IRC Log for #openid on 2009-09-09

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  7. [01:36:35] <fizk_> hey flaccid, wb
  8. [01:36:41] <flaccid> ty
  9. [01:36:55] <fizk_> i'm not sure what u meant by you can't force people to adopt something you know
  10. [01:37:33] <fizk_> <flaccid> there is no need to create any more protocols. what you are talking about is what yangman mentioned fromt he start. adoption + the fact that the big players do not act as relying parties. they still want to be centralised and not share the net. this is a business decision. what needs to happen is a change in attitude to be open and support de-centralised models such as openid and opensocial. until that day
  11. [01:37:33] <fizk_> happens, it will be just like how it is n
  12. [01:37:33] <fizk_> <fizk_> but thanks for helping with this guys, that was the conversation i've been waiting for a long time
  13. [01:37:33] <fizk_> <flaccid> in terms of putting a face to it. well OpenID already does. you can't force people to adopt something you know..
  14. [01:39:02] <flaccid> fizk_: your first comment there about adoption was actually originally my point if you look in the history
  15. [01:39:20] <flaccid> oh
  16. [01:39:30] <flaccid> thats meant to read adopt something, (you know)
  17. [01:39:45] <flaccid> you can take out the 'you know'. bad english/slang
  18. [01:40:50] <fizk_> oh,
  19. [01:43:00] <flaccid> moving on from that, if you have your own html page for delegation, you have full control over what you do, besides the information exchange by your provider..
  20. [01:44:05] <yangman> and if you run your own provider, you also get full control over that ;)
  21. [01:44:42] <yangman> also, shameless plug: http://yangman.ca/poit/
  22. [01:46:12] <fizk_> nice
  23. [01:47:41] <fizk_> about the business decision, i remember reading/watching something about Facebook pulling out of OpenID/OpenSocial because they'd loose their monopoly over user accounts
  24. [01:48:18] <fizk_> i wonder if Google completley broke their OpenID implementation for business reasons too
  25. [01:49:00] <fizk_> money money moneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh
  26. [01:52:12] <fizk_> maybe when I'm a multi-billion dollar company, I'll say different :)
  27. [01:59:06] <flaccid> yes money is essentially the point
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  71. [07:10:33] <yangman> oy, XRDS-based discovery is quirky :\
  72. [07:11:51] <yangman> can't quite tell if it's bad consumer implementation or a problem on my side
  73. [07:12:09] <yangman> doesn't help that some consumers don't support it outright
  74. [07:12:18] <yangman> back to HTML-based it is
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  140. [17:41:46] <yangman> interesting... http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/openid_going_mainstream_us_gov_announces_pilot_pro.php
  141. [17:43:03] <karstensrage> i dont get how its OpenID if its only ten companies as IdP's?
  142. [17:46:08] <yangman> yeah
  143. [17:47:00] <yangman> personally, I wouldn't trust any 3rd party to authenticate me as a person
  144. [17:47:46] <karstensrage> what do you mean?
  145. [17:48:01] <karstensrage> you only trust your self as an IdP?
  146. [17:48:31] <karstensrage> do you have a driver's license or a student card?
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  148. [17:48:59] <yangman> should clarify that as a 3rd-party non-governmental entity
  149. [17:49:51] <karstensrage> and who else?
  150. [17:50:07] <yangman> hm?
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  152. [17:50:43] <karstensrage> well you said you wouldnt trust any 3rd party IdP, so what IdP would you trust?
  153. [17:53:15] <yangman> I run my own. I still don't completely trust it for authenticating me as a person, but I have good faith that the URL it does authenticate will only reference myself for some time to come
  154. [17:54:49] <karstensrage> well thats problematic too
  155. [17:56:57] <yangman> indeed
  156. [17:58:44] <flaccid> karstensrage: i think you mean OPs not IdP's :)
  157. [17:59:15] <karstensrage> flaccid, i know you said that before i think, I dont consider OpenID to be the only solution out there so I use the more general term
  158. [17:59:54] <flaccid> karstensrage: ok then just remove the apostrophe, its not a contraction :)
  159. [18:00:46] <karstensrage> flaccid, what?
  160. [18:00:56] <karstensrage> oh my first use of it
  161. [18:01:00] <flaccid> IdPs not IdP's
  162. [18:01:00] <karstensrage> well you used it too
  163. [18:01:02] <karstensrage> :)
  164. [18:01:07] <flaccid> no i didn't.
  165. [18:01:14] <flaccid> i referenced yours
  166. [18:01:19] <flaccid> :)
  167. [18:01:20] <karstensrage> oh ok
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