-05
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- [17:07:57] <fizk_>
hey guys
- [17:08:40] <fizk_>
does anyone know of a standard way to publish all your online identities in one place?
- [17:16:00] <yangman>
I'm not aware of something like that existing
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- [18:28:59] <sanslocust>
having an issue with ruby-openid rubygem, am i in the right place?
- [18:29:56] <sanslocust>
i have my app working with openid as a consumer. i can auth with yahoo for example
- [18:30:04] <sanslocust>
but google fails
- [18:30:31] <sanslocust>
gmail.com addresses more specifically
- [18:49:02] <flaccid>
fizk_: define publish and define online identities
- [18:49:31] <flaccid>
sanslocust: whats the actual error etc. and please link me to this software
- [18:51:33] <sanslocust>
flaccid: No usable OpenID services were found for "nick.hildebrant@gmail.com"
- [18:51:58] <sanslocust>
i actually get the same error on the openid demo page, so i thnk it's not just me
- [18:52:47] <sanslocust>
here: http://openidenabled.com/ruby-openid/trunk/examples/consumer/
- [18:53:22] <sanslocust>
=> Discovery failed for nick.hildebrant@gmail.com: No usable OpenID services were found for "nick.hildebrant@gmail.com"
- [18:59:25] <flaccid>
sanslocust: google has not enabled the EAUT or delegation yet in that respect
- [18:59:38] <flaccid>
you have to use their endpoint uri
- [19:02:35] <flaccid>
sanslocust: http://help.rightscale.com/cgi-bin/rightscale.cfg/php/admin/launch.php
- [19:02:38] <flaccid>
oops
- [19:02:58] <flaccid>
http://code.google.com/apis/accounts/docs/OpenID.html#endpoint
- [19:03:42] <sanslocust>
great! thanks so much
- [19:04:06] <sanslocust>
funny i googled this for hours, and google's own docs never come up
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- [19:06:38] <sanslocust>
so will this hackaround for google be implemented in the lib?
- [19:08:09] <flaccid>
if you are using ruby-openid then it is
- [19:08:43] <flaccid>
you just put in https://www.google.com/accounts/o8/id
- [19:10:04] <sanslocust>
okay, thanks, i will read some more
- [19:11:30] <flaccid>
so as you can see google didn't really implement it very well
- [19:17:55] <sanslocust>
yeah, that's clear, think they'll fix it? I assume it's still Beta :)
- [19:21:38] <flaccid>
who knows; but the big guns are sure failing to do openid properly
- [19:22:04] <yangman>
they sure are
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- [19:22:17] <sanslocust>
"extending standards"? Googles taking lessons from MS now?
- [19:23:11] <flaccid>
its not extending, its forking
- [19:23:51] <flaccid>
or bad implementation
- [19:24:01] <karstensrage>
i dont think so
- [19:24:05] <karstensrage>
i think its by design
- [19:24:36] <flaccid>
yes and the design is either a fork or a bad implementation or both
- [19:25:22] <karstensrage>
if i cared about security i wouldnt want to let ever tom, dick and harry IdP in
- [19:25:59] <flaccid>
whats that got to do with security and local policy/logic + what do you me by IdP in ?
- [19:26:16] <karstensrage>
huh?
- [19:26:25] <flaccid>
im asking you..
- [19:26:34] <karstensrage>
i know, i dont understand your words
- [19:26:35] <sanslocust>
breaking a standard api and posting public dcumentation for the workaround doesn't increase your security
- [19:27:11] <flaccid>
karstensrage: well basically i didn't understand your statement so if you could re explain please..
- [19:27:21] <karstensrage>
anyone can set up an IdP
- [19:27:35] <karstensrage>
if i were google, i wouldnt want to delegate to "anyone"
- [19:28:14] <flaccid>
i think you mean an OP
- [19:28:18] <karstensrage>
so whitelisting and forking make sense to me
- [19:28:20] <sanslocust>
afaik, they don't allow anyone else as a provider, and their provider is borked
- [19:28:59] <flaccid>
karstensrage: google wouldn't 'delegate to anyone' it would simple support EAUT and/or delegation of people's identity URL to its own OP - thats not anyone; thats their users only
- [19:29:21] <flaccid>
sanslocust: they don't have control on who can become a provider or not
- [19:33:18] <sanslocust>
right, i meant delegate, i don't know the proper terminology
- [19:33:38] <sanslocust>
but i'm reasonably certain that this breakage does not improve their security
- [19:34:08] <flaccid>
well pretty much all of the above has nothing to do with security, you are right, it relates more to business policy/logic
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- [19:37:37] <fizk_>
flaccid: something like .tel domains
- [19:37:43] <fizk_>
or webfinger
- [19:37:56] <sanslocust>
flaccid: so this o8/id url. from the rdoc it loooks like i need to set that explicitly on the dicovery manager, only if it's a gmail.com right?
- [19:37:56] <fizk_>
online identities would be your facebook account, yahoo account, etc
- [19:40:14] <flaccid>
fizk_: what is a .tel domain and what is webfinger, can you show me? but the question remains, what do you mean by publish? i mean you can do this on a html page..
- [19:40:34] <flaccid>
sanslocust: discovery manager? this is the url the person points in the openid login
- [19:40:56] <fizk_>
flaccid: lookup .tel domain and webfinger in wikipedia
- [19:41:39] <sanslocust>
flaccid: oh, jeesh
- [19:42:00] <flaccid>
sanslocust: sorry?
- [19:42:18] <sanslocust>
that's just not what I expected
- [19:42:28] <fizk_>
by publish, i mean add your online identities to a central place online
- [19:42:32] <flaccid>
fizk_: webfinger is not in wikipedia and .tel is just another suffix..
- [19:42:56] <fizk_>
http://code.google.com/p/webfinger/
- [19:43:08] <sanslocust>
ok, so if i want some consistent behavior in my login box, just replace gmail address with that url before Consumer begin
- [19:43:32] <flaccid>
fizk_: well i see what it does with dns, but not sure how that relates to openid spec in any way..
- [19:43:58] <flaccid>
sanslocust: well thats the thing, its not consistent but yes this is the url you use to login to a relying party
- [19:44:16] <fizk_>
K
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- [19:44:35] <sanslocust>
flaccid: ok, thanks very much for your help
- [19:45:16] <flaccid>
np
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- [21:38:06] <sanslocust>
i've done oidreq.add_extension_arg('sreg', 'required', 'email'), but it's not coming back in the parameters. same for additional optionals.
- [21:40:13] <sanslocust>
the authentocation is completed, but i am not asked at yahoo or google if it's accepted, so i think it's not in the request
- [21:59:30] <flaccid>
not comeing back from the RP, sanslocust ?
- [22:03:43] <sanslocust>
right, i'm on my dev box, so i'm not advertising XRDS, not sure if that's related
- [22:04:37] <sanslocust>
and actually, how does one handle that? doing dev on my localhost, so it's not possible to answer a request for it
- [22:06:15] <flaccid>
actually i think i meant coming back from the OP data wise
- [22:06:25] <flaccid>
the RP requests SReg or AX data from the OP
- [22:06:45] <flaccid>
where the RP and OP is host wise etc. is irrelevant
- [22:07:40] <sanslocust>
yeah right, I'm developing the RP right? i'm only using consumer. OP is yahoo or google
- [22:08:18] <flaccid>
yeah so if the OP doesn't return data on the fields requested etc. then that is their problem
- [22:08:32] <flaccid>
ie. their business policy or lack of implementation
- [22:09:59] <sanslocust>
ok
- [22:10:53] <flaccid>
they should give users the control over that but providers like who you mentioned are not in the business of openid but rather using it for their own agenda..
- [22:14:51] <sanslocust>
so, openid and who else???
- [22:20:33] <flaccid>
what do you mean?
- [22:22:12] <sanslocust>
so, openid is not a provider. what is a provider that doesn't suck?
- [22:24:13] <flaccid>
openid is a specification and effectively a protocol. if you are after a specialist openid provider, myOpenID is an example of a decent one
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