IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-01-05

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  2. [00:19:12] <jibot> Atamido is Paul Bryson, http://orangeman.commo.de/
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  4. [00:20:00] <kingryan> so what do you guys think about http://microformats.org/wiki/blog-post-brainstorming#Possible_Atom_to_microformat.28s.29_mapping ?
  5. [00:27:35] <KevinMarks> you kept 'content' ?
  6. [00:35:32] <kingryan> yeah, we did
  7. [00:35:43] <kingryan> we couldn't make a case for changing it to anything else
  8. [00:35:52] <kingryan> nor could we deal with leaving it naked
  9. [00:45:06] <KevinMarks> not sure about excerpt and abstract as distinct - they may make more sense as an 'and' thing
  10. [00:45:41] <KevinMarks> ie it's always an abstrct, but it may be an excerpt too ?
  11. [00:48:21] <kingryan> you can always apply both classnames to the same thing
  12. [00:48:29] <kingryan> anyway, that's defered for now
  13. [00:48:34] <kingryan> deferred*
  14. [00:49:49] <kingryan> gotta run
  15. [00:49:53] <kingryan> see you guys later.
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  23. [01:17:16] <KevinMarks> http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/cc-metadata/2006-January/000766.html
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  30. [04:23:16] <mfbot> [[to-do]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do&diff=0&oldid=3907 * Tantek * (+284) fotonotes todo
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  32. [04:41:10] <jibot> BenjaminCarlyle is http://soundadvice.id.au/blog/, GMT+1000
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  35. [05:37:38] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  37. [06:23:21] <cgranade> How do you embed hCal info into an Atom feed?
  38. [06:24:57] <cgranade> Also, I've been thinking about how to declare that a microformat is used in a document.
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  40. [06:47:52] <mfbot> [[hcard-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples&diff=0&oldid=3908 * Tantek * (-2) 3.6.1 CATEGORIES Type Definition -
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  42. [06:50:03] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-examples&diff=0&oldid=3909 * Tantek * (-1) 5. iCalendar Object Examples -
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  45. [06:54:09] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-examples&diff=0&oldid=3910 * Tantek * (+94) singularize categories to category in hCalendar markup
  46. [07:00:05] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-examples&diff=0&oldid=3911 * Tantek * (+0)
  47. [07:04:51] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-examples&diff=0&oldid=3912 * Tantek * (-57) 5. iCalendar Object Examples -
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  49. [07:14:42] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
  50. [07:17:55] <cgranade> How do you embed hCal info into an Atom feed?
  51. [07:37:48] <Tantek> in the content, as you would any other XML content
  52. [07:40:11] <Tantek> or rather, any other XHTML content even
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  55. [07:57:38] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-issues&diff=0&oldid=3913 * Tantek * (+256) Issues -
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  61. [08:27:46] <jibot> kingryan is ryan king
  62. [08:27:50] <mfbot> [[hatom-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-issues&diff=0&oldid=3914 * Tantek * (+1092) gave more feedback on "New Nomenclature"
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  65. [08:29:46] <mfbot> [[hatom-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-issues&diff=0&oldid=3915 * Tantek * (-444) retracted and removed my proposal to use "description" class name for Atom's content element
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  69. [08:51:37] <jibot> t1m is http://tim.textdriven.com/
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  74. [11:03:12] <mfbot> [[hatom-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-issues&diff=0&oldid=3916 * DavidJanes * (-1) Entry Content (atom:content) -
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  93. [12:43:56] <mfbot> [[hreview]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview&diff=0&oldid=3918 * Westi * (+113) Add another of my examples
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  97. [12:56:37] <jibot> RobertBachmann is Robert Bachmann (Timezone: +0100)
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  101. [13:13:26] <jibot> bkdelong is B.K. DeLong, Head Research Analyst for HALO Worldwide - http://www.haloworldwide.com. Web: http://www.brain-stream.com. Email: bkdelong@pobox.com - Is At ApacheCon
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  104. [13:32:19] <mfbot> [[User:Izo]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:Izo * Izo * (+52)
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  117. [14:35:58] <jibot> dglazkov is Dimitri Glazkov (http://glazkov.com)
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  130. [15:56:08] <jibot> Atamido is Paul Bryson, http://orangeman.commo.de/
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  132. [16:02:50] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-examples&diff=0&oldid=3920 * Mark Mansour * (-1)
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  141. [17:34:42] <jibot> bkdelong is B.K. DeLong, Head Research Analyst for HALO Worldwide - http://www.haloworldwide.com. Web: http://www.brain-stream.com. Email: bkdelong@pobox.com - Is At ApacheCon
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  147. [18:51:59] <jibot> kingryan is ryan king
  148. [18:52:01] <mfbot> [[rest/ahah]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest/ahah&diff=0&oldid=3921 * DrErnie * (+203) Implementations -
  149. [18:52:12] <mfbot> [[rest/ahah]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest/ahah&diff=0&oldid=3922 * DrErnie * (-2) Implementations -
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  152. [18:54:59] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and runs www.csslounge.co.uk
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  154. [19:03:50] <kingryan> good morning everybody
  155. [19:06:57] <hober> yo!
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  157. [19:15:23] <mfbot> [[rest/ahah]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest/ahah&diff=0&oldid=3923 * DrErnie * (+900) Indexing -
  158. [19:15:23] <kingryan> how's it going, hober?
  159. [19:15:23] <mfbot> [[rest/ahah]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest/ahah&diff=0&oldid=3924 * DrErnie * (+37) Meta tags - links
  160. [19:15:23] <hober> not bad, not bad. IE's driving me up the wall, but that's how it's always been. you?
  161. [19:15:23] <kingryan> I'm alright
  162. [19:15:23] <kingryan> just bugfixing
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  171. [19:46:36] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  173. [20:07:33] <jibot> RobertBachmann is Robert Bachmann (Timezone: +0100)
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  175. [20:22:22] <RobertBachmann> Is there any progress with Trac / Subversion?
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  177. [20:22:56] <kingryan> RobertBachmann, not yet
  178. [20:23:04] <kingryan> sorry, that's been stalled
  179. [20:29:12] <RobertBachmann> Why? No time at hand?
  180. [20:29:25] <kingryan> no, too many people to coordinate
  181. [20:29:35] <kingryan> matt mullenweg was supposed to work on it, but he's too busy
  182. [20:29:45] <kingryan> then we've had trouble setting up mod_auth_mysql
  183. [20:29:55] <kingryan> so, we're reconsidering how we wanna do it
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  185. [20:34:22] <RobertBachmann> mod_auth_mysql ... not a standard apache module ... ah http://modauthmysql.sourceforge.net/.
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  187. [20:35:02] <jibot> BenjaminCarlyle is http://soundadvice.id.au/blog/, GMT+1000
  188. [20:35:25] <kingryan> yeah, and it isn't playing nice with our setup
  189. [20:37:26] <RobertBachmann> why don't use htpassword files?
  190. [20:38:02] <kingryan> 'cause we didn't want to add another username/password to people's lives
  191. [20:38:15] <kingryan> so, we were going to reuse the wiki user accounts
  192. [20:40:02] <RobertBachmann> I see.
  193. [20:40:54] <kingryan> and a million other things have gotten in the way :D
  194. [20:40:58] <kingryan> time-wise
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  196. [20:43:35] <RobertBachmann> AFAIK MediaWiki passwords use a different hash function than Apache.
  197. [20:47:33] <mfbot> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=3925 * RyanKing * (+78) Examples in the wild - marked Richi Jennings' hcard as invalid
  198. [20:48:00] <kingryan> supposedly, mod_auth_mysql can use several different hashing algos
  199. [20:58:14] <RobertBachmann> mod_auth_mysql supports crypt(), AES, MD5, SHA1 and MySQL PASSWORD() encryption.
  200. [20:58:14] <RobertBachmann> MediaWiki uses MD5 but in a very strange way: md5(USERNAME + '-' + md5(PLAIN_PASSWORD))
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  202. [21:07:57] <_fil_> RobertBachmann: not so strange, as it makes harder the dictionary approach
  203. [21:08:09] * neuro` is now known as Frederic
  204. [21:11:16] <RobertBachmann> _fil_: compared to what?
  205. [21:12:57] * edsu is now known as don
  206. [21:13:43] <_fil_> compared to hash(password)
  207. [21:14:11] * don is now known as edsu
  208. [21:14:40] <_fil_> then if by chance you and I use the same password (say, "friend"), we don't get the same hash
  209. [21:21:44] <RobertBachmann> ah I see. My reference to strange was that usually (or at least Apache does it this way) a random salt is used together with the password.
  210. [21:21:44] <RobertBachmann> Apache: $salt=rand(); ... hash($salt . $password);
  211. [21:21:44] <RobertBachmann> MediaWiki: $salt=$user.'-'; ... hash($salt . $password);
  212. [21:24:16] <_fil_> this you can't do with md5
  213. [21:24:56] <jibot> Macdome is a WebKit engineer who hacks on XML, XHTML, XSLT and SVG
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  215. [21:26:07] <_fil_> it would be sorry
  216. [21:26:14] <_fil_> [UNDO]
  217. [21:26:36] <_fil_> the basic idea is : you need to keep track of the salt
  218. [21:26:55] <_fil_> so it's easier not to add a field to track it, and use the login as salt
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  223. [21:37:32] <jibot> factoryjoe is Chris Messina, works for Flock, Bar Camp and Rhyzomatic and is working towards open source world domination
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  226. [21:43:06] <jibot> RobertBachmann is Robert Bachmann (Timezone: +0100)
  227. [21:50:06] <RobertBachmann> _fil_: MediaWikis algo is easier to manage because you don't need to store the salt. However, IMO it would be better if MediaWiki would use the same algo as Apache, this way you extract the passwords/usernames to a textfile and use it with Apache's mod_auth
  228. [21:50:32] <RobertBachmann> you could* extract
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  230. [21:54:26] <_fil_> you're right
  231. [22:01:06] <mfbot> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=3926 * RyanKing * (+131) Examples in the wild - added note about shifting pixel's hcard
  232. [22:05:17] <mfbot> [[hatom-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-issues&diff=0&oldid=3927 * BenjaminCarlyle * (+21) +1 atom:feed = hfeed
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  237. [22:29:18] <mfbot> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=3928 * RyanKing * (+133) Examples in the wild - added note about bath.ac.uk hcards being invalid
  238. [22:36:35] <mfbot> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=3929 * RyanKing * (+79) Examples in the wild -
  239. [22:36:41] <mfbot> [[hatom-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-issues&diff=0&oldid=3930 * BenjaminCarlyle * (+2634) Vote mass-edit
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  241. [22:49:08] <kingryan> anyone know of an hcard that uses 'po box'?
  242. [22:49:13] <kingryan> (and is valid :D)
  243. [22:56:32] <mfbot> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=3931 * RyanKing * (+46) Examples in the wild -
  244. [23:03:03] <mfbot> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=3932 * RyanKing * (-21) Examples in the wild -
  245. [23:05:07] <_fil_> please check http://sedna.spip.org/sedna/
  246. [23:05:15] <_fil_> for hAtom
  247. [23:05:58] <izo_> it's great :)
  248. [23:06:05] <_fil_> izo_: you cheat
  249. [23:15:40] <mfbot> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=3933 * RyanKing * (+165) Examples in the wild -
  250. [23:15:48] <BenjaminCarlyle> _fil_: The sedna url parses pretty well with hAtom2Atom.xsl
  251. [23:16:14] <BenjaminCarlyle> The blog title isn't parsing, but that is one of the issues currently under discussion.
  252. [23:16:53] <BenjaminCarlyle> Beware that hAtom is currently in a state of naming flux. Most class names used are currently up for review and will likely be changed.
  253. [23:17:01] <mfbot> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=3934 * RyanKing * (+45) Examples in the wild -
  254. [23:18:24] <BenjaminCarlyle> Hrrmm.. the character set doesn't seem to be coming across, right.
  255. [23:18:47] <_fil_> well you need to tidy -asxhtml first
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  257. [23:19:15] <_fil_> although it is validated as xhtml 1.0 strict
  258. [23:19:50] <BenjaminCarlyle> _fil_: I already run -asxhtml. I don't think you specify a character encoding, but you don't seem to be using utf-8. I think utf-8 is the default in xml documents if you don't supply one.
  259. [23:20:37] <BenjaminCarlyle> Hrrmm.. but mozilla parses it correctly.
  260. [23:20:40] * BenjaminCarlyle does some more checking
  261. [23:20:49] <_fil_> the head says <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" />
  262. [23:21:30] <BenjaminCarlyle> No, I think it's the other way around. You do use utf-8, but it is getting lost somewhere along the way. Does that sound right?
  263. [23:21:40] <BenjaminCarlyle> It might just be my feed reader.
  264. [23:22:37] <_fil_> or your atom result?
  265. [23:23:25] <_fil_> hAtom2Atom.xsl has an issue as it doesn't pick theentry.title correctly
  266. [23:23:52] <_fil_> I know how to make sedna pass this, but the bug is the following:
  267. [23:24:18] <_fil_> <span class=title><a href=.... title=URL>TITLE</a></span>
  268. [23:24:28] <_fil_> the title should TITLE, and here it's URL
  269. [23:24:55] <BenjaminCarlyle> _fil_: You might be using an old version. The current version has a pretty good test case attached. The rule in the spec is currently "the first class="title" element, or if none exists the first <h*> element, or if none exists empty".
  270. [23:25:17] <BenjaminCarlyle> Urrmm....
  271. [23:25:21] * BenjaminCarlyle has another look at the source
  272. [23:25:41] <_fil_> well I don't know I'll update it in case
  273. [23:25:49] <BenjaminCarlyle> I'm not seeing class="title" in the source of that url.
  274. [23:26:08] <BenjaminCarlyle> I only see it within individual entries.
  275. [23:27:15] <BenjaminCarlyle> _fil_: You can pick up the latest xsl from http://rbach.priv.at/repos/hatom/hatom2atom.xsl/trunk/
  276. [23:27:39] <_fil_> oh I was on http://lukearno.com/projects/hAtom/hAtom2Atom.xsl
  277. [23:28:43] <_fil_> this one's OK :)
  278. [23:29:04] <_fil_> I mean, http://rbach.priv.at/repos/hatom/hatom2atom.xsl/trunk/hAtom2Atom.xsl does parse it correctly
  279. [23:29:36] <_fil_> what do you mean by "I'm not seeing class="title" in the source of that url."??
  280. [23:31:31] <BenjaminCarlyle> _fil_: I don't see any class=title wrapped around the feed title, so the first heading is used as the feed title (6 janvier)
  281. [23:31:36] * edsu (n=esummers@66.187.134.52) Quit ("leaving")
  282. [23:31:44] <BenjaminCarlyle> The entries look ok.
  283. [23:31:59] <_fil_> I see
  284. [23:32:17] <_fil_> I left that out completely
  285. [23:32:29] <_fil_> does "source" parse ?
  286. [23:32:36] <_fil_> for each entry?
  287. [23:33:28] * izo_ (n=izo@boi59-1-82-66-128-84.fbx.proxad.net) Quit ()
  288. [23:33:29] <BenjaminCarlyle> Source?
  289. [23:33:50] <BenjaminCarlyle> _fil_: That character encoding problem appears to be caused by tidy. If I drop that out of the pipeline I get good utf-8.
  290. [23:33:53] <_fil_> well, maybe that's RSS :)
  291. [23:34:11] <_fil_> source is where the article comes from
  292. [23:34:12] <mfbot> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=3935 * RyanKing * (-202) Examples in the wild -
  293. [23:34:41] <BenjaminCarlyle> _fil_: The author metadata seems a little off. Is it within the entry element?
  294. [23:35:13] <_fil_> yes
  295. [23:35:46] <_fil_> it's for exeample "fil[@]rezo.net" or "Laurent"
  296. [23:35:48] <BenjaminCarlyle> Hrrm.. or it could be something on my side again. One copy of the feed is ok, the other isn't.
  297. [23:35:49] * BenjaminCarlyle checks
  298. [23:36:10] <_fil_> but it's only a <span class="author">, I didn't detail it with an hcard
  299. [23:38:06] <BenjaminCarlyle> Yeah, I don't know what it was. It is working now.
  300. [23:39:20] <BenjaminCarlyle> Hrmm.. maybe not. It is only the AStrasbourg-251-1-41-251.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr le 2006 01 05 - 00:49 entry that isn't working.
  301. [23:39:44] <_fil_> that's coming from a wiki editing rss feed :)
  302. [23:39:52] <BenjaminCarlyle> Ahh... because it doesn't have an author entry :)
  303. [23:40:09] <_fil_> is it compulsory?
  304. [23:40:34] <BenjaminCarlyle> The current implementation jumps up to the feed level when that happens, and finds all authors that exist in the document. This is contrary to the standard, and probably needs to be thought out a little better :)
  305. [23:40:53] <BenjaminCarlyle> So yes. Apart from the feed title, everything seems to be in order :)
  306. [23:41:10] <_fil_> feed titleis coming
  307. [23:41:23] <BenjaminCarlyle> (although technically "updated" is required by the atom specification)
  308. [23:41:49] <_fil_> updated or published?
  309. [23:41:53] <mfbot> [[hcard-parsing]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-parsing&diff=0&oldid=3936 * Tantek * (+57) parsing hCard properties and values -
  310. [23:42:06] <_fil_> in this case it's one and the same
  311. [23:42:39] <mfbot> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=3937 * RyanKing * (+43) Examples in the wild -
  312. [23:43:54] <_fil_> now you have the feed title I guess?
  313. [23:44:58] <_fil_> can I <abbr class="published updated" title="xxxx"> ?
  314. [23:45:18] <hober> _fil_: yes
  315. [23:45:45] <_fil_> ok
  316. [23:45:49] * danja (i=DannyAye@host233-217.pool80104.interbusiness.it) Quit ("Ciao!")
  317. [23:45:53] <kingryan> _fil_: you can always do that, unless one is supposed to be a child of the other
  318. [23:45:57] <BenjaminCarlyle> _fil_: I get "Sedna RSS   sedna   http://sedna.spip.org/"
  319. [23:45:57] <kingryan> then you have to nest them
  320. [23:45:58] <_fil_> I can't see "feed title" on the hatom wiki
  321. [23:46:10] <kingryan> I didn't think feed title was defined yet
  322. [23:46:29] <kingryan> its still up for debate
  323. [23:46:47] <BenjaminCarlyle> kingryan: Everything is up for debate until the 10th :)
  324. [23:47:01] <_fil_> I would recommend against it
  325. [23:47:11] <kingryan> what's on the 10th?
  326. [23:47:32] <BenjaminCarlyle> kingryan: David's suggested cut-off or nomenclature discussion...
  327. [23:47:36] <kingryan> oh yeah
  328. [23:47:52] <kingryan> well, tantek and I proposed some stuff and sent it to david
  329. [23:48:07] <kingryan> we should hopefully be able to resolve most of it this week and move towards v1
  330. [23:48:13] <_fil_> ok now it's class="published updated"
  331. [23:48:16] * BenjaminCarlyle nods
  332. [23:48:34] <_fil_> I hope you like this clone of Safari RSS :)
  333. [23:52:21] <kingryan> very nice
  334. [23:52:32] <BenjaminCarlyle> Hrrm.. the parser might need a little more work. It's picking up the published class and not doing any further processing on the element.
  335. [23:53:04] <_fil_> did you guys find the language menu?
  336. [23:53:48] <_fil_> there's something weird: the abbr title does spring up
  337. [23:54:01] <_fil_> (it's on the timestamps)
  338. [23:54:04] <BenjaminCarlyle> kingryan: Yeah, I've been on the CC list for a fair bit of recent discussion. I think consensus will be reached by the 10th, or thereabout. There will still be some discussion over opacity, I think.
  339. [23:54:41] <kingryan> well, the proposal tantek, kevin and I have made will eliminate most needs for opacity
  340. [23:55:08] <_fil_> hopefully you can eradicate this idea too
  341. [23:55:18] <_fil_> it's not anywhere in the 80%
  342. [23:55:24] <kingryan> right
  343. [23:55:29] <_fil_> it's more in the last bit of 99.9%
  344. [23:55:37] <BenjaminCarlyle> I would like to see opacity pretty-much disappear, too. I want to hear more of what David has to say on the issue first though. I figure he's been thinking about it for a while.
  345. [23:55:39] <_fil_> my grandmother will never understand it
  346. [23:55:51] <kingryan> :D
  347. [23:55:59] <kingryan> btw, _fil_, are you on http://microformats.org/wiki/irc ?
  348. [23:56:10] <_fil_> no
  349. [23:56:15] <_fil_> should I?
  350. [23:56:32] <BenjaminCarlyle> _fil_: The language thing is nice.
  351. [23:56:40] <kingryan> only if you're a regular :D
  352. [23:57:45] <_fil_> oh I think I forgot the language bit of each entry
  353. [23:57:55] <_fil_> is that in the hAtom spec?
  354. [23:58:47] <BenjaminCarlyle> _fil_: It isn't specified, but hAtom2Atom.xsl tries to extract as much language context as exists in the source document. If you have a lang="fr" or xml:lang="fr" it should appear within the atom output as well.
  355. [23:59:24] <_fil_> I need to dig it out first
  356. [23:59:39] <BenjaminCarlyle> xml:base gets similar handling, so it is theoretically safe to use relative links.

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