IRC Log for #openid on 2009-10-20

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  2. [10:20:37] * Topic is 'http://openid.net || Got OpenID library questions? Check stackoverflow.com.'
  3. [10:20:37] * Set by keturn on Fri Jun 26 02:48:11 CEST 2009
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  64. [21:18:40] <jdpond> Is there an OpenID PEAR Channel? I've been searching for hours now.
  65. [21:19:10] <yangman> this is pretty much the only dedicated OpenID channel
  66. [21:23:42] <jdpond> I was looking for JanRain's OpenID in a PEAR package.
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  68. [21:25:17] <yangman> well, if it's not in PEAR, it probably does't exist
  69. [21:28:07] <jdpond> thank yangman, a package was submitted but rejected because it didn't follow PEAR coding standards. I just figured that if it had been submitted for consideration, RPX was available somewhere - I just needed to find it.
  70. [21:29:03] <yangman> heh. rejected
  71. [21:29:06] <yangman> can't say I'm surprised
  72. [21:30:53] <jdpond> yangman: have you used RPX?
  73. [21:31:13] <yangman> no
  74. [21:31:38] <yangman> I've been meaning to take over python-openid, but shinier things have kept me occupied
  75. [21:31:58] <jdpond> I'm looking into libraries for PHP to start with - this one seems to be getting the most talk (OpenID from JanRain)
  76. [21:32:59] <yangman> well, it has a company backing it
  77. [21:33:28] <yangman> and PHP is just widely used
  78. [21:34:07] <jdpond> The forum chat seems to indicate that a lot of people are moving that direction - Manually installing it looks like a breeze - but I've said that before.
  79. [21:44:22] <karstensrage> what forum chat?
  80. [21:49:21] <jdpond> karstensrage: Multiple forae, been cruising through all afternoon. Just noticed a trend when searching for OpenID PHP Library
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  86. [22:36:22] <cap10morgan> what is the best practice for referring to someone else's OpenID? To, for example, add an authorized user to a system that uses OpenID. Since you can't assume the URL endpoint is unique, and the claimed_id is potentially some wonky long string, how would you do it?
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  88. [22:37:13] <yangman> retrieve a sensible name using SREG or AX. failing that, require the user choose one before letting them proceed
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  90. [22:38:56] <cap10morgan> yangman: how would that work? let's say i want to let fooman@gmail.com have access to my system, and then i want to let barlady@yahoo.com have access. can i write something that is provider agnostic that will let me set those (and any other openids) up? assume i'm neither of those people, but their sysadmin.
  91. [22:39:47] <yangman> oh, you should always use the complete URL to refer to a user internally
  92. [22:40:07] <yangman> even if it's wonky and long
  93. [22:40:25] <cap10morgan> so how would you discover that?
  94. [22:40:37] <cap10morgan> for google, for example, no one knows their openid
  95. [22:40:52] <cap10morgan> because google just publishes their already semi-wonky endpoint url that everyone uses
  96. [22:41:08] <samsm> It comes back to you when you verify them through that endpoint.
  97. [22:41:26] <cap10morgan> but that's the chicken, i'm still dealing with the egg :)
  98. [22:42:46] <yangman> that wonky url _is_ the user's OpenID as far as a consumer is concerned
  99. [22:43:10] <cap10morgan> i understand that, what i'm asking is, how are people supposed to actually use it?
  100. [22:43:10] <yangman> you need to use the claimed_id
  101. [22:43:14] <cap10morgan> no one knows what it is
  102. [22:43:20] <cap10morgan> i can't easily discover it for others
  103. [22:43:23] <yangman> ?
  104. [22:43:43] <cap10morgan> i need to be able to say, "this person's openid is allowed to access my system"
  105. [22:43:54] <cap10morgan> that means i need to be able to ask a computer or a person what their openid is
  106. [22:43:59] <cap10morgan> i can't easily do either right now
  107. [22:44:03] <yangman> ah
  108. [22:44:19] <yangman> if the OP doesn't let you do that, there's really not much you can do
  109. [22:44:23] <yangman> just ask the user
  110. [22:44:32] <cap10morgan> well, the user will have no idea
  111. [22:44:54] <cap10morgan> so google is just horribly broken and i should stop allowing their openids and start publicizing how broken they are
  112. [22:44:56] <yangman> you ask them to log in using their OP
  113. [22:45:00] <cap10morgan> probably yahoo too
  114. [22:46:07] <cap10morgan> so i need to store failed logins and turn them into login requests that i can approve
  115. [22:46:22] <cap10morgan> and store the claimed_id internally, but some friendlier representation is displayed
  116. [22:47:01] <yangman> yes
  117. [22:47:31] <cap10morgan> ok, i can probably do that. thanks for talking me through it. :)
  118. [22:47:38] <yangman> np
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