IRC Log for #microformats on 2005-12-25

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  20. [02:56:40] <mfbot> [[process]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=process&diff=0&oldid=3538 * Robindranatt * (+567)
  21. [02:57:06] <mfbot> [[Talk:how-to-play]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:how-to-play * Robindranatt * (+517)
  22. [02:57:06] <mfbot> [[hbib]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/hbib * Robindranatt * (+517)
  23. [02:57:13] <mfbot> [[rel-license]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-license&diff=0&oldid=3539 * Robindranatt * (+677)
  24. [02:57:19] <mfbot> [[hcalendar]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=3540 * Robindranatt * (+717)
  25. [02:57:25] <mfbot> [[Talk:xfn-implementations]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:xfn-implementations * Robindranatt * (+517)
  26. [02:57:36] <mfbot> [[Talk:xoxo]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:xoxo * Robindranatt * (+517)
  27. [02:57:42] <mfbot> [[hreview-issues]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/hreview-issues * Robindranatt * (+517)
  28. [02:57:53] <mfbot> [[rel-tag]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag&diff=0&oldid=3541 * Robindranatt * (+517)
  29. [02:57:54] <mfbot> [[Talk:rel-nofollow]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:rel-nofollow * Robindranatt * (+517)
  30. [02:58:10] <mfbot> [[Talk:rel-enclosure]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Talk:rel-enclosure&diff=0&oldid=3542 * Robindranatt * (+527)
  31. [02:58:11] <mfbot> [[Talk:xfolk]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:xfolk * Robindranatt * (+517)
  32. [02:58:17] <mfbot> [[Talk:robots-exclusion]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:robots-exclusion * Robindranatt * (+517)
  33. [02:58:23] <mfbot> [[rel-home-issues]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-home-issues * Robindranatt * (+517)
  34. [02:58:29] <mfbot> [[Talk:datetime-design-pattern]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:datetime-design-pattern * Robindranatt * (+517)
  35. [02:58:35] <mfbot> [[Talk:class-design-pattern]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:class-design-pattern * Robindranatt * (+517)
  36. [02:59:01] <mfbot> [[Talk:rel-design-pattern]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:rel-design-pattern * Robindranatt * (+517)
  37. [02:59:12] <mfbot> [[Talk:examples]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:examples * Robindranatt * (+517)
  38. [02:59:23] <mfbot> [[Talk:comments-formats]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:comments-formats * Robindranatt * (+517)
  39. [02:59:24] <mfbot> [[Talk:cite]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:cite * Robindranatt * (+517)
  40. [02:59:40] <mfbot> [[Talk:listing-brainstorming]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:listing-brainstorming * Robindranatt * (+517)
  41. [02:59:46] <mfbot> [[Talk:genealogy-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Talk:genealogy-formats&diff=0&oldid=3543 * Robindranatt * (+527)
  42. [02:59:47] <mfbot> [[Talk:last-modified-brainstorming]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:last-modified-brainstorming * Robindranatt * (+517)
  43. [02:59:53] <mfbot> [[Talk:rest/forms-examples]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:rest/forms-examples * Robindranatt * (+517)
  44. [03:00:19] <mfbot> [[Talk:tagspeak-examples]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:tagspeak-examples * Robindranatt * (+517)
  45. [03:00:25] <mfbot> [[Talk:xmdp-faq]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:xmdp-faq * Robindranatt * (+517)
  46. [03:00:31] <mfbot> [[Talk:widget-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Talk:widget-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=3544 * Robindranatt * (+527)
  47. [03:00:37] <mfbot> [[Talk:selected-test-cases-from-the-web]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:selected-test-cases-from-the-web * Robindranatt * (+517)
  48. [03:00:38] <mfbot> [[Talk:parsing-microformats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Talk:parsing-microformats&diff=0&oldid=3545 * Robindranatt * (+527)
  49. [03:00:54] <mfbot> [[Talk:icalendar-implementations]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:icalendar-implementations * Robindranatt * (+517)
  50. [03:01:11] * gavin_s wonders why he never actually sees any of the spam on that wiki
  51. [03:01:35] <mfbot> [[Talk:Main Page-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page-fr * Robindranatt * (+517)
  52. [03:01:41] <mfbot> [[Talk:marked-for-deletion]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:marked-for-deletion * Robindranatt * (+517)
  53. [03:01:42] <mfbot> [[Talk:demo]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Talk:demo&diff=0&oldid=3546 * Robindranatt * (+527)
  54. [03:01:53] <mfbot> [[xfn-実装]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/xfn-%E5%AE%9F%E8%A3%85 * Robindranatt * (+517)
  55. [03:01:54] <mfbot> [[Talk:how-to-play-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:how-to-play-fr * Robindranatt * (+517)
  56. [03:02:00] <mfbot> [[Help talk:Contents]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Help_talk:Contents * Robindranatt * (+517)
  57. [03:02:01] <mfbot> [[Talk:Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=3547 * Robindranatt * (+517)
  58. [03:02:12] <mfbot> [[Talk:transit-table-examples]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:transit-table-examples * Robindranatt * (+517)
  59. [03:02:13] <mfbot> [[User talk:DavidJanes]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User_talk:DavidJanes * Robindranatt * (+517)
  60. [03:02:54] <mfbot> [[Talk:buttons]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:buttons * Robindranatt * (+517)
  61. [03:03:25] <mfbot> [[Talk:faqs-for-rdf]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:faqs-for-rdf * Robindranatt * (+517)
  62. [03:03:31] <mfbot> [[Talk:why-are-content-standards-hard]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:why-are-content-standards-hard * Robindranatt * (+517)
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  65. [03:47:08] <mfbot> [[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=3548 * Robindranatt * (+547)
  66. [03:47:14] <mfbot> [[Talk:how-to-play]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Talk:how-to-play&diff=0&oldid=3549 * Robindranatt * (+527)
  67. [03:47:20] <mfbot> [[process]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=process&diff=0&oldid=3550 * Robindranatt * (+527)
  68. [03:47:26] <mfbot> [[Talk:hcard]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:hcard * Robindranatt * (+517)
  69. [03:47:32] <mfbot> [[Talk:implementations]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:implementations * Robindranatt * (+517)
  70. [03:48:03] <mfbot> [[Talk:adr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:adr * Robindranatt * (+517)
  71. [03:48:09] <mfbot> [[Talk:xfn-implementations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Talk:xfn-implementations&diff=0&oldid=3551 * Robindranatt * (+527)
  72. [03:48:10] <mfbot> [[hcalendar]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=3552 * Robindranatt * (+527)
  73. [03:48:17] <mfbot> [[rel-tag]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag&diff=0&oldid=3553 * Robindranatt * (+527)
  74. [03:48:17] <mfbot> [[rel-license]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-license&diff=0&oldid=3554 * Robindranatt * (+527)
  75. [03:48:23] <mfbot> [[vote-links]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=vote-links&diff=0&oldid=3555 * Robindranatt * (+517)
  76. [03:48:24] <mfbot> [[Talk:relpayment-research]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:relpayment-research * Robindranatt * (+517)
  77. [03:48:35] <mfbot> [[Talk:geo]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:geo * Robindranatt * (+517)
  78. [03:48:41] <mfbot> [[Talk:xfolk]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Talk:xfolk&diff=0&oldid=3556 * Robindranatt * (+527)
  79. [03:48:42] <mfbot> [[rel-home-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-home-issues&diff=0&oldid=3557 * Robindranatt * (+527)
  80. [03:48:48] <mfbot> [[hreview-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-issues&diff=0&oldid=3558 * Robindranatt * (+527)
  81. [03:48:49] <mfbot> [[Talk:rel-enclosure]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Talk:rel-enclosure&diff=0&oldid=3559 * Robindranatt * (+527)
  82. [03:48:55] <mfbot> [[RobertBachmann]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=RobertBachmann&diff=0&oldid=3560 * Robindranatt * (+527)
  83. [03:49:01] <mfbot> [[hbib]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hbib&diff=0&oldid=3561 * Robindranatt * (+527)
  84. [03:49:07] <mfbot> [[Talk:blog-description-format]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:blog-description-format * Robindranatt * (+517)
  85. [03:49:18] <mfbot> [[Talk:rel-design-pattern]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Talk:rel-design-pattern&diff=0&oldid=3562 * Robindranatt * (+527)
  86. [03:49:19] <mfbot> [[Talk:cite]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Talk:cite&diff=0&oldid=3563 * Robindranatt * (+527)
  87. [03:49:30] <mfbot> [[Talk:genealogy-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Talk:genealogy-formats&diff=0&oldid=3564 * Robindranatt * (+527)
  88. [03:49:51] <mfbot> [[User:ChristopherA]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:ChristopherA * Robindranatt * (+517)
  89. [03:50:07] <mfbot> [[Talk:requirements-testing]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Talk:requirements-testing&diff=0&oldid=3565 * Robindranatt * (+527)
  90. [03:50:28] <mfbot> [[Talk:resume-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Talk:resume-formats&diff=0&oldid=3566 * Robindranatt * (+527)
  91. [03:50:35] <mfbot> [[Talk:table-examples]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:table-examples * Robindranatt * (+517)
  92. [03:50:40] <mfbot> [[Talk:tagspeak-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Talk:tagspeak-examples&diff=0&oldid=3567 * Robindranatt * (+527)
  93. [03:50:46] <mfbot> [[Talk:chat-examples]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:chat-examples * Robindranatt * (+517)
  94. [03:50:53] <mfbot> [[Talk:search-results-example]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:search-results-example * Robindranatt * (+517)
  95. [03:50:58] <mfbot> [[Talk:rest/examples]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:rest/examples * Robindranatt * (+517)
  96. [03:51:10] <mfbot> [[Talk:xmdp-faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Talk:xmdp-faq&diff=0&oldid=3568 * Robindranatt * (+527)
  97. [03:51:15] <mfbot> [[Talk:widget-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Talk:widget-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=3569 * Robindranatt * (+527)
  98. [03:51:26] <mfbot> [[Talk:zen-garden]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:zen-garden * Robindranatt * (+517)
  99. [03:51:42] <mfbot> [[Talk:parsing-microformats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Talk:parsing-microformats&diff=0&oldid=3570 * Robindranatt * (+527)
  100. [03:51:53] <mfbot> [[Talk:selected-test-cases-from-the-web]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Talk:selected-test-cases-from-the-web&diff=0&oldid=3571 * Robindranatt * (+527)
  101. [03:51:59] <mfbot> [[Talk:vcard-errata]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:vcard-errata * Robindranatt * (+517)
  102. [03:52:16] <mfbot> [[Talk:icalendar-implementations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Talk:icalendar-implementations&diff=0&oldid=3572 * Robindranatt * (+527)
  103. [03:52:31] <mfbot> [[Talk:faqs-for-rdf]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Talk:faqs-for-rdf&diff=0&oldid=3573 * Robindranatt * (+527)
  104. [03:53:02] <mfbot> [[Talk:why-are-content-standards-hard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Talk:why-are-content-standards-hard&diff=0&oldid=3574 * Robindranatt * (+527)
  105. [03:53:23] <mfbot> [[Talk:demo]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Talk:demo&diff=0&oldid=3575 * Robindranatt * (+527)
  106. [03:53:55] <mfbot> [[Talk:Main Page-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Talk:Main_Page-fr&diff=0&oldid=3576 * Robindranatt * (+527)
  107. [03:54:15] <mfbot> [[Talk:how-to-play-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Talk:how-to-play-fr&diff=0&oldid=3578 * Robindranatt * (+527)
  108. [03:54:16] <mfbot> [[Talk:marked-for-deletion]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Talk:marked-for-deletion&diff=0&oldid=3577 * Robindranatt * (+527)
  109. [03:54:28] <mfbot> [[Talk:buttons]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Talk:buttons&diff=0&oldid=3579 * Robindranatt * (+527)
  110. [03:54:43] <mfbot> [[xfn-実装]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xfn-%E5%AE%9F%E8%A3%85&diff=0&oldid=3580 * Robindranatt * (+527)
  111. [03:55:24] <mfbot> [[Talk:Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=3581 * Robindranatt * (+527)
  112. [04:32:01] <mfbot> [[chat-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=chat-examples&diff=0&oldid=3582 * Robert Boyce * (+1003) Added Adium X log format.
  113. [04:33:03] <mfbot> [[chat-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=chat-examples&diff=0&oldid=3583 * Robert Boyce * (+52) Adium X -
  114. [04:38:49] <mfbot> [[chat-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=chat-examples&diff=0&oldid=3584 * Robert Boyce * (+34) bash.org -
  115. [04:39:09] <mfbot> [[chat-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=chat-examples&diff=0&oldid=3585 * Robert Boyce * (+14) Bash.org -
  116. [04:40:35] <mfbot> [[User:Robert Boyce]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:Robert_Boyce * Robert Boyce * (+32)
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  118. [06:34:35] <mfbot> [[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * RyanKing * (+0) blocked "User:Robindranatt" with an expiry time of 10000 hours: spammer
  119. [06:37:06] <mfbot> [[process]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=process&diff=0&oldid=3586 * RyanKing * (-1094) Reverted edit of Robindranatt, changed back to last version by RobertBachmann
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  122. [06:38:04] <mfbot> [[rel-license]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-license&diff=0&oldid=3587 * RyanKing * (-1204) Reverted edit of Robindranatt, changed back to last version by Tantek
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  126. [06:39:13] <mfbot> [[rel-tag]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag&diff=0&oldid=3588 * RyanKing * (-1044) Reverted edit of Robindranatt, changed back to last version by Kevin Marks
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  180. [07:02:03] <Atamido> Merry Christmas everyone! http://files.commo.de/merry_christmas.jpg
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  194. [13:35:46] <fuzzyBSc> Morning, Robert :)
  195. [13:50:06] <RobertBachmann> hi fuzzyBSc
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  197. [13:53:37] <fuzzyBSc> Sorry about the night... I thought but somehow failed to type "and I have submitted patches for the above"... :-/
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  200. [13:56:16] <RobertBachmann> It's not a big problem because all fixes were rather small.
  201. [13:56:16] <RobertBachmann> I hope that we get svn soon because then I'd be able to run 'svn update'
  202. [13:56:16] <RobertBachmann> before attempting any changes ;-)
  203. [13:56:26] <fuzzyBSc> :)
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  205. [13:57:19] <fuzzyBSc> Well, now we're starting to form a test suite it'll become even more important to get that kind of access... multiple files and all. An automated way to run the test suite and one that is more forgiving of changes would be useful.
  206. [13:57:43] <fuzzyBSc> s/changes/differences permitted by atom/
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  208. [13:59:41] <fuzzyBSc> I'm hoping David will get around to making his blog compliant with his standard, soon ;) It'll be interesting to get some feedback from him as to what he expected to pop out in the atom vs what actually is popping out.
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  210. [14:11:33] <RobertBachmann> Yes that would be interessting.
  211. [14:11:33] <RobertBachmann> Regarding the test suite: I wondered if we had Atom2hAtom.xsl perhaps we could do
  212. [14:11:33] <RobertBachmann> xsltproc hAtom2Atom.xsl input.html > atom.tmp
  213. [14:11:33] <RobertBachmann> xsltproc Atom2hAtom.xsl atom.tmp > html.tmp
  214. [14:11:33] <RobertBachmann> xsltproc hAtom2Atom.xsl html.tmp > atom2.tmp
  215. [14:11:34] <RobertBachmann> diff atom.tmp atom2.tmp
  216. [14:11:36] <RobertBachmann> Of course this isn't meant as a substitute for a real (automatic) test suite, but it could be a nice debugging aid.
  217. [14:14:43] <fuzzyBSc> It might even be possible to do a quick and dirty atom normalizer, primarily by sorting the elements within an entry but also by taking a close look a whitespace. If the tests were all normalized in this way it should be trivial to compare output against them by running through it.
  218. [14:15:05] <fuzzyBSc> xslt should be up to it, although I haven't thought through all the details, by any means.
  219. [14:19:47] <RobertBachmann> apropos whitespace, what's the purpose of normalize-space() in <id><xsl:value-of select="normalize-space(@href)"/></id> ?
  220. [14:20:11] <fuzzyBSc> Hrmm...
  221. [14:20:14] * fuzzyBSc has a look
  222. [14:21:17] <fuzzyBSc> I can't think of a reason off the top of my head, unless it is carried over from an earlier version.
  223. [14:21:28] <fuzzyBSc> I'll run without it against the test cases.
  224. [14:22:27] <fuzzyBSc> Everything passes.
  225. [14:24:01] <fuzzyBSc> I'm pretty sure this came from 0.0.5, and I simply didn't remove it. Line 305 in 0.0.5 has the same proviso.
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  227. [14:36:38] <RobertBachmann> I've done some XSLT hacking on christmas myself. The changes mainly add optional <xsl:param>'s to the stylesheet
  228. [14:36:38] <RobertBachmann> source-uri ... URI of the HTML document.
  229. [14:36:38] <RobertBachmann> source-mime ... Type of the HTML document (default: text/html)
  230. [14:36:38] <RobertBachmann> default-language ... Default language of the HTML document. Perhaps from HTTP's Content-Language header.
  231. [14:36:38] <RobertBachmann> I'll try to apply this changes to your version.
  232. [14:37:22] <fuzzyBSc> Ok.
  233. [14:37:43] <fuzzyBSc> So these paramaters are used to fill out the feed/id, etc?
  234. [14:38:38] <fuzzyBSc> Are (xml:?)lang attributes required in the atom output?
  235. [14:38:51] <RobertBachmann> no they aren't
  236. [14:42:32] <fuzzyBSc> What do you do with source-mime? The input to the transform presumably has to be a version of xhtml....?
  237. [14:45:14] <RobertBachmann> default langauge is used as the xml:lang attribute for <feed> if hAtom's feed element (and its ancestors) have no xml:lang (or lang) attribute
  238. [14:45:14] <RobertBachmann> source-uri might be used to deal with relative paths (using http://www.w3.org/2000/07/uri43/uri.xsl)
  239. [14:45:14] <RobertBachmann> source-mime is used for the link element which has a href attribute equal to $source-uri and lacks a type attribute.
  240. [14:48:36] <RobertBachmann> The typical values for $source-mime: text/html (which must be converted to XHTML first) and application/xhtml+xml
  241. [14:49:29] <fuzzyBSc> Ahh, ok. I wasn't thinking about uri resolution. I wonder if using it to supply an xml:base attribute in the root of the ouput document would be sufficient.
  242. [14:49:57] <fuzzyBSc> As for the rel=alternative type attribute, I've been wanting to ask about that.
  243. [14:50:06] <fuzzyBSc> Why supply it at all if the origin document doesn't?
  244. [14:53:09] <fuzzyBSc> I mean, the type of that document could conceivably differ from that of the origin document. With only one alternative there it is unlikely any software that processes it will take the type into account, or so I would have thought.
  245. [14:53:25] <fuzzyBSc> Is it used by some software to shortcut deciding which helper app to load, perhaps?
  246. [14:54:42] <RobertBachmann> I think your are right. Maybe this is a bad idea. Better we don't emit a type attribute if it is not present in the source.
  247. [14:55:34] * fuzzyBSc nods
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  249. [14:55:47] <fuzzyBSc> I preserved it in my changes, but I was unsure about it then.
  250. [14:56:13] <RobertBachmann> regarding URIs: xml:base for <feed> should be sufficent. If the source contains '/html/base[@href]' we use this value instead.
  251. [14:56:13] <RobertBachmann> If $source-mime = ''application/xml+xhtml" we must also take care of xml:base in the source document.
  252. [14:59:07] <fuzzyBSc> Ok. So the rule is:
  253. [14:59:07] <fuzzyBSc> 1) Set xml:base in output to @baseURI if set, to be supplied externally
  254. [14:59:07] <fuzzyBSc> 2) Fall back to duplicating any xml:base attributes we find (at least at the root, but possibly deeper also? Similar handling to (xml:)lang)
  255. [14:59:57] <fuzzyBSc> Err... if that formatted as a smiley face: s/(xml:)lang/(xml: )lang/ :)
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  257. [15:02:37] <RobertBachmann> ad 2) AFAIK (haven't read the xml:base spec yet) same handling as for xml:lang would be appropriate
  258. [15:04:37] <fuzzyBSc> Embarassingly, I can't remember if I have read it or not. I'm fairly confident it has the same scoping behaviour as xml:lang. Each applies to its own element and everything within.
  259. [15:12:03] <RobertBachmann> Another open question is what we should do when translate Atom to hAtom.
  260. [15:14:48] <fuzzyBSc> Meaning aggregation...
  261. [15:15:31] <fuzzyBSc> Is it a problem that needs to be solved in this kind of transform? I would have thought that updating planet code to output hAtom-compliant html would be the key problem to solve in this direction.
  262. [15:16:46] <fuzzyBSc> The question being, is it useful to transform atom into hAtom to be embedded in some page... or is it more useful to be able to convert rss, atom, hAtom, etc into rss, atom, hAtom, etc?
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  264. [15:18:51] <fuzzyBSc> I think hAtom2Atom.xsl has clear motivations:
  265. [15:18:51] <fuzzyBSc> * You want a reference implementation of the transform so later implementors can use it to aid their understanding of the standard.
  266. [15:18:51] <fuzzyBSc> * You want to be able to parse hAtom pages today in places you can currently parse hAtom. A simple transform on the input data and you're done.
  267. [15:19:18] <fuzzyBSc> There also looks to be an argument for helping people migrate their blogs and feeds to hAtom format.
  268. [15:19:39] <fuzzyBSc> I haven't quite seen the niche that Atom2hAtom.xsl would fill, yet.
  269. [15:22:20] <RobertBachmann> Agreed. There are more use cases for hAtom2Atom.
  270. [15:24:34] <RobertBachmann> So let's focus on hAtom2Atom for know ;-)
  271. [15:24:35] <RobertBachmann> How should we deal with invalid hAtom input, for example an <entry> which has no permalink, or an <entry> which has no <abbr class="updated">?
  272. [15:26:52] <fuzzyBSc> My feeling is that we simply leave out what is left out :) Valid Atom isn't necessarily produced as the result of invalid hAtom. I'm not even sure a best effort attempt should be made. Most Atom parsers will be pretty liberal already.
  273. [15:27:52] <fuzzyBSc> I'm not sure that having a liberal hAtom2Atom would be of benefit to the chain. If hAtom2Atom has more information than the atom parse will have at its disposal there is an argument for making some kind of best effort, but I think there is also an argument to be made that this is more of a reference implementation....
  274. [15:28:01] * fuzzyBSc shrugs
  275. [15:28:30] <fuzzyBSc> It might be one to take on a case by case basis, but in general I would like to see hAtom2Atom as simple and clear as it can be.
  276. [15:28:38] <RobertBachmann> I wasn't thinking of a liberal hAtom2Atom I was thinking of <xsl:message terminate="yes">... ;-)
  277. [15:29:52] <Atamido> Merry Christmas everyone! http://files.commo.de/merry_christmas.jpg
  278. [15:30:11] * fuzzyBSc grins
  279. [15:30:13] <fuzzyBSc> Maybe.
  280. [15:30:26] <fuzzyBSc> Merry Christmas, Atamido (for yesterday!) :)
  281. [15:30:35] <RobertBachmann> Merry christmas Atamido
  282. [15:31:51] <fuzzyBSc> Robert: Maybe :) The question to consider is whether this is most likely to be used by a content producer or a consumer... a consumer should be liberal but a producer strict.
  283. [15:32:46] <fuzzyBSc> I'm thinking terminates should be avoided, as it is likely to be in a feed reader pipeline. Publishers should see their own content not being marked up with all of the information they provided should they get things wrong... so I think the current liberal but dumb approach is working... at least for me :)
  284. [15:35:27] <RobertBachmann> Maybe we could use something like <xsl:param name="be-strict" /> ... <xsl:if test="error and $be-strict"><xsl:message terminate="yes">?
  285. [15:39:17] <fuzzyBSc> Robert: Or we could hand validiation off to another tool. A stylesheet of its own, maybe.
  286. [15:41:29] <fuzzyBSc> I think validation and parsing are best kept separate, if possible. Both end up simpler for it in my opinion.
  287. [15:44:07] <RobertBachmann> Sounds like a good idea.
  288. [15:44:08] <RobertBachmann> G2G. Bye
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  291. [15:44:24] <fuzzyBSc> Night :)
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