IRC Log for #openid on 2009-09-09
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- [01:36:35] <fizk_>
hey flaccid, wb
- [01:36:41] <flaccid>
ty
- [01:36:55] <fizk_>
i'm not sure what u meant by you can't force people to adopt something you know
- [01:37:33] <fizk_>
<flaccid> there is no need to create any more protocols. what you are talking about is what yangman mentioned fromt he start. adoption + the fact that the big players do not act as relying parties. they still want to be centralised and not share the net. this is a business decision. what needs to happen is a change in attitude to be open and support de-centralised models such as openid and opensocial. until that day
- [01:37:33] <fizk_>
happens, it will be just like how it is n
- [01:37:33] <fizk_>
<fizk_> but thanks for helping with this guys, that was the conversation i've been waiting for a long time
- [01:37:33] <fizk_>
<flaccid> in terms of putting a face to it. well OpenID already does. you can't force people to adopt something you know..
- [01:39:02] <flaccid>
fizk_: your first comment there about adoption was actually originally my point if you look in the history
- [01:39:20] <flaccid>
oh
- [01:39:30] <flaccid>
thats meant to read adopt something, (you know)
- [01:39:45] <flaccid>
you can take out the 'you know'. bad english/slang
- [01:40:50] <fizk_>
oh,
- [01:43:00] <flaccid>
moving on from that, if you have your own html page for delegation, you have full control over what you do, besides the information exchange by your provider..
- [01:44:05] <yangman>
and if you run your own provider, you also get full control over that ;)
- [01:44:42] <yangman>
also, shameless plug: http://yangman.ca/poit/
- [01:46:12] <fizk_>
nice
- [01:47:41] <fizk_>
about the business decision, i remember reading/watching something about Facebook pulling out of OpenID/OpenSocial because they'd loose their monopoly over user accounts
- [01:48:18] <fizk_>
i wonder if Google completley broke their OpenID implementation for business reasons too
- [01:49:00] <fizk_>
money money moneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh
- [01:52:12] <fizk_>
maybe when I'm a multi-billion dollar company, I'll say different :)
- [01:59:06] <flaccid>
yes money is essentially the point
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- [07:10:33] <yangman>
oy, XRDS-based discovery is quirky :\
- [07:11:51] <yangman>
can't quite tell if it's bad consumer implementation or a problem on my side
- [07:12:09] <yangman>
doesn't help that some consumers don't support it outright
- [07:12:18] <yangman>
back to HTML-based it is
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- [17:41:46] <yangman>
interesting... http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/openid_going_mainstream_us_gov_announces_pilot_pro.php
- [17:43:03] <karstensrage>
i dont get how its OpenID if its only ten companies as IdP's?
- [17:46:08] <yangman>
yeah
- [17:47:00] <yangman>
personally, I wouldn't trust any 3rd party to authenticate me as a person
- [17:47:46] <karstensrage>
what do you mean?
- [17:48:01] <karstensrage>
you only trust your self as an IdP?
- [17:48:31] <karstensrage>
do you have a driver's license or a student card?
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- [17:48:59] <yangman>
should clarify that as a 3rd-party non-governmental entity
- [17:49:51] <karstensrage>
and who else?
- [17:50:07] <yangman>
hm?
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- [17:50:43] <karstensrage>
well you said you wouldnt trust any 3rd party IdP, so what IdP would you trust?
- [17:53:15] <yangman>
I run my own. I still don't completely trust it for authenticating me as a person, but I have good faith that the URL it does authenticate will only reference myself for some time to come
- [17:54:49] <karstensrage>
well thats problematic too
- [17:56:57] <yangman>
indeed
- [17:58:44] <flaccid>
karstensrage: i think you mean OPs not IdP's :)
- [17:59:15] <karstensrage>
flaccid, i know you said that before i think, I dont consider OpenID to be the only solution out there so I use the more general term
- [17:59:54] <flaccid>
karstensrage: ok then just remove the apostrophe, its not a contraction :)
- [18:00:46] <karstensrage>
flaccid, what?
- [18:00:56] <karstensrage>
oh my first use of it
- [18:01:00] <flaccid>
IdPs not IdP's
- [18:01:00] <karstensrage>
well you used it too
- [18:01:02] <karstensrage>
:)
- [18:01:07] <flaccid>
no i didn't.
- [18:01:14] <flaccid>
i referenced yours
- [18:01:19] <flaccid>
:)
- [18:01:20] <karstensrage>
oh ok
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