IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-01-06

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  1. [00:00:55] <_fil_> would you recommend 'hreflang="en"' in the 'a' part of the link, or 'lang="en"' in the <span> part
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  3. [00:01:06] <jibot> bkdelong is B.K. DeLong, Head Research Analyst for HALO Worldwide - http://www.haloworldwide.com. Web: http://www.brain-stream.com. Email: bkdelong@pobox.com - Is At ApacheCon
  4. [00:01:10] <_fil_> don't say "both", it'll be too verbose
  5. [00:01:41] <mfbot> [[irc]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=irc&diff=0&oldid=3938 * Fil * (+27) add Fil
  6. [00:02:16] <BenjaminCarlyle> _fil_: hreflang indicates the lang of the link target. lang would indicate <a lang="fr" href="...">this text</a>
  7. [00:03:34] <BenjaminCarlyle> hreflang is theoretically redundant, as the client will presumably get lang information when it derferences the url. It exists primarily when multiple links exist for the same content, and a browser wants to choose the most appropriate before looking anything up.
  8. [00:03:37] <mfbot> [[User:Fil]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/User:Fil * Fil * (+155) who's I
  9. [00:04:47] <_fil_> I would think the opposite
  10. [00:05:27] <BenjaminCarlyle> Also, xml:lang applies recursively. You only have to make up the document as a whole, then new contexts that change language. For example, you might mark up the ?lang=en variant with xml:lang="en" at the top level, then augment a french entry with xml:lang="fr".
  11. [00:05:41] <_fil_> suppose I write <a href="www.teve.es">Spanish television</a>
  12. [00:05:42] <BenjaminCarlyle> s/make/mark/
  13. [00:05:57] <_fil_> it should be hreflang='es'
  14. [00:05:59] <_fil_> and lang="en"
  15. [00:06:03] <_fil_> no?
  16. [00:06:07] * BenjaminCarlyle nods
  17. [00:06:25] <BenjaminCarlyle> Although the hreflang is unlikely to be used by anything.
  18. [00:06:37] <_fil_> so what's interesting to give in the hAtom feed is the language of the link, not of its description
  19. [00:07:03] <BenjaminCarlyle> Well, the description's lang should be inherited from the entry lang usually.
  20. [00:07:14] <BenjaminCarlyle> You shouldn't have to specify it individually.
  21. [00:07:48] <BenjaminCarlyle> The language of the link is usually irrelevant until someone clicks on it, so the answer to your question is probably not "both" but "neither".
  22. [00:08:05] <_fil_> I don't follow you
  23. [00:08:18] <_fil_> If I syndicate my multilingual site
  24. [00:08:43] <_fil_> I want some aggregator to be able to filter the links by language if it needs
  25. [00:09:24] <BenjaminCarlyle> The document will likely look like this for the french variant: <body xml:lang="fr">...<div class="entry" xml:lang="en">Follow this link to <a href="...">spanish television</a>...</div>...</body>
  26. [00:09:44] <_fil_> yes
  27. [00:09:47] <BenjaminCarlyle> Well, if you are filtering links then you need the hreflang.
  28. [00:10:21] <_fil_> that's what I think; in fact I'm not really doing anything with all this, it's more play than work :)
  29. [00:10:28] <BenjaminCarlyle> If someone is reading a blog entry with links in it, they'll decide what to click on themselves. The browser will never use the hreflang value, instead preferring to interpret what it gets back when you click :)
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  31. [00:10:48] <_fil_> yes, but not all is blog
  32. [00:11:02] <_fil_> spip.net is documentation, and multilingual
  33. [00:11:02] <BenjaminCarlyle> True.
  34. [00:19:53] <mfbot> [[User:Fil]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:Fil&diff=0&oldid=3939 * Fil * (+77) add troll
  35. [00:20:24] <mfbot> [[User:Fil]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:Fil&diff=0&oldid=3940 * Fil * (+3) correction in link
  36. [00:27:24] <_fil_> ok now we have hreflang
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  40. [00:27:38] <_fil_> only when the language is informed, of course
  41. [00:28:08] <_fil_> tantek: we're discussing "lang" in hAtom
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  43. [00:28:31] <tantek> as opposed to xml:lang?
  44. [00:28:37] <_fil_> when the feed is a collection of links not of data
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  47. [00:29:03] <_fil_> in that case it should be hreflang, in theory
  48. [00:29:10] <tantek> correct
  49. [00:29:11] <_fil_> but is it going to be implemented ?
  50. [00:29:17] <_fil_> in parsers?
  51. [00:29:29] <kingryan> ask parser implementers :D
  52. [00:29:32] <_fil_> I've added it to sedna, just in case
  53. [00:29:38] <_fil_> http://sedna.spip.org/sedna/
  54. [00:29:54] <_fil_> (only when the data is available)
  55. [00:30:44] <_fil_> you can see it better here: http://sedna.spip.org/sedna/?id_syndic=31&lang=en&age=365
  56. [00:30:53] <_fil_> there's some italian
  57. [00:31:20] <_fil_> even some chinese
  58. [00:31:33] <kingryan> cool
  59. [00:32:06] <_fil_> arabic too, though I left out the RTL thing
  60. [00:33:33] <_fil_> but hreflang, lang and xml:lang are not suitable for mf, because they're not visible
  61. [00:35:33] <_fil_> and, do you have an idea why my abbr title is not popping up when I hover them ? (in safari, at least)?
  62. [00:35:45] <_fil_> this is weird
  63. [00:38:32] <kingryan> yeah, that's weird
  64. [00:42:01] <_fil_> maybe it's in a lower layer
  65. [00:42:07] <_fil_> weird css
  66. [00:43:29] <kingryan> can you suppress that w/ css?
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  68. [00:46:12] <_fil_> yes
  69. [00:59:17] <_fil_> is there a way to specify that your page has mf in it?
  70. [00:59:29] <_fil_> and a link to some official page?
  71. [00:59:31] <kingryan> in theory, yes
  72. [00:59:47] <kingryan> <head profile="<profile uri for mf>">
  73. [00:59:55] <kingryan> but we don't have profile uri for most formats yet
  74. [01:00:09] <_fil_> ok; but I meant, visibly to the user
  75. [01:00:19] <kingryan> no
  76. [01:00:29] <kingryan> we need to develop some badgets and such
  77. [01:00:30] <_fil_> and what would it be, for hatom? (the profile)
  78. [01:00:37] <kingryan> don't know
  79. [01:00:55] <_fil_> I kind of like the favicon
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  81. [01:04:31] <kingryan> we have some buttons here: http://microformats.org/wiki/buttons
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  83. [01:08:42] <mfbot> [[hatom]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom&diff=0&oldid=3941 * Fil * (+97) add Sedna RSS to the "Examples in the wild" section
  84. [01:11:03] <mfbot> [[hatom]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom&diff=0&oldid=3942 * Fil * (+110) add sources link to sedna
  85. [01:11:13] <_fil_> hope this is not too much?
  86. [01:19:34] <mfbot> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=3943 * RyanKing * (+257) Examples in the wild -
  87. [01:21:51] <kingryan> _fil_, just be prepared to change it if the format changes :D
  88. [01:23:12] <_fil_> but, of course!
  89. [01:23:22] <kingryan> good
  90. [01:24:31] <_fil_> I wish to include also the client-side (parser); the php+xsl code works but I'm not sure how to auto-detect the format
  91. [01:25:18] <_fil_> php+xsl code is at http://zone.spip.org/trac/spip-zone/browser/_squelettes_/hBones/hatom.php
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  98. [02:02:05] <Tantek> apparently
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  108. [03:58:38] <BenjaminCarlyle> _fil_: The question isn't whether hreflang will be parsed, but whether it'll be used for anything :)
  109. [04:00:04] <BenjaminCarlyle> As I said before, it is primarly meant for <link> rather than <a> elements... things that are being processed by a machine anyway. It allows a publisher to provide (for example) alternate version of a page in different languages and at different urls, and have the browser understand the relationship between those versions.
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  111. [04:01:02] <BenjaminCarlyle> You brought up the filtering by language case, which could be interesting if it were a common use case. Much past that I don't see being implemented, and even language filtering sounds to me like an edge case for most readers.
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  114. [04:33:28] <_fil_> language information is absolutely necessary for automatic speech
  115. [04:33:40] <_fil_> but that may be xml:lang, not hreflang
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  242. [13:12:31] <RobertBachmann> You want spam. Look no further Serginandr has it! ;-)
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  294. [22:07:52] <mfbot> [[hcalendar]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=4013 * DavidJanes * (+269) Open source calendars that could be modified to support hCalendar
  295. [22:18:50] <kingryan> hey hober
  296. [22:20:17] <kingryan> I just noticed that eventful.com/venues/V0-001-000102495-4 doesn't validate
  297. [22:20:30] <kingryan> you left a '>' out
  298. [22:26:13] <hober> grr.
  299. [22:27:19] <hober> insert standard rant about cow-orkers who don't care about markup quality here
  300. [22:30:06] <hober> ok; fixed in SVN and on our staging box, will be pushed when the next push happens
  301. [22:30:14] <hober> thanks for the heads-up :)
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  303. [22:40:39] <kingryan> np
  304. [22:40:52] <kingryan> got a friend trying to parse stuff (and I'm working on test-cases, too)
  305. [22:41:38] <mfbot> [[hcalendar]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=4014 * RyanKing * (+18) Human vs. Machine readable -
  306. [22:42:40] <mfbot> [[hcalendar]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=4015 * RyanKing * (+6) Example - fixing formatting
  307. [22:45:06] <hober> thanks for sending me this particular venue detail page. it highlights a problem with our user-html-sanitizer I've been agitating about for a while
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  309. [22:57:59] <kingryan> np, hober
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  311. [23:48:02] <mfbot> [[attention-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-examples&diff=0&oldid=4016 * GregElin * (+85) Added attention stream link and chat as examples - Greg Elin
  312. [23:48:38] <mfbot> [[attention-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-examples&diff=0&oldid=4017 * GregElin * (+12) Authors -
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