IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-01-11
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- [00:00:13] <kingryan> awesome 
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- [00:01:43] <kingryan> I wish there was a way to edit events, hober 
- [00:01:57] <kingryan> like this one, http://eventful.com/events/E0-001-000524845-5, which lacks an end time 
- [00:03:08] <hober> An event's creator can edit it 
- [00:04:39] <tantek> but in this case the user is "evdb" 
- [00:04:46] <kingryan> yeah 
- [00:05:04] <kingryan> you should let people edit events that were added by your spider 
- [00:05:05] <hober> which means that the event was added to the system in some automated way 
- [00:05:13] <kingryan> (it'd be good feedback for your algorithms) 
- [00:05:21] <tantek> so how does one edit such automatically edited events? 
- [00:05:23] <hober> It wasn't added by a spider. 
- [00:05:35] <hober> ATM, one doesn't 
- [00:05:41] <tantek> or if editing is not possible, then how does one clone and make a better copy? 
- [00:05:44] <hober> but this is a known issue 
- [00:05:53] <hober> 'create similar event' over on the right 
- [00:05:57] <hober> also, see 'report problem' 
- [00:07:44] <hober> OK, so the skinny from across the office is that we have some kind of crawling arrangement with sdforum; I'll prod the person who wrote that crawler to improve the end-time detection 
- [00:08:07] <hober> but, in general, we've talked a lot about the problem of updating events added by some(one|thing) else 
- [00:08:48] <hober> there are a lot of potential directions 
- [00:08:57] <hober> at one extreme, complete wikification 
- [00:09:00] <tantek> yep 
- [00:09:16] <tantek> i imagine wikis+microformats could simulate a lot of this 
- [00:09:25] <tantek> rather, wikis with microformats support 
- [00:10:18] <hober> so say you get an event E from source A 
- [00:10:28] <hober> then some user updates the event on our site 
- [00:10:37] <hober> then we fetch an updated version of the event from source A 
- [00:10:44] <kingryan> yeah, difficult 
- [00:11:03] <kingryan> you first need to be sure you parsed it right 
- [00:11:14] <hober> Clearly the no-user-updating-of-automatic-things is suboptimal 
- [00:11:14] <kingryan> then it a matter of interaction design 
- [00:11:28] <tantek> perhaps we need to convince the SD Forum folks to support microformats on THEIR pages 
- [00:11:33] <kingryan> this is a hard problem that requires some sensitive design work 
- [00:11:35] <tantek> maybe we can do that tonight :) 
- [00:11:50] <hober> kingryan: and we're working on it 
- [00:11:55] <kingryan> great 
- [00:11:57] <hober> :) 
- [00:12:07] <hober> I wish I had some actual running code to show for it though 
- [00:13:09] <hober> of course, if sdforum adopted hcalendar, that doesn't mean they'd actually include dtend :) 
- [00:13:25] <kingryan> true 
- [00:13:35] <hober> the quality problem can strike from any angle 
- [00:13:52] <tantek> hober, it would increase the likelihood though 
- [00:25:58] <mfbot> [[introduction]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=introduction&diff=0&oldid=4116 * Tantek * (+116) The Appeal to Simplicity - 
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- [00:35:29] <mfbot> [[press]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=press&diff=0&oldid=4117 * Tantek * (+137) Press - 
- [00:36:03] <tantek> Check this out: http://www.wikisym.org/wiki/index.php/WSR_3 
- [00:36:25] <tantek> "Our goal is to find a wiki interchange format (WIF) " 
- [00:36:33] <tantek> "We are currently looking into way to integrate wikis and semantic wikis. Currently we are in favor of a microformats-inspired XHTML approach." 
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- [00:45:53] <dmose> mmm wiki interchange would be spiffy 
- [00:50:35] <KevinMarks> yay 
- [00:58:12] <tantek> http://doc.weblogs.com/2006/01/10#techNotice 
- [00:58:17] <tantek> nice, Doc blogged the talk 
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- [03:32:53] <TantekC> Greetings folks 
- [03:33:43] <TantekC> Ryan, Kevin, Rohit are currently on stage at the SD Forum talk. 
- [03:36:53] <TantekC> Rohit gives the intro 
- [03:41:22] <KevinMarks> Ryan talking thourgh principles 
- [03:43:07] <KevinMarks> rel-tag 
- [03:46:39] <TantekC> Ryan demos hCalendar creator 
- [03:50:31] <TantekC> ... hCard 
- [03:50:44] <TantekC> ... rel-directory, rel-license, vote-links 
- [03:53:10] <TantekC> ...hReview 
- [04:07:21] <TantekC> audience request for a list of add-ons to tools to enable microformats 
- [04:07:26] <TantekC> like a list of templates 
- [04:07:28] <TantekC> or a list of plugins 
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- [04:10:37] <KevinMarks> a list per-tool 
- [04:10:38] <TantekC> In particular, for Dreamweaver 
- [04:10:44] <KevinMarks> we have lists per-format 
- [04:10:52] <TantekC> yes 
- [04:11:16] <TantekC> we need pages for each popular web authoring tool 
- [04:11:24] <TantekC> "how to trick out your Dreamweaver with microformats" 
- [04:17:12] <KevinMarks> wp2 strips class tags? http://www.friday.com/bbum/2006/01/10/marsedit-vs-php-dropping-class-from-posts/ 
- [04:27:47] <TantekC> Ernie discusses microformats-rest 
- [04:27:49] <TantekC> XOXO 
- [04:41:22] <TantekC> Rohit talks about �ngstr� 
- [04:49:50] <KevinMarks> CSS sanitzers? 
- [04:49:58] <KevinMarks> GoatCss 
- [05:18:16] <rawtext> may I ask a question? 
- [05:38:47] <rawtext> KevinMarks, wp2 doesn't strip class attributes by default, I've checked. I think he's saying that maredit plugin in conjunction with wp2, makes wp strips his generated (marsedit) post class's. 
- [05:39:15] <Frederic> Hello 
- [05:40:03] <rawtext> I'll wait to ask questions untill after the event. 
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- [16:49:41] <mfbot> [[rel-tag]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag&diff=0&oldid=4118 * MarkPilgrim * (-60) reverted Serginandr's spam 
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- [16:56:17] <mfbot> [[to-do]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do&diff=0&oldid=4119 * Tantek * (+107) 
- [16:56:36] <izo_> hello tantek 
- [16:57:13] <mfbot> [[rel-tag]]  http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag&diff=0&oldid=4120 * MarkPilgrim * (+420) fixed language about path segments, added note about query params and fragments 
- [16:59:19] <mfbot> [[rel-tag]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag&diff=0&oldid=4121 * MarkPilgrim * (-38) fixed link to RFC 3986, apparently MediaWiki autolinks RFCs 
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- [17:12:58] <markp> argh 
- [17:13:02] <markp> tantek: ping 
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- [18:45:12] <tantek> hello 
- [18:45:50] <tantek> hey markp 
- [18:45:53] <tantek> sorry to miss you earlier 
- [18:47:39] <dglazkov> http://weblog.infoworld.com/udell/2006/01/11.html 
- [18:54:18] <dglazkov> anybody seen newsvine? 
- [18:56:08] <trovster> Aye, not entirely sure what it is! 
- [18:56:15] <tantek> URL? 
- [18:56:29] <dglazkov> www.newsvine.com 
- [18:56:41] <dglazkov> if you need an invite, I have aplenty 
- [19:01:15] <mfbot> [[hcard]]  http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=4123 * 2sheds * (+173) New Examples - 
- [19:01:35] <dglazkov> I am not sure what to make of it yet, either. But it "feels" big 
- [19:05:01] <mfbot> [[hcard]]  http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=4124 * 2sheds * (+275) New Examples - 
- [19:05:48] <trovster> dglazkov: Yeh, big. As in I don't know where to start! 
- [19:06:44] <dglazkov> it's like diggs with blogs that looks like bbc 
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- [19:20:25] <RobertBachmann> Is http://www.extratasty.com/ suitable for recipe-examples? 
- [19:23:47] <dglazkov> I think it should be. I use http://allrecipes.com/ 
- [19:43:01] <tantek> Definitely add them with some analysis to http://microformats.org/wiki/recipe-examples 
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- [19:51:03] <mfbot> [[recipe-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=recipe-examples&diff=0&oldid=4125 * RobertBachmann * (+403) Recipes Examples -  Sachertorte 
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- [20:04:21] <mfbot> [[recipe-examples]]  http://microformats.org/wiki?title=recipe-examples&diff=0&oldid=4127 * RobertBachmann * (+272) Recipes Examples -  Cuba Libre 
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- [20:08:19] <RobertBachmann> Is recipe-examples not listed on the main page deliberately? 
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- [20:13:52] <tantek> robert, probably just an oversight 
- [20:16:47] <mfbot> [[Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=4128 * RobertBachmann * (+21) Exploratory discussions -  Added recipe-examples 
- [20:18:08] <mfbot> [[recipe-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=recipe-examples&diff=0&oldid=4129 * RobertBachmann * (+42) Contributors -  Added my name 
- [20:29:54] <mfbot> [[recipe-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=recipe-examples&diff=0&oldid=4130 * RobertBachmann * (+66) Next Steps - 
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- [21:24:45] <callahan> any ideas what this xmlns defining is all about in p's with the class value of "higlight" in FF1.5(and only 1.5)? 
- [21:25:58] <callahan> I have a sneaking suspicion it has to do with the xhtml1.1 dtd served with the correct mime-type by the browser. 
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- [23:22:30] <mfbot> [[hcard]]  http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=4131 * PhilWilson * (+97) query on exact error 
- [23:23:11] <mfbot> [[hcard]]  http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=4132 * PhilWilson * (+0) fix my own stupid typo :) 
- [23:23:32] <mfbot> [[User:PhilWilson]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:PhilWilson * PhilWilson * (+40) 
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