IRC Log for #microformats on 2005-12-14

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  1. [00:09:58] <mfbot> [[showroll-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=showroll-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=3257 * Charles * (+395) Added a "Tools" section and put a tool in there
  2. [00:18:35] <KevinMarks> .seen crw
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  14. [01:13:33] <KevinMarks> at structured blogging annocuncment
  15. [01:13:47] <KevinMarks> they support microformat generation
  16. [01:18:34] <KevinMarks> Ross M signed up
  17. [01:18:45] <KevinMarks> and says microformats is a win
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  19. [01:26:07] <factoryjoe> yeah i hear that from the pubsub guy too
  20. [01:26:10] <factoryjoe> good stuff!
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  24. [02:54:42] * karlUshi was wondering if there was a reason to reference XHTML 1.1 more than XHTML 1.0 in http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar
  25. [02:55:04] <karlUshi> one benefit I could see is the use of the ruby markup for dates
  26. [02:55:09] <karlUshi> that would be appropriate
  27. [02:55:39] <karlUshi> but I'm not sure it fits in the holy principles?
  28. [02:56:20] <karlUshi> http://www.w3.org/TR/ruby/#complex
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  32. [03:15:01] <jibot> bkdelong is B.K. DeLong, Head Research Analyst for HALO Worldwide - http://www.haloworldwide.com. Web: http://www.brain-stream.com. Email: bkdelong@pobox.com - Is At ApacheCon
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  44. [05:20:20] <Tantek> _fil_, still there?
  45. [05:21:43] <Tantek> try out the Contacts and Events Feed services (AKA X2VProxy deployment) on your browsers again.
  46. [05:21:47] <Tantek> We fixed the Safari issues.
  47. [05:24:20] <karlUshi> Tested. It's working Tantek.
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  49. [05:25:20] <karlUshi> Safari 2.0.2 (416.13) to be exact.
  50. [05:26:22] <mfbot> [[show-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=show-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=3258 * Charles * (+26) Added link to relpayment-research
  51. [05:47:10] <Tantek> karlUshi - Thanks!!
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  53. [05:50:10] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  57. [06:32:42] <amanuel_> ?help
  58. [06:33:29] <amanuel_> ?whois amanuel
  59. [06:33:29] <jibot> amanuel is running The Intentional Web Initiative http://intentionalweb.org
  60. [06:33:54] <amanuel_> ?learn amanuel_ is running The Intentional Web Initiative http://intentionalweb.org
  61. [06:33:55] <jibot> amanuel_ is running The Intentional Web Initiative http://intentionalweb.org
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  71. [08:43:01] <jibot> factoryjoe is Chris Messina, works for Flock, Bar Camp and Rhyzomatic and is working towards open source world domination
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  74. [08:47:42] <jibot> bkdelong is B.K. DeLong, Head Research Analyst for HALO Worldwide - http://www.haloworldwide.com. Web: http://www.brain-stream.com. Email: bkdelong@pobox.com - Is At ApacheCon
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  76. [09:09:27] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  89. [15:19:31] <_fil_> Tantek: yes it works now
  90. [15:19:46] <_fil_> but the technorati vCard is not really good in iCal
  91. [15:20:16] <_fil_> it does not say which number is "phone" or "fax"; they are both listed as "other"
  92. [15:20:33] <_fil_> not iCal, of course, AddressBook
  93. [15:20:44] <_fil_> the Calendar is perfectly fine
  94. [15:26:04] <trovster> How would I extract a card on a site into iCal?
  95. [15:26:34] <Tantek> _fil_, yes, that is odd. I took a look at the vCard that is generated and it looks correct per spec, so I don't know why AddressBook is not understanding it.
  96. [15:27:36] <Tantek> Could it perhaps be due to the fact that those phone numbers have multiple types whereas the AddressBook UI seems to support only one?
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  98. [15:28:51] <_fil_> I have no idea, I don't really use AddressBook myself :)
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  101. [16:21:15] <mfbot> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=3259 * Richi Jennings * (+99) Examples in the wild -
  102. [16:27:53] <trovster> Is it good to post sites (which you've developed) which use hcards?
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  104. [16:31:51] <jibot> rtomayko is tracking the free culture movement http://naeblis.cx/rtomayko/freeculture/
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  106. [16:52:28] <Tantek> trovster, definitely!
  107. [16:52:36] <Tantek> add them to the "Examples in the Wild" section in the hCard spec
  108. [16:53:08] <trovster> http://www.avf-nexus.com/contact/ is the only one "in the wild" officially, but a new one soon
  109. [16:58:27] * DanC wanders by... notes http://feeds.technorati.com/events/ with interest
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  111. [17:28:58] <mfbot> [[show-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=show-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=3260 * Charles * (+477) Added new strawman model
  112. [17:37:34] <mfbot> [[show-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=show-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=3261 * Charles * (+758) Adding another strawman model
  113. [17:38:25] <mfbot> [[show-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=show-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=3262 * Charles * (+2) spellng correction
  114. [17:51:22] <mfbot> [[show-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=show-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=3263 * Charles * (+90) Added more to descriptions for strawman #7 and strawman #8.
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  118. [19:11:42] <Tantek> greetings
  119. [19:11:44] <Tantek> I'm on stage here at Syndicate right now
  120. [19:11:46] <Tantek> just finished my presentation
  121. [19:11:46] <neuro`> Hello Tantek
  122. [19:11:53] <Tantek> http://tantek.com/presentations/2005/12/syndicate-microformats/
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  125. [19:17:14] <jibot> trv is a web-standards developer from the UK and writes at www.trovster.com
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  129. [20:00:17] <jibot> kingryan is ryan king
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  136. [20:20:40] <jibot> factoryjoe is Chris Messina, works for Flock, Bar Camp and Rhyzomatic and is working towards open source world domination
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  138. [20:21:38] <jibot> kingryan is ryan king
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  141. [20:27:32] <jibot> RobertBachmann is in Austria
  142. [20:37:02] <mfbot> [[User:RyanKing]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:RyanKing&diff=0&oldid=3264 * RyanKing * (+13) test
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  145. [20:43:05] <jibot> tantek is Tantek Çelik and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  147. [20:51:03] <mfbot> [[attention-examples]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/attention-examples * Tantek * (+367) first version
  148. [20:51:39] <mfbot> [[attention-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-examples&diff=0&oldid=3265 * Tantek * (+69)
  149. [20:52:56] <neuro`> time to work on the wiki
  150. [20:53:04] <tantek> hey neuro
  151. [20:53:13] <neuro`> Hello tantek
  152. [20:53:17] <tantek> a bunch of us are seeing if we can follow the microformats process regarding attention
  153. [20:53:29] <tantek> see http://epeus.blogspot.com/
  154. [20:53:55] <neuro`> I've read it this morning
  155. [20:54:19] <neuro`> Kevin, Ryan and you are in my agregator
  156. [20:54:40] <mfbot> [[attention-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-examples&diff=0&oldid=3266 * Tantek * (+128) Attenion Examples -
  157. [20:55:31] <mfbot> [[attention-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-examples&diff=0&oldid=3267 * Rohit * (+90) Implicit Attention -
  158. [20:56:07] <mfbot> [[attention-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-examples&diff=0&oldid=3268 * Rohit * (-55) Implicit Attention -
  159. [20:57:40] <trv> Hey, anyone know of 1) a good Firefox extension (or Greasemonkey script) that will show hcard information 2) one that will integrate them with iCal 3) I've forgotten the third!
  160. [20:59:19] <KevinMarks> check the implementations sections on the microformats wiki
  161. [20:59:34] <KevinMarks> for each format
  162. [21:00:15] <neuro`> http://www.technorati.com/attention.html not valid anymore
  163. [21:00:33] <KevinMarks> yes
  164. [21:00:41] <KevinMarks> we need to recreate that in kitchen
  165. [21:00:44] <trv> Well, there is a greasemonkey script, but doesn't work with FF1.5 and the new monkey
  166. [21:01:37] <neuro`> That attention stuff sounds really nice
  167. [21:02:17] <neuro`> I did not have the time to read it today, too much work.
  168. [21:04:02] <trv> Anyone want to add a "examples in the wild" to the WIKI as I don't have an account.
  169. [21:04:22] <tantek> trv see the hCard spec in particular
  170. [21:04:28] <tantek> http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard
  171. [21:04:36] <tantek> there is an "Examples in the Wild" *section* in the spec
  172. [21:04:57] <trv> Yes, I want to add a site I've done which has hcards, but I'm not registered with the Wiki
  173. [21:05:09] <mfbot> [[attention-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-formats&diff=0&oldid=3269 * Tantek * (-5078) rewrite started from scratch
  174. [21:08:10] <mfbot> [[attention-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-examples&diff=0&oldid=3270 * Tantek * (-100)
  175. [21:08:41] <mfbot> [[attention-formats]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-formats&diff=0&oldid=3271 * Tantek * (+25) Explicit Attention Formats -
  176. [21:10:22] <mfbot> [[attention-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-examples&diff=0&oldid=3272 * Tantek * (+148) Attenion Examples -
  177. [21:12:03] <mfbot> [[attention-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-examples&diff=0&oldid=3273 * Tantek * (+123) Explicit Attention -
  178. [21:13:56] <tantek> trv, did you try creating an account on the wiki?
  179. [21:16:59] <mfbot> [[attention-brainstorming]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/attention-brainstorming * Tantek * (+632) first version
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  181. [21:17:45] <mfbot> [[attention-formats]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-formats&diff=0&oldid=3274 * Tantek * (+138)
  182. [21:18:38] <trv> tantek: Nope ;)
  183. [21:18:38] <KevinMarks> trv, you should be able to creata login
  184. [21:18:56] <mfbot> [[attention-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=3275 * Tantek * (-6) Experience -
  185. [21:21:42] <mfbot> [[attention-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=3276 * Tantek * (+154)
  186. [21:22:43] <mfbot> [[attention-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=3277 * Tantek * (+126) Definite -
  187. [21:22:52] * tantek sets mode +o RobertBachmann
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  189. [21:23:54] <mfbot> [[attention-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=3278 * Tantek * (+163) Definite -
  190. [21:24:20] <mfbot> [[attention-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=3279 * Tantek * (-49) Goals / Requirements -
  191. [21:24:37] <kingryan> hey tantek and kevin, would personal status pages count as attention? {http://www.43folders.com/2005/10/19/personal-status-page/}
  192. [21:25:58] <tantek> certainly seems to have a lot of overlap
  193. [21:26:25] <tantek> is this theoretical right now, or are there services publishing personal status pages?
  194. [21:27:06] <mfbot> [[attention-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=3280 * Tantek * (+122)
  195. [21:27:14] <tantek> thanks ryan. added to http://microformats.org/wiki/attention-brainstorming
  196. [21:36:17] <mfbot> [[Main Page-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page-fr&diff=0&oldid=3281 * NeuRo * (+1047) Introduction -
  197. [21:36:33] <mfbot> [[attention-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=3282 * Tantek * (+113) Goals / Requirements -
  198. [21:37:59] <mfbot> [[Main Page-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page-fr&diff=0&oldid=3283 * NeuRo * (+157) Brouillons -
  199. [21:38:25] <mfbot> [[attention-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-examples&diff=0&oldid=3284 * Tantek * (+71)
  200. [21:38:36] <mfbot> [[attention-formats]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-formats&diff=0&oldid=3285 * Tantek * (+71) Formats -
  201. [21:38:47] <mfbot> [[attention-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=3286 * Tantek * (+65) Strawman Schema Thoughts -
  202. [21:38:58] <mfbot> [[attention-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-examples&diff=0&oldid=3287 * Kevin Marks * (+76) Attenion Examples -
  203. [21:39:42] <neuro`> I'm more or less away for sleeping, will read all this when my son awakens
  204. [21:39:45] <neuro`> goodnight
  205. [21:43:09] <mfbot> [[attention-formats]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-formats&diff=0&oldid=3288 * Tantek * (+22) Explicit Attention Formats -
  206. [21:45:05] <mfbot> [[attention-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=3289 * EricHayes * (+86) Strawman Schema Thoughts -
  207. [21:47:01] <mfbot> [[attention-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=3290 * EricHayes * (+75) first take
  208. [21:51:08] <mfbot> [[attention-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=3291 * EricHayes * (+152) Each Attention Item contains -
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  210. [21:58:44] <mfbot> [[attention-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=3292 * EricHayes * (+109) Each Attention Item contains -
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  212. [22:03:45] <mfbot> [[attention-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=3293 * Tantek * (+40) explicit info -
  213. [22:04:27] <kingryan> tantek: lots (ok, in the 10s or 100s) of individuals publish personal status pages
  214. [22:05:12] <KevinMarks> is thta like plan files?
  215. [22:10:41] <mfbot> [[attention-formats]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-formats&diff=0&oldid=3294 * Tantek * (+67) Implicit Attention Formats -
  216. [22:11:32] <mfbot> [[attention-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-formats&diff=0&oldid=3295 * EricHayes * (+66) Implicit Attention Formats -
  217. [22:11:46] <trv> Those personal status pages seem good, I might add one for my new site.
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  219. [22:14:00] <kingryan> yes, KevinMarks
  220. [22:14:20] <kingryan> plan files are to unix as personal status pages are to the web
  221. [22:14:52] <KevinMarks> we did think baout to do lists - intention.xml ?
  222. [22:15:06] <kingryan> lol
  223. [22:15:24] <mfbot> [[attention-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=3296 * Tantek * (+210) Definite -
  224. [22:15:26] <kingryan> there'll be alot of prior art there around the GTD community
  225. [22:16:14] <mfbot> [[attention-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-examples&diff=0&oldid=3297 * Tantek * (+2) Implicit Attention -
  226. [22:18:25] <tantek> Something about a road being paved with plenty of good intention.xml files.
  227. [22:18:46] <kingryan> its great when you can have the blog post title written before the spec
  228. [22:18:47] <kingryan> :D
  229. [22:19:21] <mfbot> [[attention-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-formats&diff=0&oldid=3298 * EricHayes * (+25) Explicit Attention Formats -
  230. [22:21:01] <KevinMarks> you know, to-do lists and GTD is ripe for microformatting
  231. [22:21:17] <tantek> see VTODO objects in icalendar hence hCalendar
  232. [22:21:34] <tantek> so essentially, hCalendar supports to-do lists
  233. [22:22:32] <kingryan> yeah
  234. [22:22:37] <kingryan> no one knows that, though
  235. [22:22:46] <kingryan> we need to mf http://microformats.org/wiki/to-do
  236. [22:24:37] <mfbot> [[attention-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-formats&diff=0&oldid=3299 * EricHayes * (+374) Attention Formats -
  237. [22:25:03] <mfbot> [[attention-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-examples&diff=0&oldid=3300 * EricHayes * (+376) Attention Examples -
  238. [22:25:04] <KevinMarks> right, but the GTD folks have various kinds of to-do structure iirc
  239. [22:25:19] <mfbot> [[attention-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=3301 * EricHayes * (+376)
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  241. [22:26:20] <tantek> bbiab
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  245. [22:45:45] <jibot> tantek is Tantek Çelik and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  247. [22:51:30] <tantek> Ryan, yes, we need to get wikis to support microformats in general.
  248. [22:52:38] <valmont> yea cool
  249. [22:54:19] <tantek> the hCard kwiki plug-in was a great first step
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