IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-01-08

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  42. [12:18:42] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and runs www.csslounge.co.uk
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  46. [13:49:16] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  54. [19:01:43] <jibot> tantek is Tantek Çelik and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  57. [19:04:39] <jibot> hober is Edward O'Connor and works for EVDB on http://eventful.com/ and lives in San Diego, CA (-08:00)
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  60. [19:13:54] <tantek> hi hober, how is the hCard-fixing on eventful.com going?
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  63. [19:29:28] <Frederic> Hello tantek
  64. [19:29:57] <Frederic> tantek: do you have any influence on the w3c validator? I think there is a problem with it
  65. [19:30:13] <tantek> i believe there is a mailing list where you can report bugs
  66. [19:30:22] <Frederic> OK
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  68. [20:34:40] <jibot> BenjaminCarlyle is http://soundadvice.id.au/blog/, GMT+1000
  69. [20:46:04] <trovster> I added a site which uses hCards (vCards) to the wiki.
  70. [20:46:23] <trovster> Also, why is it hCards, and not vCards (which are the HTML versions?)
  71. [20:46:34] <Frederic> hCards
  72. [20:46:55] <Frederic> h means (x)html doesn't it?
  73. [20:51:48] <trovster> Don't think so
  74. [21:03:31] <cgriego> vCards are the files used by address book programs. hCards are the representation of vCard data in html.
  75. [21:04:52] <trovster> OK, I got it the wrong way around!
  76. [21:09:18] <cgriego> It gets worse with vCalendar/iCalendar/hCalendar
  77. [21:09:43] <kingryan> yeah, cgriego
  78. [21:09:51] <kingryan> icalendar files have 'vcalendar' in them
  79. [21:10:08] <kingryan> or, better 'BEGIN:VCALENDAR'
  80. [21:10:32] <cgriego> the way I understand it, vCalendar is the original spec and iCalendar was based on it.
  81. [21:10:39] <kingryan> yeah
  82. [21:11:38] <cgriego> I always assumed vCalendar was the spec and peopled called iCalendar because if OS X's iCal
  83. [21:11:53] <cgriego> but now I see iCalendar is also the spec, nice and confusing
  84. [21:12:28] <kingryan> yeah
  85. [21:14:56] <cgriego> is it just me or does geo seems like the vCard spec just had it tossed in as an afterthought?
  86. [21:15:43] <kingryan> its not just geo
  87. [21:16:13] <kingryan> both icalendar and vcard have stuff in them that seems like an afterthought and is underspecified
  88. [21:16:55] <cgriego> how are you supposed to determine what geo is in relation to? it doesn't seem that it supports the home/work sort of 'type'-ing.
  89. [21:17:43] <cgriego> without that, I would think you'd have to assume that the data was from a live source like a cellphone gps chip :)
  90. [21:20:57] <kingryan> yeah, underspecified
  91. [21:22:21] <cgriego> if I were to treat h-geo as the micro-microformat the wiki says it is, would geo as a child of adr be a valid use?
  92. [21:22:41] <kingryan> you can
  93. [21:22:57] <kingryan> but, as it is, there's no specification for what that means
  94. [21:23:15] <kingryan> you can always embed microformats in each other, its just matter of whether it makes sense or not
  95. [21:24:58] <cgriego> I think I'll start doing that and hope it "emerges as a structure out of collected data".
  96. [21:40:33] <BenjaminCarlyle> Frederic: It was my guess that h meant "micro" (turn it upside down, an you get you mu)
  97. [21:40:58] <kingryan> nah, BenjaminCarlyle, h = html
  98. [21:41:03] <kingryan> or (x)html
  99. [21:41:39] <BenjaminCarlyle> Ok :)
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  101. [21:43:19] <Frederic> hahaha :)
  102. [21:43:21] <Frederic> thx kingryan
  103. [22:08:28] <TantekC> cgriego, you said: hope it "emerges as a structure out of collected data"
  104. [22:08:36] <TantekC> that's exactly the right attitude
  105. [22:09:11] <TantekC> Benjamin, wow, never saw that (upside-down h = � = micro). very cool.
  106. [22:12:44] <mfbot> [[book-examples]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/book-examples * Tantek * (+526)
  107. [22:14:30] <mfbot> [[book-formats]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/book-formats * Tantek * (+387)
  108. [22:14:46] <mfbot> [[book-formats]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=book-formats&diff=0&oldid=4031 * Tantek * (+4) See Also -
  109. [22:16:07] <mfbot> [[book-brainstorming]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/book-brainstorming * Tantek * (+433)
  110. [22:17:13] <mfbot> [[book-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=book-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=4032 * Tantek * (+41)
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  112. [22:21:30] <jibot> RobertBachmann is Robert Bachmann (Timezone: +0100)
  113. [22:21:45] <mfbot> [[Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=4033 * Tantek * (+73) Exploratory discussions -
  114. [22:23:11] <mfbot> [[Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=4034 * Tantek * (+21) Exploratory discussions -
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  134. [23:48:59] <t1m> so you can use any reasonable elements for a microformat, as long as the class's and structure stays the same as the given example on the wiki?
  135. [23:49:47] <kingryan> the semantics are applied by classnames and link relationships
  136. [23:49:59] <kingryan> so, yes, you can use whatever structural elements are appropriate
  137. [23:51:00] <t1m> ok, sounds good.

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