IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-01-04

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  4. [00:18:17] <Tyler> So strange that domain.tld is still stuck on the Gandi redirect.
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  6. [00:20:52] <mfbot> [[xfolk-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xfolk-issues&diff=0&oldid=12105 * Tantek * (+149) moved open question from FAQ to issues
  7. [00:21:38] <mfbot> [[xfolk-faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xfolk-faq&diff=0&oldid=12106 * Tantek * (+181) restore content that was inadvertently removed with most recent revert which was attempting to only revert most recent change
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  9. [00:23:14] <Tyler> tantek: That's a whole lot of reverting. :)
  10. [00:24:01] <tantek> doing my best to keep things precise and accurate and relevant
  11. [00:25:40] <Tyler> Quite understandable. :)
  12. [00:27:28] <Tyler> tantek: Are you going to be at the RailsConf this year in Portland, OR?
  13. [00:28:26] <tantek> Tyler, are there microformats topics on the agenda? If so, please add them to the events page: http://microformats.org/wiki/events
  14. [00:28:44] <Tyler> Sure thing. I'll go take a look.
  15. [00:29:54] <Tyler> Doesn't look like they've released the schedule yet.
  16. [00:30:59] <Tyler> Their last news update was October 22nd. Hehe
  17. [00:42:26] <tantek> Hmmm... that's not a good sign.
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  21. [00:55:45] <mkaply> can someone out there please tell me what they think of this code in an hCard from upcoming.org?
  22. [00:55:46] <mkaply> <div class="url">
  23. [00:55:46] <mkaply> <div class="small">Homepage</div> <a href="http://blog.coworking.info">http://blog.coworking.info</a>
  24. [00:55:46] <mkaply> </div>
  25. [00:58:46] <mfbot> [[to-do]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do&diff=0&oldid=12107 * Dmitry Baranovskiy * (+95) help implementers -
  26. [00:58:54] <hober> the class="url" should be on the <a/>, yes?
  27. [01:01:32] <mkaply> yep. And if it's not going to be on the URL, then they can't have other text inside the DIV
  28. [01:01:38] <mkaply> becaues there is no way to get the URL
  29. [01:01:38] <tantek> Well it is now past 5pm PST.
  30. [01:01:48] <tantek> performing my admin duties...
  31. [01:01:59] <tantek> :(
  32. [01:02:18] <mkaply> upcoming.org has really screwed up their microformats. Do we know someone who can fix it?
  33. [01:02:22] <mfbot> [[Template:hcalendar-related-pages]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Template:hcalendar-related-pages&diff=0&oldid=12108 * Dmitry Baranovskiy * (+208)
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  35. [01:04:15] <jibot> julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
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  37. [01:06:38] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-schedule-creator-feedback]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar-schedule-creator-feedback * Dmitry Baranovskiy * (+1014) Conference Schedule Creator Feedback
  38. [01:07:41] <tantek> Hmm... Dmitry - could you put the conference schedule creator in hcalendar-implementations instead of related pages? it's really not high-level enough to deserve being in related pages
  39. [01:07:53] <tantek> and then add the feedback inline on the entry for it in hcalendar-implementations
  40. [01:08:08] <tantek> it's not really deserving of its own wiki page yet
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  43. [01:17:30] <tantek> Andy Mabbett <andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk> is now moderated (not banned) on microformats lists. This means that his posts MUST be approved by one of the list admins before going to the list. If he successfully sends only topical / positive / improving email to the lists for one week (i.e. no emails that moderators have to bounce or drop) then moderation may be lifted.
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  48. [01:33:08] <mkaply> briansuda: just the person I needed
  49. [01:33:17] <briansuda> yes
  50. [01:33:32] <mkaply> not sure if you saw my earlier comment - upcoming.org codes their URLs like this:
  51. [01:33:47] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and is author of "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
  52. [01:33:51] <mkaply> <div class="url">
  53. [01:33:51] <mkaply> <div class="small">Homepage</div> <a href="http://blog.coworking.info">http://blog.coworking.info</a>
  54. [01:33:51] <mkaply> </div>
  55. [01:33:59] <mkaply> that's totally wrong, right?
  56. [01:35:12] <briansuda> yes,
  57. [01:35:28] <briansuda> the value of URL would be "homepage http://blog.c....
  58. [01:36:13] <mkaply> ok. So I'm parsing it right. Just wanted to make sure. For being a Yahoo property, upcoming sure has quite a few microformat issues
  59. [01:36:55] <briansuda> they were very eary adopter, so not everything is as clean as possible
  60. [01:38:36] <mkaply> briansuda: I guess I'll continue to harass their development team on their yahoo group.
  61. [01:38:52] <mkaply> The sad part is that when I reported microformat problems to eventful, they had them fixed within a few hours
  62. [01:38:59] <briansuda> if you have spefic issues i can try to pass them on too
  63. [01:39:00] <mkaply> I reported some of these to upcoming weeks ago
  64. [01:39:14] <briansuda> i think the dev teams are two very different sizes
  65. [01:39:36] <mkaply> http://community.upcoming.org/w/index.php/Bug_Reports#Fresh_Bugs
  66. [01:39:44] <mkaply> the 12/31/2006 bugs are my bugs so far
  67. [01:41:35] <mfbot> [[xfolk-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xfolk-issues&diff=0&oldid=12109 * Bud * (+778) Issues -
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  70. [01:47:05] <Tyler> Evening all, back from work. :)
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  72. [01:58:26] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-implementations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-implementations&diff=0&oldid=12110 * Tantek * (+447) added web-based creators section and moved conference creator here
  73. [01:59:02] <mfbot> [[Template:hcalendar-related-pages]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Template:hcalendar-related-pages&diff=0&oldid=12111 * Tantek * (-200) move conference creator to hcalendar-implementations
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  80. [03:29:19] <pnhChris> spot check... <a class="url fn" href="http://placenamehere.com">Chris Casciano</a> is legit for hcard data, right?
  81. [03:29:43] <tantek> it needs to be inside a <span class="vcard"> or something similar
  82. [03:31:01] <pnhChris> right
  83. [03:31:10] <pnhChris> but inside of the container (like <address class="vcard author reviewer">)
  84. [03:32:32] <pnhChris> .. it should fit both url and n/fn optimization, right
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  87. [03:33:27] <pnhChris> [just looking for confirmation before talking to mkaply about a 'bug']
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  93. [04:18:31] <tantek> pnhChris, right
  94. [04:19:41] <tantek> my blogroll has lots of class="url fn" examples: http://tantek.com/
  95. [04:19:43] <tantek> dinner time
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  103. [04:53:36] <jibot> mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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  107. [05:03:33] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
  108. [05:10:30] <mfbot> [[recipe-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=recipe-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=12112 * AlexanderShusta * (+97) Suggested fields for inclusion -
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  112. [05:43:47] <mfbot> [[hreview-implementations]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-implementations&diff=0&oldid=12113 * JRodenburg * (+142) New Implementations -
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  118. [06:10:34] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
  119. [06:12:02] <Tyler> Hey welcome back tantek.
  120. [06:12:11] <tantek> hello Tyler
  121. [06:13:12] <Tyler> How's the evening winding down?
  122. [06:15:45] <tantek> well i would like to solve an actual practical problem today
  123. [06:15:51] <Tyler> Oh yeah? What's that?
  124. [06:16:03] <tantek> since pretty much all my time on microformats so far today was wasted on meta-discussion issues
  125. [06:16:14] <tantek> let's take a seemingly simple problem for example
  126. [06:16:21] <Tyler> Ah yeah, I remember seeing all those edits to the Wiki.
  127. [06:16:32] <Tyler> Sure! Let's hear it.
  128. [06:16:34] <tantek> that of a mini-hCard (perhaps only name and URL) pointing to a more complete version
  129. [06:17:42] <Tyler> Ah, so like a name that you'd find in a blog articles "author" line, or like a news story on a site?
  130. [06:18:55] <tantek> right
  131. [06:18:59] <tantek> or from a blogroll
  132. [06:19:09] <tantek> here is the summary of the issue to date: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-brainstorming#Auto-Discovery
  133. [06:20:01] <Tyler> I'll take a gander right now.
  134. [06:21:33] <Tyler> A simple enough end-result, but the way to get to the solution is definitely up for debate. :)
  135. [06:21:39] <tantek> sort of
  136. [06:22:06] <Tyler> What's your take on it?
  137. [06:23:12] <Tyler> Hmm, Bj?rn hasn't heard back from the Working Group?
  138. [06:23:24] <tantek> well i'm not sure that a rel value is even necessary
  139. [06:23:31] <tantek> we had a discussion a while ago about UID+URL
  140. [06:23:33] <tantek> that is
  141. [06:23:54] <tantek> is it possible to simply have class="url uid" on the <a href> to the more definitive/expanded hCard
  142. [06:24:24] <tantek> and then infer from the fact that link is *both* a URL for the hCard and *the* UID for the hCard, that at that link is definitive version of the hCard itself
  143. [06:24:34] <Tyler> I definitely see the use of having it in the anchor tag.
  144. [06:25:46] <Tyler> Yeah, hmm... I don't suppose the rev attribute would be of any use here?
  145. [06:27:34] <tantek> no, the 'rev' attribute in general is not of much use
  146. [06:27:44] <tantek> because almost everybody gets it wrong
  147. [06:27:50] <Tyler> Ah okay. I haven't really looked into rev all that much.
  148. [06:28:45] <Tyler> Keeping everything in a class would be nice.
  149. [06:29:56] <Tyler> I'm guessing with a bit of JS, one could extract the needed info from that attribute.
  150. [06:30:55] <tantek> sure - the implementation is not the issue
  151. [06:31:06] <Tyler> I really need to read up on all this stuff, I'm very new to MF. :)
  152. [06:31:09] <mfbot> [[rel-faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-faq&diff=0&oldid=12114 * Tantek * (+436) Added "Should 'rev' even be used" - in short, no. votelinks is grandfathered.
  153. [06:32:38] <tantek> Tyler - there's lots of good material in the intro pages: presentations, podcasts, etc.
  154. [06:33:02] <Tyler> Though I definitely would like to implement as many relevent ones into my upcoming ezine.
  155. [06:33:13] <Tyler> Great! I have a couple hours tonight I'll dedicate to that.
  156. [06:33:15] <mfbot> [[vote-links]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=vote-links&diff=0&oldid=12115 * Tantek * (+1) minor link fixup
  157. [06:33:29] <Tyler> I don't suppose there's an upcoming hRecipe eh? :)
  158. [06:33:37] <tantek> http://microformats.org/wiki/podcasts
  159. [06:33:43] <Tyler> Excellent, thank you tantek.
  160. [06:33:50] <tantek> http://microformats.org/wiki/presentations
  161. [06:34:11] <mfbot> [[votelinks-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=votelinks-issues&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+906) votelinks-issues moved to vote-links-issues
  162. [06:34:27] <mfbot> [[vote-links-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=vote-links-issues&diff=0&oldid=12116 * Tantek * (+1)
  163. [06:34:38] <mfbot> [[vote-links]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=vote-links&diff=0&oldid=12117 * Tantek * (+1)
  164. [06:36:13] <Tyler> Hah, where can I get one of those awesome shirts? :)
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  166. [06:38:13] <tantek> Tyler - see http://microformats.org/wiki/spread-microformats
  167. [06:38:23] <Tyler> Excellent. :)
  168. [06:40:25] <Tyler> Would you consider recipes to be subset of XOXO?
  169. [06:40:37] <tantek> not necessarily
  170. [06:40:46] <tantek> see http://microformats.org/wiki/recipe-examples
  171. [06:41:06] <Tyler> Goodness... okay, I really do need to explore the Wiki before asking questions, sorry. :)
  172. [06:42:16] <Tyler> Basically I'm interested in starting up an online cooking magazine and think MF would be the perfect way to organize and classify all the content on the site.
  173. [06:43:54] <Tyler> Interesting!
  174. [06:51:04] <tantek> wow that would be very cool
  175. [06:51:23] <tantek> start with adding support for existing microformats to your site and see how far you can get with that
  176. [06:51:39] <tantek> e.g. markup instances of people and organizations with hCard, events with hCalendar etc.
  177. [06:52:20] <mfbot> [[hcard-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=12118 * Tantek * (+996) edited Autodiscovery section, use text/directory, cleaned up and clarified current rel proposals, and added rel="expanded"
  178. [06:54:27] <Tyler> Exactly tantek.
  179. [06:56:12] <Tyler> VoteLinks for the recipes/stories/articles.
  180. [06:56:28] <Tyler> XFN to link the site users together, etc.
  181. [06:57:41] <Tyler> Would a modified hResume be suitable for user profiles?
  182. [06:58:28] <Tyler> Ah yes, and xFolk for sharing site and non-site recipes, etc.
  183. [07:01:45] <tantek> user profiles are sufficiently represented with an hCard
  184. [07:01:56] <Tyler> Perfect!
  185. [07:01:59] <tantek> take a look at what http://corkd.com/ has done, since that is in a similar genre
  186. [07:02:05] <Tyler> Excellent, will do!
  187. [07:02:07] <tantek> about food/drink
  188. [07:02:10] <tantek> with user profiles
  189. [07:02:26] <tantek> maybe hReview fo reviewing recipes
  190. [07:02:37] <Tyler> definitely
  191. [07:02:41] <mfbot> [[hcard-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=12119 * Tantek * (+1276) added more subsections, example in the wild
  192. [07:02:52] <tantek> and now I must depart for the cafe is closing
  193. [07:02:53] <Tyler> And an upcoming hRecipe for the actual goods. ;)
  194. [07:03:00] <Tyler> Ah okay, have a good night tantek!
  195. [07:03:05] <tantek> yes - but first start with existing microformats to see how far you get
  196. [07:03:06] <Tyler> We can talk more tomorrow.
  197. [07:03:09] * Tyler nods.
  198. [07:03:11] <Tyler> Definitely.
  199. [07:03:17] <tantek> and then help with developing the recipe microformat per the process
  200. [07:03:23] <Tyler> Sounds good to me!
  201. [07:03:30] <Tyler> Have a great night!
  202. [07:03:30] <tantek> ttyl
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  204. [07:04:50] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  206. [07:09:11] <Tyler> Hi there bergie.
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  208. [07:09:58] <Tyler> Hi Prometheus^.
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  212. [07:34:02] <Prometheus^> Ahoy
  213. [07:37:59] <Tyler> How's it going?
  214. [07:44:31] <Prometheus^> not too bad, just got to work, swamped with it :/
  215. [07:44:32] <Prometheus^> you?
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  217. [07:45:58] <Tyler> Oh ouch! Sorry to hear that. It's nearly midnight here and I'm in inspiration mood. :)
  218. [07:46:19] <Tyler> Hey there mrkris, welcome to the room. :)
  219. [07:46:26] <mrkris> thnx
  220. [07:46:40] <Tyler> It's a bit quiet tonight, but there are a few of us in here. :
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  223. [07:47:11] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
  224. [07:47:25] <Tyler> Hah, hey welcome back tantek!
  225. [07:47:46] <Prometheus^> Tyler: good stuff :) I shouldn't type in here, because as it happens my boss is in here and he might think I'm not working at all ;)
  226. [07:48:10] <Tyler> Ah well then, best look busy!
  227. [07:48:12] <tantek> FYI Prometheus, this channel is logged :)
  228. [07:48:22] <Tyler> We can discuss business, of course.
  229. [07:48:24] <Tyler> ;)
  230. [07:49:03] <Prometheus^> tantek: that's fine, I'm sure he doesn't mind a little bit of constructive/friendly chatter in between work :)
  231. [07:49:10] <Tyler> Ah good good.
  232. [07:49:56] <Tyler> Well tantek, now I've gotten all inspired and found myself searching for a domain to brand my conception with. :)
  233. [07:50:34] <Tyler> Prometheus^: What sort of work do you do?
  234. [07:51:37] <Prometheus^> Tyler: I work for an open source CMS consultancy, www.nemein.com
  235. [07:51:54] <Prometheus^> we are very fond of microformats, so to speak
  236. [07:52:08] <Tyler> Very cool. :)
  237. [07:52:39] <Tyler> I work for a company that laps at the feet of MS. lol
  238. [07:52:56] <mrkris> I own my own company
  239. [07:53:20] <Tyler> Actually we're a rather successful consulting company.
  240. [07:53:23] <Prometheus^> Tyler: many people do, but we are quite the opposite :)
  241. [07:53:26] <Tyler> http://ascentium.com
  242. [07:53:53] <Tyler> Prometheus^: All the more reason to enjoy your presence. :D
  243. [07:56:23] <Tyler> Not many of your type where I work/live.
  244. [07:56:35] <Tyler> I'm about 4 miles from MS's main campus.
  245. [07:57:12] <Tyler> I feel like I'm living in these new Mac commercials with the "I'm a Mac, I'm a PC."
  246. [07:57:25] <Tyler> Except there is no Mac guy. :\
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  248. [08:01:56] <Tyler> Hi izo.
  249. [08:02:07] <izo> hi
  250. [08:02:49] <mfbot> [[User:Tyler]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:Tyler * Tyler * (+265) Creating my user info.
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  252. [08:04:19] <Tyler> :)
  253. [08:04:52] <Tyler> How are things going izo?
  254. [08:05:34] <izo> fine and you ? :p
  255. [08:07:03] <Tyler> Quite well! Just discovered MF yesterday and already a huge fan.
  256. [08:07:36] <mfbot> [[irc-people]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=irc-people&diff=0&oldid=12121 * Tyler * (+48) Added Tyler Roehmholdt to IRC users list.
  257. [08:08:02] <Tyler> ?def
  258. [08:08:03] <jibot> Braindump available at: http://an9.org/~jibot
  259. [08:10:00] <Tyler> tantek: ?def <my intro statement>... that is saved then after I exit?
  260. [08:11:31] <tantek> yes. I believe you can also /msg jibot ?help
  261. [08:11:39] <Tyler> Great thanks.
  262. [08:15:00] <Tyler> ?learn Tyler is a web developer with Ascentium Corporation and is secretly developing the next big online magazine.
  263. [08:15:01] <jibot> Tyler is a web developer with Ascentium Corporation and is secretly developing the next big online magazine.
  264. [08:15:40] <Tyler> Excellent, now a simple ?def Tyler on join will do the trick?
  265. [08:16:49] <Tyler> I suppose I'll give it a go. I'll be right back. :)
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  269. [08:20:54] <Tyler> Hmm...
  270. [08:21:14] <Tyler> '?def' doesn't seem to be saving my info.
  271. [08:25:31] <tantek> ?def Tyler
  272. [08:25:31] <jibot> Tyler is a web developer with Ascentium Corporation and is secretly developing the next big online magazine.
  273. [08:25:37] <Tyler> Hmm
  274. [08:26:03] <Tyler> I threw that into my "on join" commands list and nadda.
  275. [08:27:00] <Tyler> Oh well, not that big of a deal. :)
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  277. [08:34:39] <Tyler> Anyway, I'm off to bed, have a great night everyone!
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  279. [08:55:39] <izo> pfff it's morning :) (for me)
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  317. [12:46:54] <mfbot> [[job-listing-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=job-listing-examples&diff=0&oldid=12127 * NTollervey * (+737) Added 37 signals and JobServe
  318. [12:48:05] <mfbot> [[rel-faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-faq&diff=0&oldid=12128 * SteveIvy * (+57) Should 'rev' even be used - Add cite to Google Authoring Study
  319. [12:48:46] <mfbot> [[job-listing-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=job-listing-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=12129 * NTollervey * (-13)
  320. [12:51:30] <ntoll> hi, what is the process for changing a proposed microformat's name? I'm interested in helping develop the Job-listing mfmt but I agree with Andy Mabbett that it should be re-named to Vacancy (hVacancy?). Can't seem to find anything about this sort of process on the wiki... Any suggestions?
  321. [12:51:31] <redmonk> ogg to work
  322. [12:51:35] <redmonk> off even
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  329. [13:49:39] <mfbot> [[hresume-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume-issues&diff=0&oldid=12130 * NTollervey * (+633) Issues -
  330. [13:55:07] <monkinetic> tantek: question re: rev
  331. [13:55:52] <monkinetic> if rev is deprecated, and votelink came up today, what would you recommende using?
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  337. [14:29:02] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  339. [14:47:46] <peace-keeper> hi, got a noob question: how do microformats relate to the semantic web? is there an automatic "mapping" process for producing RDF from a microformatted webpage?
  340. [14:48:27] <Prometheus^> oh dear
  341. [14:48:32] <Prometheus^> :)
  342. [14:48:48] * monkinetic ducks
  343. [14:50:11] <peace-keeper> lol
  344. [14:53:01] <bengee> several people are working on mappings and transformations already, although implementing mf's various disambiguation exceptions can get complicated
  345. [14:56:43] <bengee> s/can get/is/
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  351. [15:29:14] <mfbot> [[User:ScottWallick]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:ScottWallick * ScottWallick * (+733) Basic information on Scott
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  353. [15:35:19] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and is author of "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
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  358. [15:48:11] <mfbot> [[course-catalog-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=course-catalog-examples&diff=0&oldid=12132 * JesseRodgers * (+763) Course Catalog -
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  361. [16:01:47] <monkinetic> tantek: ping
  362. [16:01:54] <monkinetic> did yous ee my q. earlier?
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  370. [16:28:58] <pnhChris> mkaply: RE: fn optimization being not implemented... that'll do it =)
  371. [16:30:12] <mkaply> pnhChris: yeah. I can't believe I put it off. Took five minutes
  372. [16:30:20] <mkaply> doh
  373. [16:32:10] <pnhChris> any idea on the org issue? that just a todo item as well?
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  377. [16:34:51] <mkaply> pnhChris: I think that should be fixed as well. I wasn't handling the fn/org well at all.
  378. [16:35:06] <mkaply> pnhChris: I now follow the optimization to the letter (working on nickname now)
  379. [16:39:41] <tantek> ntoll, the name of a proposed microformat is perhaps one of the last things one should be worried about - see http://microformats.org/wiki/naming-principles for more on this
  380. [16:40:36] <tantek> monkinetic, if the idea of a microformat to represent votes came up today, it would have to follow the process first, which is to gather examples of actual usage on web pages of "vote" semantics etc.
  381. [16:41:10] <ntoll> tantek, I agree. It was simply the first thing that came to mind when looking through the information on the wiki.
  382. [16:41:14] <tantek> before any decision about how to represent it in markup came up
  383. [16:41:20] <tantek> ntoll - yes that's the problem
  384. [16:41:27] <tantek> naming should NOT be the first thing that comes to mind
  385. [16:41:33] <tantek> it is perhaps the least important aspect
  386. [16:41:39] <tantek> from a data integrity perspective
  387. [16:41:51] <tantek> and yet traditionally people obsess way too much about names
  388. [16:42:01] <tantek> which is why it is postponed to pretty much last in the process
  389. [16:42:13] <tantek> to avoid wasting time on it instead of other more important aspects
  390. [16:42:46] <monkinetic> tantek: well, I don't see vote-links having particularly widespead penetration at this point - is it worth going through the process? and, btw, is the prcess documented on the wiki somewhere?
  391. [16:43:00] <tantek> http://microformats.org/wiki/process :D
  392. [16:43:05] <ntoll> tantek, I agree 100%, but sometimes the temptation is just too much :)
  393. [16:43:22] <tantek> ntoll - true, we must all do what we can to break old habits and temptations ;)
  394. [16:44:03] <ntoll> Well, this being the new year... I have a further question about job-listing uFormat with regard to hResume:
  395. [16:44:10] <tantek> monkinetic, you're right that vote-links hasn't taken off like many other microformats have. Though SteveIvy has produced a rather nice recent implementation.
  396. [16:44:32] <tantek> also - it would be interesting to do the research anyway
  397. [16:44:34] <monkinetic> monkinetic == SteveIvy
  398. [16:44:36] <monkinetic> :-)
  399. [16:44:46] <tantek> ah handles
  400. [16:44:58] <pnhChris> i still need to take some time and gather my thoughts RE: reusing elements of hresume
  401. [16:45:02] <ntoll> Put crudely, the standard (funnel) recruitment process is finding the best match between a vacancy's requirements (e.g. required skills, experience and education level) and what your candidate's have to offer (or vice-versa if using the reverse funnel process).
  402. [16:45:03] <tantek> and see what the process produced
  403. [16:45:35] <tantek> ntoll - sounds like good information to add to the problem description
  404. [16:45:48] <ntoll> hResume includes sections for skills, education and experience but doesn't include means of describing levels of attainment. This is a shame as it would be an *insanely useful* feature to be able to marry hResume and a Vacancy uFormat so they complement each other with these items of information.
  405. [16:48:09] <mfbot> [[microformats-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=microformats-issues&diff=0&oldid=12133 * DrErnie * (+1077) Issues - Governance
  406. [16:48:43] <monkinetic> $def
  407. [16:48:46] <monkinetic> oops
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  409. [16:49:41] <jibot> mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
  410. [16:50:50] <monkinetic> ntoll: Vacancy to me says "apartment for rent", not "job opening"
  411. [16:52:05] <ntoll> monkinetic, hmmm... well, I'm in the UK, maybe this is a case of two nations separated by the same language? :-)
  412. [16:52:17] <monkinetic> perhaps
  413. [16:52:27] <tantek> indeed - I tend to agree with monkinetic
  414. [16:52:49] <tantek> note: http://flickr.com/photos/tags/vacancy
  415. [16:53:00] <tantek> signs that indicate available rooms dominate
  416. [16:53:02] <monkinetic> ?learn monkinetic is redmonk is SteveIvy is Steve Ivy - http://redmonk.net
  417. [16:53:03] <jibot> monkinetic is redmonk/Steve Ivy and can be found at http://redmonk.net and redmonk is SteveIvy is Steve Ivy - http://redmonk.net
  418. [16:53:17] <ntoll> well, as you mentioned, its the least important thing to worry about.
  419. [16:53:22] <tantek> yes
  420. [16:53:25] <monkinetic> oh shoot
  421. [16:53:31] <monkinetic> ?forgetme
  422. [16:53:31] <jibot> I have expunged monkinetic from my mind
  423. [16:53:43] <monkinetic> ?learn monkinetic is redmonk is SteveIvy is Steve Ivy - http://redmonk.net
  424. [16:53:43] <jibot> monkinetic is redmonk is SteveIvy is Steve Ivy - http://redmonk.net
  425. [16:53:50] <tantek> however you are welcome to add the information / suggestions to a section on the appropriate *-brainstorming page
  426. [16:54:01] <tantek> so that we can put aside discussion for now
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  428. [16:54:55] <ntoll> brb
  429. [16:55:28] <monkinetic> tantek / KevinMarks: should we open vote-links back up for discussion per http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-faq#Should_.27rev.27_even_be_used ?
  430. [16:56:17] <tantek> monkinetic - I think you can pursue research into voting without having to address the question of reopening vote-links per se.
  431. [16:56:24] <tantek> start with voting-examples per the process
  432. [16:56:35] * monkinetic nods
  433. [16:56:36] <tantek> and document existing sites that have voting mechanisms
  434. [16:56:40] <tantek> e.g. Digg
  435. [16:56:46] <tantek> Urban Dictionary
  436. [16:56:47] <tantek> etc.
  437. [16:56:55] <tantek> and perhaps even instances on blogs
  438. [16:57:14] <tantek> how do bloggers reference / cite / link things that they agree with or disagree with (or are neutral)?
  439. [16:57:21] <tantek> what markup and/or prose do they use?
  440. [16:57:32] <tantek> is there sufficient visible information there to be marked up?
  441. [16:57:55] <tantek> with more data we can make a better decision of what to do vis-a-vis vote-links
  442. [17:00:08] <monkinetic> ok
  443. [17:00:11] <monkinetic> thanks
  444. [17:00:31] <ntoll> with regard to "skill" for example, the current rel-tag would have to be "expanded" to enable the inclusion of some sort of skill "level" or length of experience. Hmmm... I assume I just write these ideas up on the wiki under the brainstorming page?
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  446. [17:09:15] <jibot> danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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  451. [17:18:26] <monkinetic> how does the "see also" section at the beginning of a wiki page differ from "references", "related work" and "faq" links at the bottom?
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  457. [17:35:10] <jibot> gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
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  462. [17:46:54] <jibot> Tyler is a web developer with Ascentium Corporation and is secretly developing the next big online magazine.
  463. [17:47:35] <Tyler> Morning all!
  464. [17:51:03] <monkinetic> hi Tyler
  465. [17:51:37] <Tyler> Hey there monkinetic! How's the morning going?
  466. [17:51:43] <monkinetic> almost gone here
  467. [17:51:51] <monkinetic> nbot baddish
  468. [17:52:03] <Tyler> Ah nice, done for the day?
  469. [17:52:14] <monkinetic> writing voting-examples and fearful that i'm going to embarass myself for posterity on the wiki
  470. [17:52:31] <monkinetic> no, just the morning is almost gone
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  472. [17:55:52] <monkinetic> KevinMarks: ping
  473. [17:55:58] <Tyler> Pff! I'm sure it's fine. I'm very much interested in the voting system.
  474. [17:56:11] <Tyler> I'm looking to implement such system in my upcoming eZine.
  475. [17:56:44] <monkinetic> well, i'm a frustrated perfectionist - impatient as hell as just angsty that I'm going to do it wrong
  476. [17:58:02] <Tyler> Ah, hehe. I'm a semantic and standards fool who can never seem to get any of my clients to agree that pages need to be semantic for more meaningful search and navigation results.
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  478. [17:59:16] <jibot> iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
  479. [17:59:23] <mfbot> [[currency-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=currency-issues&diff=0&oldid=12134 * Emil * (+358) Alternative 3 with built-in scale
  480. [18:01:21] <Tyler> Hi iand.
  481. [18:02:59] <mfbot> [[voting-examples]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/voting-examples * SteveIvy * (+2445) Start documenting examples of voting in general use online
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  484. [18:07:09] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  486. [18:13:06] <monkinetic> tantek: would you mind reviewing voting-examples? it's short, but it's a start
  487. [18:16:49] <Tyler> Hey there tantek!
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  489. [18:19:35] <tantek> that was fast
  490. [18:20:12] <monkinetic> tantek: i'm impatient (it's a weakness)
  491. [18:20:48] <tantek> i'm a bit busy today for a few hours so I'd recommend starting by asking microformats-discuss to review
  492. [18:20:57] <monkinetic> sure nuf
  493. [18:21:12] <bewest> is this for a starbar-like thing a la netflix?
  494. [18:21:13] <Tyler> monkinetic: Another voting example would be jpgmag.com
  495. [18:21:37] <Tyler> http://www.jpgmag.com/photos/40196
  496. [18:21:41] <Tyler> There's an example.
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  498. [18:23:15] <jibot> Ronnos is Ron Kok, a friendly student Communication and Multimedia Design in The Netherlands
  499. [18:24:07] <bewest> ah interesting
  500. [18:24:09] <Tyler> Hi there Ronnos.
  501. [18:24:13] <Tyler> And bewest.
  502. [18:24:35] <Ronnos> Hi Tyler
  503. [18:24:40] <bewest> Jakob Nielsen wrote in one of his usability books that he believed a kind of credential registry for the web would crop up
  504. [18:25:05] <bewest> and that registry-aware applications could then aide the user in avoiding spam and such
  505. [18:25:28] <bewest> this voting thing would enable a distributed version of that concept, yes?
  506. [18:25:39] <bewest> hi Tyler
  507. [18:26:36] <Tyler> Basically to give someone credentials?
  508. [18:26:56] <bewest> erm, not credentials in the sense of authentication
  509. [18:27:05] <bewest> merely in the sense that a given site is not spam
  510. [18:27:20] <Tyler> Ah right.
  511. [18:27:21] <Ronnos> as in junk or not-junk
  512. [18:27:24] <bewest> more like a respect-ometer
  513. [18:27:27] * Tyler nods.
  514. [18:27:32] <Tyler> Makes good sense.
  515. [18:29:40] <bewest> maybe/maybe not :-)
  516. [18:29:59] <Ronnos> because?
  517. [18:30:13] <Tyler> I'm going to be implementing a good number of MFs into this eZine I'm in the exploratory phases of.
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  519. [18:30:44] <Ronnos> nice
  520. [18:31:14] <Tyler> Yeah, I'd like to utilized the voting and hReview for sure.
  521. [18:31:42] <Ronnos> what's the eZine about?
  522. [18:32:33] <Ronnos> or is it eZine in the sense of online magazine about internet?
  523. [18:32:40] <Tyler> It's going to be a user-powered cooking/food mag.
  524. [18:33:02] <Tyler> Basically users will submit their recipes and food-related stories/articles.
  525. [18:33:16] <Ronnos> damn, had the same idea, well, 4 months ago!
  526. [18:33:18] <Ronnos> :)
  527. [18:33:25] <Ronnos> only the mag was a website :P
  528. [18:33:44] <Tyler> I'd also like to have a photo section where people submit pictures of their dishes and such.
  529. [18:33:48] <Ronnos> but... not enough free time :P
  530. [18:34:08] <Tyler> Hehe, this would be a website, though the issues would be distributed as PDF.
  531. [18:34:13] <Tyler> And an online version.
  532. [18:34:22] <Ronnos> aha
  533. [18:34:26] <Ronnos> mixing things up, great
  534. [18:34:28] <Ronnos> :)
  535. [18:35:10] <Tyler> After submitting, recipes/stories/photos go into a sandbox type environment, where users get a month to try out the recipes and rate them.
  536. [18:35:14] <Ronnos> i think there's a big audience for that kind of things
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  538. [18:35:49] <Tyler> The highest rated ones get put into the magazine, along with the best photos and stories.
  539. [18:35:49] <Ronnos> and, it's always nice to see some MF magic in action ;)
  540. [18:35:54] <Tyler> Oh definitely!
  541. [18:36:16] <Ronnos> aha, maybe an idea to markup users with hcard
  542. [18:36:26] <bewest> iirc Christina Wodtke or Tidwell has something like that
  543. [18:36:31] <bewest> one of them
  544. [18:36:33] <bewest> I can't remember
  545. [18:36:41] <Ronnos> and present them as such
  546. [18:36:44] <bewest> wrote a book on IA
  547. [18:36:50] <Ronnos> ehm
  548. [18:36:54] <Ronnos> Jennifer Tidwell
  549. [18:37:00] <bewest> yeah
  550. [18:37:04] <bewest> didn't remember her first name
  551. [18:37:12] <Ronnos> Designing Interfaces
  552. [18:37:12] <Tyler> Oh? She has a cooking site?
  553. [18:37:18] <bewest> one of them does
  554. [18:37:20] <bewest> it's large
  555. [18:37:33] <bewest> maybe collaboration would get you off the ground sooner
  556. [18:38:54] <Tyler> Huh... I'm searching for it right now. :)
  557. [18:39:10] <bewest> Wodtke's site
  558. [18:39:36] <Tyler> eleganthack.com?
  559. [18:40:06] <Ronnos> (btw, tiddwel wrote a great book)
  560. [18:40:43] <bewest> they both wrote good books
  561. [18:41:09] <Tyler> I only see Boxes and Arrows as a zine to her name.
  562. [18:41:36] <bewest> nah, she has a bunch of websites :-)
  563. [18:41:43] <Tyler> Ah
  564. [18:41:50] <bewest> it might have gone offline, and she might have replaced it with her food blog
  565. [18:41:58] <bewest> looks like the old one is still up
  566. [18:42:04] <bewest> not sure it's what I remember though
  567. [18:42:13] <bewest> she mentions a user-powered recipe site in her book
  568. [18:42:19] <Tyler> Huh
  569. [18:42:49] <Tyler> Ah just a recipe site though? I'm wanting to do a full-fledged food mag. :)
  570. [18:43:17] <bewest> dunno
  571. [18:43:33] <Tyler> http://www.spiceindiaonline.com/
  572. [18:43:38] <Tyler> Haha
  573. [18:44:34] <Tyler> That's for the heads up bewest. I'll need to look into it to make sure I'm not being a complete copycat. :)
  574. [18:45:22] <bewest> copy cats are ok :-)
  575. [18:45:49] <Ronnos> only if they copy and improve what they've copied ;)
  576. [18:45:55] <Tyler> As long as they're leaning, meaner, and vastly improved. :)
  577. [18:46:02] <Tyler> *leaner
  578. [18:46:03] <bewest> the more like other site your sites are, the easier other people can start using it with a smaller learning curve
  579. [18:46:34] <Tyler> True true.
  580. [18:46:57] <Ronnos> but always remember: they are not always idiots ;)
  581. [18:47:07] <Tyler> Now I just need a web app developer to work with.
  582. [18:47:19] <Tyler> Since I know nothing beyond HTML/CSS/JavaScript. :)
  583. [18:49:08] <Ronnos> lol
  584. [18:50:36] <Tyler> I hate have viable and marketable ideas with no technology knowledge to bring it to fruition. :(
  585. [18:50:49] <Tyler> *having
  586. [18:51:01] <Ronnos> same here
  587. [18:51:02] <Ronnos> :)
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  589. [18:54:25] <Tyler> Hey there RobertBachmann.
  590. [18:54:31] <RobertBachmann> hi
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  592. [18:56:57] <jibot> mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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  594. [19:00:02] <Tyler> Hi mlinksva.
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  596. [19:03:01] <Tyler> Hey welcome back izo.
  597. [19:03:37] <mfbot> [[currency-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=currency-issues&diff=0&oldid=12135 * Emil * (+595) Comments -
  598. [19:04:05] <izo> re
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  602. [19:09:50] <Tyler> ?forgetme
  603. [19:09:51] <jibot> I have expunged Tyler from my mind
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  605. [19:11:47] <jibot> Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
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  607. [19:12:05] <Tyler> Hey evening Phae!
  608. [19:12:08] <Phae> evening
  609. [19:12:32] <Tyler> How was the day?
  610. [19:13:03] <Phae> tiring and busy.
  611. [19:13:15] <Tyler> Ah sorry to hear. Any plans for the evening besides relaxing?
  612. [19:13:58] <Phae> i have a site i'm meant to build. a favour for a friend of a friend who's doing bike rides around europe and asia shortly for charity
  613. [19:15:23] <Tyler> Oh nice!
  614. [19:16:08] <Phae> he wants to blog and such while he's gone and keep everyone updated
  615. [19:16:41] <Tyler> That should be rather fun. Any specific theme they're looking to go with?
  616. [19:16:46] <Tyler> For page style, etc?
  617. [19:17:18] <Phae> Dunno. He has a design. Thing is - he asked a university to get some of their students to do it for them as a project
  618. [19:17:24] <Phae> and what they produced is just utter rubbish
  619. [19:17:40] <Phae> but at least he sort of likes hte design, although I think it's a bit :S so I will improve it
  620. [19:19:06] <Tyler> Excellent, less work and more creativity for you. :)
  621. [19:19:28] <Phae> mm
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  623. [19:22:25] <Tyler> I'm debating how I'm going to go about implementing this user-powered magazine idea I have.
  624. [19:22:49] <Tyler> I'd like to take the http://www.jpgmag.com sort of route, but not exactly.
  625. [19:24:16] <monkinetic> can someone help me understand "normative references"?
  626. [19:24:51] <bewest> are you familiar with the usage of "normative"?
  627. [19:25:01] <bewest> eg normative versus informative
  628. [19:25:25] <monkinetic> i've heard the term but am unsure of the exact peaning
  629. [19:25:34] <monkinetic> so, um, no
  630. [19:25:36] <bewest> ok
  631. [19:25:52] <bewest> normative is similar to being 'prescriptive'
  632. [19:26:18] <monkinetic> "do it this way"
  633. [19:26:33] <monkinetic> ?
  634. [19:26:48] <bewest> A normative (or "prescriptive") claim is one that could be true only if someone or other ought to do something, or something ought to be the case. A normative term is one that cannot be used except in making normative claims. Contrasted with (merely) descriptive claims/terms.
  635. [19:26:48] <bewest> www.shef.ac.uk/~phil/other/philterms.html
  636. [19:26:49] <bewest> yes
  637. [19:26:55] <bewest> "do it this way or it's wrong", actually
  638. [19:27:00] <monkinetic> ah
  639. [19:27:14] <bewest> When something, such as a standard or a judgment or evaluation, is normative, it concerns respects in which something is good or bad. Therefore, value judgments are normative, but the judgment that X is greener, or heavier, than Y is not. A standard of excellence is normative, in this sense, but a standard of measurement or a statistical norm is not.
  640. [19:27:14] <bewest> www.unmc.edu/ethics/words.html
  641. [19:27:51] <monkinetic> so in the example "example" page, it recommends linking to normative references for tags used, meaning links to the specs relating to any tags involved in the uF
  642. [19:28:00] <monkinetic> yes?
  643. [19:28:24] <bewest> if I undestand correctly, yes
  644. [19:28:32] <bewest> take a look at some of the w3 standards
  645. [19:28:46] <bewest> the 'standards' that w3 produces are actually called recommendations
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  647. [19:28:54] <mfbot> [[voting-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=voting-examples&diff=0&oldid=12136 * SteveIvy * (+912) reformat according to example-template
  648. [19:28:59] <bewest> and in them, you'll notice sections that are tagged as 'normative'
  649. [19:29:05] <bewest> or non-normative or informative
  650. [19:29:19] <Tyler> Hi JMulder.
  651. [19:29:29] <bewest> then if you notice, when they make references to prexisting technology, such as SGML, or HTTP, they'll have a link at the bottom
  652. [19:29:36] <bewest> those are normative references
  653. [19:29:39] <JMulder_> Hey Tyler. Ignore me. I am just timing out to annoy you all :)
  654. [19:29:47] <Tyler> Haha, righto.
  655. [19:30:41] <bewest> monkinetic: http://www.w3.org/TR/xslt#section-Normative-References
  656. [19:31:02] <monkinetic> ok
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  658. [19:32:45] <bewest> monkinetic: does that help?
  659. [19:32:51] <monkinetic> i think so, thanks
  660. [19:32:54] <Tyler> Doing a ?def set, don't mind the couple lines of junk.
  661. [19:32:55] <Tyler> ?learn Tyler is a web developer working towards a user-powered online magazine utilizing Microformats.
  662. [19:32:55] <jibot> Tyler is a web developer working towards a user-powered online magazine utilizing Microformats.
  663. [19:32:57] <bewest> monkinetic: it's a good question :-)
  664. [19:33:06] <Tyler> ?def Tyler
  665. [19:33:06] <jibot> Tyler is a web developer working towards a user-powered online magazine utilizing Microformats.
  666. [19:33:15] <Tyler> Excellent.
  667. [19:33:19] <Tyler> Sorry for that. :)
  668. [19:33:49] <bewest> Tyler: I suggest you implement the major components as webservices
  669. [19:34:01] <bewest> and the front end is simply a website that consumes all the separate webservices
  670. [19:34:20] <bewest> eg, look at something like evdb's api
  671. [19:34:26] <bewest> but make it relevant to recipes/ratings
  672. [19:34:29] <Tyler> Oh definitely. My developer is well-versed with RESTful implementation and amazing with Rails.
  673. [19:34:39] <Tyler> We're going to have fun.
  674. [19:35:16] <Tyler> Sure bewest, I'll take a gander for sure.
  675. [19:35:47] <Tyler> Oh cool, this is neat stuff bewest.
  676. [19:35:54] <monkinetic> bewest: would "links to people talking about this issue" go in an example page? or would that be in a seperate page?
  677. [19:35:57] <Tyler> I'm always interested in new stuff.
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  681. [19:38:50] <jibot> cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end architect with rd2inc.com
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  697. [20:30:48] <Tyler> Welcome back ten
  698. [20:30:56] <Tyler> *tantek
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  700. [20:34:33] <Tyler> Hi szaboat.
  701. [20:34:41] <szaboat> hi Tyler
  702. [20:37:09] <Tyler> How's the day going szaboat?
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  704. [20:38:48] <szaboat> Tyler: thank you :) i have a sore throat, but the day is fine
  705. [20:39:09] <Tyler> Oh no! When did you get the sore throat?
  706. [20:39:09] <mfbot> [[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=12138 * Zaza * (+80615)
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  708. [20:40:30] <jibot> Mr_Elusive is not a programmer from id but makes his home at http://eswat.ca
  709. [20:40:31] <szaboat> Tyler: at work, installing long range outdoor wifi ... but it's not microformats related :)
  710. [20:40:42] <Tyler> Haha.
  711. [20:40:53] <Tyler> Well, I hope you get better!
  712. [20:41:01] <szaboat> thanks :)
  713. [20:41:05] <Tyler> hSoreThroat
  714. [20:41:06] <Tyler> ;)
  715. [20:41:56] <szaboat> hAha
  716. [20:41:56] <Tyler> What sort of MF work do you do?
  717. [20:42:26] <Tyler> I just started reading up on them on Tuesday and already I'm planning on implementing them in my upcoming project.
  718. [20:42:45] <mfbot> [[Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=12139 * RobertBachmann * (-80615) Reverted edit of Zaza, changed back to last version by SteveIvy
  719. [20:43:06] <mfbot> [[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * RobertBachmann * (+0) blocked "User:Zaza" with an expiry time of infinited: spam
  720. [20:43:12] <szaboat> building websites in my sparetime :) blogs, community sites
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  723. [20:43:34] <szaboat> i love them :)
  724. [20:44:00] <Tyler> Nice! I'm going to be publishing a user-powered online food magazine.
  725. [20:46:04] <szaboat> about cooking or about eating ?
  726. [20:46:36] <Tyler> Cooking mostly, but there can/will be user submitted stories about food and food-related issues.
  727. [20:46:49] <Tyler> The community decides what the next issue will contain. :)
  728. [20:47:02] <szaboat> i've seen a video receipe site
  729. [20:47:20] <szaboat> the photos were delicious :)
  730. [20:47:24] <bewest> vidoes would be cool
  731. [20:47:33] <bewest> like America's Test Kitchen
  732. [20:47:34] <Tyler> Huh, that's cool. :)
  733. [20:47:37] <bewest> my father uses that all the time
  734. [20:47:40] <Tyler> Hehe
  735. [20:55:15] <Tyler> The only solid piece of information I know is that it's going to be called Flambé. :)
  736. [20:55:40] <bewest> I don't know how to type that :-(
  737. [20:55:45] <szaboat> flamin' flambe'
  738. [20:56:03] <Tyler> Oh well, the URL isn't going to be flambé.com for obvious reasons.
  739. [20:56:04] <Tyler> :)
  740. [20:56:08] <Tyler> I was thinking flambeed.
  741. [20:56:18] <Tyler> Or flambemag.com or something.
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  743. [20:56:43] <jibot> danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
  744. [20:57:06] <Tyler> Hi danja.
  745. [20:57:26] <danja> hiya!
  746. [20:58:14] <Tyler> How's the day going?
  747. [21:00:05] <Tyler> (got to make a phone call, I'll be back)
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  750. [21:19:04] <Tyler> And back. :)
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  754. [21:24:10] <jibot> danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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  756. [21:24:27] <Tyler> Hey welcome back danja..... lol
  757. [21:24:33] <Tyler> Goodness.
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  760. [21:47:19] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
  761. [22:03:28] <Tyler> What's on slate for today tantek?
  762. [22:03:51] <tantek> still thinking about auto-discovery issues for hCards
  763. [22:05:23] <tantek> http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-brainstorming#Auto-Discovery
  764. [22:06:17] <Tyler> Nice tantek. I'll do some thinking on that tonight after work.
  765. [22:06:29] <Tyler> If I'm not too hunkered down with Flambe. ;)
  766. [22:06:30] <tantek> Tyler - what is the URL of your website?
  767. [22:06:44] <Tyler> tantek: None yet. I'll be purchasing a domain this evening.
  768. [22:06:53] <tantek> that's a good place to start
  769. [22:06:54] <Tyler> I do have an IP that I'm developing on though, but with no content yet.
  770. [22:07:03] <Tyler> I'm considering a couple of options.
  771. [22:07:09] <tantek> when you add your contact page with hCard
  772. [22:07:21] <Tyler> flambeed.com, flambemag.com, etc.
  773. [22:07:24] <tantek> then the question of auto-discovery will make much more practical sense
  774. [22:07:25] <Tyler> Taking suggestions of course.
  775. [22:07:30] * Tyler nods.
  776. [22:07:33] <tantek> thus i suggest u get that far first
  777. [22:09:03] <Tyler> Sounds like a plan. I'll be discussing domain options with my lead developer tonight. :)
  778. [22:09:17] <Tyler> He's very much into the RESTful scene.
  779. [22:09:19] <mfbot> [[hcard-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=12140 * Tantek * (+53) link up blog roll person linking example
  780. [22:09:39] <Tyler> So introducing him to MF will be easy and painless. :)
  781. [22:09:47] <tantek> Tyler, I'd suggest you start with installing a blogging tool of your choice to handle your home page.
  782. [22:10:11] <tantek> Some web hosting services offer that at no extra charge.
  783. [22:10:29] <Tyler> I know that my domain registrar offers a blog with no hosting required.
  784. [22:10:38] <Tyler> Which is nice, and soon e-mail as well.
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  786. [22:14:01] <Tyler> What engine/service do you use?
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  788. [22:21:59] * monkinetic chuckles that none of the names on the wiki are marked up as hcards
  789. [22:23:21] <Tyler> Hi monkinetic!
  790. [22:23:49] <Tyler> I sort of threw that info page on myself together in about 30 seconds, haha.
  791. [22:26:03] <monkinetic> and the wiki rendering is not microformat friendly. *sigh*
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  794. [22:31:01] <mfbot> [[User:SteveIvy]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:SteveIvy&diff=0&oldid=12141 * SteveIvy * (+143)
  795. [22:31:15] <bewest> tantek: what do you mean by autodiscovery?
  796. [22:31:36] <tantek> bewest - that is one of the questions :)
  797. [22:32:17] <mfbot> [[User:SteveIvy]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:SteveIvy&diff=0&oldid=12142 * SteveIvy * (-143) revert to pre-b0rked version
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  800. [22:34:11] <bewest> tantek: is it "here is a list of characteristics of web pages that when present indicate the statistical probability that an hcard is present in this resource"?
  801. [22:35:09] <tantek> no that is too abstract/theoretical - and that's part of the problem
  802. [22:35:10] * bewest would hazard a guess that identifying blogs works along the similar principles
  803. [22:35:25] <tantek> we need a concrete set of auto-discovery cases that are iterated with actual real world examples
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  805. [22:35:34] <monkinetic> (wow, a serious lack of response to http://www.mail-archive.com/microformats-discuss@microformats.org/msg06065.html)
  806. [22:35:58] * monkinetic posits that VoteBack is an example of auto-discovery
  807. [22:36:03] * bewest wishes original author and subject appeared in the url
  808. [22:36:14] <tantek> monkinetic - don't fret - many subjects are digested by folks for a while before they respond
  809. [22:36:21] <monkinetic> k ;-)
  810. [22:36:43] <monkinetic> alrighty, back in a couple hours. time to go sit in traffic for 50 minutes.
  811. [22:37:39] <bewest> it's too abstract?
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  814. [22:38:45] <bewest> tantek: I'm a bit confused, are you suggesting the statistical probability determined by characteristics in a resource doesn't use actual real world examples?
  815. [22:39:16] <bewest> in my mind the only way to do it is with representative sampling
  816. [22:39:48] <bewest> or do you mean it's too hard because it requires lots of legwork (eg analyzing crawl data) that few organizations/people can participate in?
  817. [22:40:01] <bewest> latter seems more likely
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  819. [22:42:45] <tantek> i'm not sure that we need sampling - yet
  820. [22:43:00] <tantek> let's start with just a list of well-defined cases
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  822. [22:43:17] <tantek> and that's what i've started trying to iterate in that section of hCard brainstorming
  823. [22:43:26] <bewest> use cases or prototypical resources?
  824. [22:43:32] <tantek> real world use cases
  825. [22:43:41] <tantek> backed by real world examples in the wild
  826. [22:44:06] <bewest> use cases of autodiscovery? (sorry, just trying to align my frame of reference...)
  827. [22:44:07] <tantek> example use case: give me the definitive/most-detailed hCard for this blog/site etc.
  828. [22:44:17] <tantek> otherwise known to most people as the "contact information"
  829. [22:44:35] <tantek> parts of it are solved
  830. [22:44:36] <tantek> you go to a site
  831. [22:44:47] <tantek> per HTML4, the contact information for the page is marked up via <address>
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  833. [22:45:00] <tantek> e.g. http://tantek.com/ I have a mini-hCard in the footer in an <address>
  834. [22:45:08] <tantek> but that's only a mini-hCard
  835. [22:45:19] <tantek> I might have a separate contact page which has more information
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  837. [22:45:37] <tantek> and my mini-hCard might link to that more expansive contact page which has a much bigger hCard
  838. [22:45:50] <tantek> currently there is no way to indicate that link relationship for example
  839. [22:45:57] <bewest> ah ok
  840. [22:46:05] <tantek> so that an implementation could auto-discover the contact information for a site
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  842. [22:46:20] <tantek> the problem with the term "auto-discovery" is that it is too vague, and too overloaded
  843. [22:46:28] <bewest> so by 'autodiscovery', you mean the mechanism which would relate the mini-hcard to your 'authoritative' hcard?
  844. [22:46:47] <tantek> thus if you want to have a meaningful discussion about auto-discovery, you need to specify a particular use-case/example-case to discuss - otherwise you end up talking in theoretical circles
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  846. [22:46:59] <tantek> and thus have a very specific, useful auto-discovery discussion
  847. [22:47:22] <tantek> generic auto-discovery discussions are pretty much a complete waste of time
  848. [22:47:36] <bewest> a siren call?
  849. [22:47:47] <bewest> Siren's call
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  851. [22:52:17] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  854. [22:53:06] <jibot> shawn is in San Francisco
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  856. [22:54:01] <jibot> iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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  858. [23:06:44] <BobJonkma1> Hi Tantek: Following up on the car phone picture you proved on hcard yesterday, wouldn't a non-cellular phone be even more appropriate for type="car" ? http://media.knuttz.net/0701/mobile_phones/old_mobile_phones_002.jpg
  859. [23:07:27] <tantek> BobJonkman - that is awesome. I'm nearly speechless.
  860. [23:07:41] <tantek> please feel free to update the hyperlink accordingly :)
  861. [23:07:46] <BobJonkma1> Courtesy of BoingBoing yesterday.
  862. [23:07:56] <tantek> except - where's the car?
  863. [23:08:33] <BobJonkma1> There's a large coax connector on this phone for an external aerial; the car has to be somewhere...
  864. [23:08:55] <BobJonkma1> As I recall, these phones also had a push-to-talk switch. Not that I've ever used one. I'm not that old!
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  866. [23:12:31] <BobJonkma1> Does the microformats wiki support uploading images? Unfortunately, I can see no attribution for this image on the originating Web page
  867. [23:17:45] <mfbot> [[hcard]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=12143 * Bob Jonkman * (+25) Property Notes - An even cooler picture of a non-cellular car phone
  868. [23:19:52] <JMulder> Man, I remember my dad had one of those not-so-mobile phones. Hilarious equipment.
  869. [23:21:39] <BobJonkma1> I think you could only call the "mobile operator", who then had to set up the call for you. There used to be instructions in the front of the phone book.
  870. [23:21:46] <BobJonkma1> But I'm not THAT old, really!
  871. [23:22:54] <tantek> yeah - i'm not sure it is a car phone without a car in the picture
  872. [23:22:55] <tantek> sorry
  873. [23:23:06] <tantek> otherwise it is just a portable phone
  874. [23:23:13] <tantek> that you can put in a car - or any other vehicle
  875. [23:23:22] <tantek> i think car phone implies some sort of stronger "binding" to the car
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  877. [23:24:00] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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