IRC Log for #microformats on 2005-12-16

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  1. [00:02:15] <mfbot> [[hatom]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom&diff=0&oldid=3320 * DavidJanes * (+519) Implementations -
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  11. [01:54:16] <jibot> tantek is Tantek Çelik and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
  12. [01:56:22] <dmose> so tantek, why should i want to prefer XHTML to HTML?
  13. [01:59:54] <KevinMarks> valid xml makes some people happy
  14. [02:01:10] * dmose chuckles
  15. [02:01:12] <dmose> that is true
  16. [02:01:39] <kingryan> dmose, you can use xml tools with it, then
  17. [02:01:50] <dmose> well, i should give some more context
  18. [02:01:56] <bkdelong> Hey tabtek!
  19. [02:02:00] <bkdelong> er tantek
  20. [02:02:01] <dmose> i don't mean "what advantages does it have"
  21. [02:02:14] <dmose> but rather, right now, sunbird exports HTML
  22. [02:02:40] <dmose> and i'm trying to understand what the right thing to do in general is
  23. [02:02:41] <dmose> ie
  24. [02:02:46] <dmose> export only HTML
  25. [02:02:49] <dmose> or only XHTML
  26. [02:02:50] <dmose> or both
  27. [02:03:16] <dmose> i can think of moderately compelling arguments for making any of those choices
  28. [02:03:38] <dmose> so i'm interested in hearing other opinions
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  30. [02:05:13] <bkdelong> In what context?
  31. [02:06:06] <bkdelong> I mean, with XHTML we can do transformations to other forms of XML. For instance, with XFN + XHTML you could most likely do a transformation to FOAF....
  32. [02:06:20] <bkdelong> Or are you talking something completely different and am I being patronizing? :)
  33. [02:07:00] <dmose> well, sort of different
  34. [02:07:08] <dmose> but those are good points as well
  35. [02:10:13] <bkdelong> Well, expand :)
  36. [02:10:44] <bkdelong> Seriously though.....in addition to transforming the XML into existing schemas, it makes it easier to also transform it into something that can be pretty seemlessly pulled into a database.
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  38. [02:11:40] <dmose> right, i'll buy that XSLT is a useful thing here
  39. [02:16:20] * Hixie_ raises an eyebrow
  40. [02:17:42] <dmose> Hixie_: ...
  41. [02:20:43] <bkdelong> ?
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  43. [02:23:01] * kingryan nods
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  46. [02:35:30] <tantek> re: HTML vs. XHTML, I did a blog post on this like a year or two ago
  47. [02:35:59] <tantek> about the (minor/slight) advantages to publishing in XHTML instead of HTML
  48. [02:36:02] <factoryjoe> tantek is so ahead of himself
  49. [02:36:16] <dmose> heh
  50. [02:36:21] <dmose> tantek: ok, i'll have a look
  51. [02:37:01] <tantek> um, make that almost THREE years ago
  52. [02:37:02] <tantek> http://tantek.com/log/2003/01.html#L20030114t1345
  53. [02:37:07] <dmose> heh
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  55. [02:37:44] <tantek> ok folks g'night for now
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  57. [02:39:52] <factoryjoe> question about ie7
  58. [02:39:58] <factoryjoe> does anyone have the beta?
  59. [02:46:02] <factoryjoe> wow
  60. [02:46:06] <factoryjoe> shut down the channel
  61. [02:46:07] <factoryjoe> w00t
  62. [02:46:12] <bkdelong> heh
  63. [02:46:20] <factoryjoe> all i want to know is...
  64. [02:46:25] <factoryjoe> do they aggregate rss feeds?
  65. [02:46:31] <factoryjoe> and if so, what's the protocol?
  66. [02:46:35] <bkdelong> It's funny....I just don't care about IE7. Blech. I'm so tired of MS :)
  67. [02:46:43] <factoryjoe> apple uses feed:// and feeds: (without the slashes)
  68. [02:46:48] <factoryjoe> sure
  69. [02:46:52] <factoryjoe> but apple does something weird
  70. [02:47:04] <factoryjoe> and we need to figure out what protocol to use for one feed and many feeds
  71. [02:47:40] <bkdelong> ah
  72. [02:48:13] <bkdelong> is feeds a protocol or a client-side mime-type designation?
  73. [02:48:25] <factoryjoe> so you load up a feed in flock...
  74. [02:48:32] <factoryjoe> what should the url look like?
  75. [02:49:07] <dmose> man, why does apple feel the need to invent new URL schemes for stuff that is perfectly fine as mime-typed data
  76. [02:49:46] <dmose> factoryjoe: whatever protocol it's coming from
  77. [02:49:47] <bkdelong> http://www.example.com/feed.feedtype
  78. [02:50:21] <factoryjoe> well so what do you mean?
  79. [02:50:34] <factoryjoe> we need to reliable output rss/atom as xhtml
  80. [02:50:42] <factoryjoe> you're saying stick w/ http://?
  81. [02:50:50] <dmose> yeah
  82. [02:50:57] <factoryjoe> hmm
  83. [02:51:04] <dmose> why does a new content-type necessitate a new URL scheme?
  84. [02:51:17] <factoryjoe> well
  85. [02:51:22] <bkdelong> shouldn't....
  86. [02:51:28] <factoryjoe> because rss is a rel=alternate
  87. [02:51:42] <bkdelong> The feed is coming in via the http protocol though
  88. [02:52:03] <factoryjoe> therefore, we provide a way to switch back and forth between the normal view and the feed view..
  89. [02:52:06] <factoryjoe> but i see your point
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  91. [02:54:15] <dmose> whoops, gotta head out
  92. [02:54:18] <bkdelong> We need to stick to the standards as much as possible. Microformats is an extension of the (X)HTML standards, (which reminds me dmose, that's another reason to use XHTML - the ability to extend HTML with more attributes and tags), while using feeds://
  93. [02:54:36] <bkdelong> when http:// is truly being used is just an incorrect use of standards.
  94. [02:54:51] <bkdelong> :)
  95. [02:54:57] <bkdelong> later dmose.
  96. [02:54:58] <jcgregorio> http://bitworking.org/news/Atom_Auto_Sub_How_To
  97. [02:55:04] <dmose> seeya
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  99. [02:55:24] <jcgregorio> just to keep up with Tantek, I wrote this back in 2003 ;)
  100. [02:57:29] <factoryjoe> jcgregorio: what about favoriting a feed?
  101. [02:58:07] <factoryjoe> nm
  102. [02:58:12] <factoryjoe> dumb question
  103. [03:02:33] <bkdelong> :) You can favorite a feed no problem.
  104. [03:07:07] <factoryjoe> right
  105. [03:07:18] <factoryjoe> the problem w/ http:// is aggregating multiple feeds
  106. [03:12:12] <bkdelong> ?
  107. [03:14:20] <factoryjoe> sorry gotta run
  108. [03:14:21] <factoryjoe> thx
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  119. [06:23:54] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  130. [08:18:57] <jibot> tantek is Tantek Çelik and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  133. [08:26:04] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
  134. [08:53:00] <mfbot> [[show-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=show-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=3321 * Charles * (+182) Added more info to Strawman #9
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