IRC Log for #microformats on 2005-12-14
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- [00:09:58] <mfbot>
[[showroll-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=showroll-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=3257 * Charles * (+395) Added a "Tools" section and put a tool in there
- [00:18:35] <KevinMarks>
.seen crw
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- [01:13:33] <KevinMarks>
at structured blogging annocuncment
- [01:13:47] <KevinMarks>
they support microformat generation
- [01:18:34] <KevinMarks>
Ross M signed up
- [01:18:45] <KevinMarks>
and says microformats is a win
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- [01:26:07] <factoryjoe>
yeah i hear that from the pubsub guy too
- [01:26:10] <factoryjoe>
good stuff!
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- [02:54:42] * karlUshi was wondering if there was a reason to reference XHTML 1.1 more than XHTML 1.0 in http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar
- [02:55:04] <karlUshi>
one benefit I could see is the use of the ruby markup for dates
- [02:55:09] <karlUshi>
that would be appropriate
- [02:55:39] <karlUshi>
but I'm not sure it fits in the holy principles?
- [02:56:20] <karlUshi>
http://www.w3.org/TR/ruby/#complex
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bkdelong is B.K. DeLong, Head Research Analyst for HALO Worldwide - http://www.haloworldwide.com. Web: http://www.brain-stream.com. Email: bkdelong@pobox.com - Is At ApacheCon
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- [05:20:20] <Tantek>
_fil_, still there?
- [05:21:43] <Tantek>
try out the Contacts and Events Feed services (AKA X2VProxy deployment) on your browsers again.
- [05:21:47] <Tantek>
We fixed the Safari issues.
- [05:24:20] <karlUshi>
Tested. It's working Tantek.
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- [05:25:20] <karlUshi>
Safari 2.0.2 (416.13) to be exact.
- [05:26:22] <mfbot>
[[show-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=show-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=3258 * Charles * (+26) Added link to relpayment-research
- [05:47:10] <Tantek>
karlUshi - Thanks!!
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- [05:50:10] <jibot>
bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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- [06:32:42] <amanuel_>
?help
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?whois amanuel
- [06:33:29] <jibot>
amanuel is running The Intentional Web Initiative http://intentionalweb.org
- [06:33:54] <amanuel_>
?learn amanuel_ is running The Intentional Web Initiative http://intentionalweb.org
- [06:33:55] <jibot>
amanuel_ is running The Intentional Web Initiative http://intentionalweb.org
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factoryjoe is Chris Messina, works for Flock, Bar Camp and Rhyzomatic and is working towards open source world domination
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bkdelong is B.K. DeLong, Head Research Analyst for HALO Worldwide - http://www.haloworldwide.com. Web: http://www.brain-stream.com. Email: bkdelong@pobox.com - Is At ApacheCon
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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- [15:19:31] <_fil_>
Tantek: yes it works now
- [15:19:46] <_fil_>
but the technorati vCard is not really good in iCal
- [15:20:16] <_fil_>
it does not say which number is "phone" or "fax"; they are both listed as "other"
- [15:20:33] <_fil_>
not iCal, of course, AddressBook
- [15:20:44] <_fil_>
the Calendar is perfectly fine
- [15:26:04] <trovster>
How would I extract a card on a site into iCal?
- [15:26:34] <Tantek>
_fil_, yes, that is odd. I took a look at the vCard that is generated and it looks correct per spec, so I don't know why AddressBook is not understanding it.
- [15:27:36] <Tantek>
Could it perhaps be due to the fact that those phone numbers have multiple types whereas the AddressBook UI seems to support only one?
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- [15:28:51] <_fil_>
I have no idea, I don't really use AddressBook myself :)
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- [16:21:15] <mfbot>
[[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=3259 * Richi Jennings * (+99) Examples in the wild -
- [16:27:53] <trovster>
Is it good to post sites (which you've developed) which use hcards?
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rtomayko is tracking the free culture movement http://naeblis.cx/rtomayko/freeculture/
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- [16:52:28] <Tantek>
trovster, definitely!
- [16:52:36] <Tantek>
add them to the "Examples in the Wild" section in the hCard spec
- [16:53:08] <trovster>
http://www.avf-nexus.com/contact/ is the only one "in the wild" officially, but a new one soon
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- [17:28:58] <mfbot>
[[show-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=show-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=3260 * Charles * (+477) Added new strawman model
- [17:37:34] <mfbot>
[[show-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=show-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=3261 * Charles * (+758) Adding another strawman model
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[[show-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=show-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=3262 * Charles * (+2) spellng correction
- [17:51:22] <mfbot>
[[show-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=show-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=3263 * Charles * (+90) Added more to descriptions for strawman #7 and strawman #8.
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- [19:11:42] <Tantek>
greetings
- [19:11:44] <Tantek>
I'm on stage here at Syndicate right now
- [19:11:46] <Tantek>
just finished my presentation
- [19:11:46] <neuro`>
Hello Tantek
- [19:11:53] <Tantek>
http://tantek.com/presentations/2005/12/syndicate-microformats/
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- [19:17:14] <jibot>
trv is a web-standards developer from the UK and writes at www.trovster.com
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kingryan is ryan king
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rtomayko is tracking the free culture movement http://naeblis.cx/rtomayko/freeculture/
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factoryjoe is Chris Messina, works for Flock, Bar Camp and Rhyzomatic and is working towards open source world domination
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kingryan is ryan king
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RobertBachmann is in Austria
- [20:37:02] <mfbot>
[[User:RyanKing]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:RyanKing&diff=0&oldid=3264 * RyanKing * (+13) test
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- [20:43:05] <jibot>
tantek is Tantek Çelik and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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- [20:51:03] <mfbot>
[[attention-examples]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/attention-examples * Tantek * (+367) first version
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[[attention-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-examples&diff=0&oldid=3265 * Tantek * (+69)
- [20:52:56] <neuro`>
time to work on the wiki
- [20:53:04] <tantek>
hey neuro
- [20:53:13] <neuro`>
Hello tantek
- [20:53:17] <tantek>
a bunch of us are seeing if we can follow the microformats process regarding attention
- [20:53:29] <tantek>
see http://epeus.blogspot.com/
- [20:53:55] <neuro`>
I've read it this morning
- [20:54:19] <neuro`>
Kevin, Ryan and you are in my agregator
- [20:54:40] <mfbot>
[[attention-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-examples&diff=0&oldid=3266 * Tantek * (+128) Attenion Examples -
- [20:55:31] <mfbot>
[[attention-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-examples&diff=0&oldid=3267 * Rohit * (+90) Implicit Attention -
- [20:56:07] <mfbot>
[[attention-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-examples&diff=0&oldid=3268 * Rohit * (-55) Implicit Attention -
- [20:57:40] <trv>
Hey, anyone know of 1) a good Firefox extension (or Greasemonkey script) that will show hcard information 2) one that will integrate them with iCal 3) I've forgotten the third!
- [20:59:19] <KevinMarks>
check the implementations sections on the microformats wiki
- [20:59:34] <KevinMarks>
for each format
- [21:00:15] <neuro`>
http://www.technorati.com/attention.html not valid anymore
- [21:00:33] <KevinMarks>
yes
- [21:00:41] <KevinMarks>
we need to recreate that in kitchen
- [21:00:44] <trv>
Well, there is a greasemonkey script, but doesn't work with FF1.5 and the new monkey
- [21:01:37] <neuro`>
That attention stuff sounds really nice
- [21:02:17] <neuro`>
I did not have the time to read it today, too much work.
- [21:04:02] <trv>
Anyone want to add a "examples in the wild" to the WIKI as I don't have an account.
- [21:04:22] <tantek>
trv see the hCard spec in particular
- [21:04:28] <tantek>
http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard
- [21:04:36] <tantek>
there is an "Examples in the Wild" *section* in the spec
- [21:04:57] <trv>
Yes, I want to add a site I've done which has hcards, but I'm not registered with the Wiki
- [21:05:09] <mfbot>
[[attention-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-formats&diff=0&oldid=3269 * Tantek * (-5078) rewrite started from scratch
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[[attention-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-examples&diff=0&oldid=3270 * Tantek * (-100)
- [21:08:41] <mfbot>
[[attention-formats]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-formats&diff=0&oldid=3271 * Tantek * (+25) Explicit Attention Formats -
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[[attention-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-examples&diff=0&oldid=3272 * Tantek * (+148) Attenion Examples -
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[[attention-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-examples&diff=0&oldid=3273 * Tantek * (+123) Explicit Attention -
- [21:13:56] <tantek>
trv, did you try creating an account on the wiki?
- [21:16:59] <mfbot>
[[attention-brainstorming]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/attention-brainstorming * Tantek * (+632) first version
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[[attention-formats]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-formats&diff=0&oldid=3274 * Tantek * (+138)
- [21:18:38] <trv>
tantek: Nope ;)
- [21:18:38] <KevinMarks>
trv, you should be able to creata login
- [21:18:56] <mfbot>
[[attention-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=3275 * Tantek * (-6) Experience -
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[[attention-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=3276 * Tantek * (+154)
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[[attention-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=3277 * Tantek * (+126) Definite -
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[[attention-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=3278 * Tantek * (+163) Definite -
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[[attention-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=3279 * Tantek * (-49) Goals / Requirements -
- [21:24:37] <kingryan>
hey tantek and kevin, would personal status pages count as attention? {http://www.43folders.com/2005/10/19/personal-status-page/}
- [21:25:58] <tantek>
certainly seems to have a lot of overlap
- [21:26:25] <tantek>
is this theoretical right now, or are there services publishing personal status pages?
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[[attention-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=3280 * Tantek * (+122)
- [21:27:14] <tantek>
thanks ryan. added to http://microformats.org/wiki/attention-brainstorming
- [21:36:17] <mfbot>
[[Main Page-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page-fr&diff=0&oldid=3281 * NeuRo * (+1047) Introduction -
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[[attention-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=3282 * Tantek * (+113) Goals / Requirements -
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[[Main Page-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page-fr&diff=0&oldid=3283 * NeuRo * (+157) Brouillons -
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[[attention-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-examples&diff=0&oldid=3284 * Tantek * (+71)
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[[attention-formats]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-formats&diff=0&oldid=3285 * Tantek * (+71) Formats -
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[[attention-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=3286 * Tantek * (+65) Strawman Schema Thoughts -
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[[attention-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-examples&diff=0&oldid=3287 * Kevin Marks * (+76) Attenion Examples -
- [21:39:42] <neuro`>
I'm more or less away for sleeping, will read all this when my son awakens
- [21:39:45] <neuro`>
goodnight
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[[attention-formats]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-formats&diff=0&oldid=3288 * Tantek * (+22) Explicit Attention Formats -
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[[attention-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=3289 * EricHayes * (+86) Strawman Schema Thoughts -
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[[attention-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=3290 * EricHayes * (+75) first take
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[[attention-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=3291 * EricHayes * (+152) Each Attention Item contains -
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[[attention-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=3292 * EricHayes * (+109) Each Attention Item contains -
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[[attention-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=3293 * Tantek * (+40) explicit info -
- [22:04:27] <kingryan>
tantek: lots (ok, in the 10s or 100s) of individuals publish personal status pages
- [22:05:12] <KevinMarks>
is thta like plan files?
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[[attention-formats]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-formats&diff=0&oldid=3294 * Tantek * (+67) Implicit Attention Formats -
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[[attention-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-formats&diff=0&oldid=3295 * EricHayes * (+66) Implicit Attention Formats -
- [22:11:46] <trv>
Those personal status pages seem good, I might add one for my new site.
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- [22:14:00] <kingryan>
yes, KevinMarks
- [22:14:20] <kingryan>
plan files are to unix as personal status pages are to the web
- [22:14:52] <KevinMarks>
we did think baout to do lists - intention.xml ?
- [22:15:06] <kingryan>
lol
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[[attention-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=3296 * Tantek * (+210) Definite -
- [22:15:26] <kingryan>
there'll be alot of prior art there around the GTD community
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[[attention-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-examples&diff=0&oldid=3297 * Tantek * (+2) Implicit Attention -
- [22:18:25] <tantek>
Something about a road being paved with plenty of good intention.xml files.
- [22:18:46] <kingryan>
its great when you can have the blog post title written before the spec
- [22:18:47] <kingryan>
:D
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[[attention-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-formats&diff=0&oldid=3298 * EricHayes * (+25) Explicit Attention Formats -
- [22:21:01] <KevinMarks>
you know, to-do lists and GTD is ripe for microformatting
- [22:21:17] <tantek>
see VTODO objects in icalendar hence hCalendar
- [22:21:34] <tantek>
so essentially, hCalendar supports to-do lists
- [22:22:32] <kingryan>
yeah
- [22:22:37] <kingryan>
no one knows that, though
- [22:22:46] <kingryan>
we need to mf http://microformats.org/wiki/to-do
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[[attention-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-formats&diff=0&oldid=3299 * EricHayes * (+374) Attention Formats -
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[[attention-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-examples&diff=0&oldid=3300 * EricHayes * (+376) Attention Examples -
- [22:25:04] <KevinMarks>
right, but the GTD folks have various kinds of to-do structure iirc
- [22:25:19] <mfbot>
[[attention-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=3301 * EricHayes * (+376)
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- [22:26:20] <tantek>
bbiab
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- [22:45:45] <jibot>
tantek is Tantek Çelik and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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- [22:51:30] <tantek>
Ryan, yes, we need to get wikis to support microformats in general.
- [22:52:38] <valmont>
yea cool
- [22:54:19] <tantek>
the hCard kwiki plug-in was a great first step
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