IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-01-11
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- [00:00:13] <kingryan>
awesome
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- [00:01:43] <kingryan>
I wish there was a way to edit events, hober
- [00:01:57] <kingryan>
like this one, http://eventful.com/events/E0-001-000524845-5, which lacks an end time
- [00:03:08] <hober>
An event's creator can edit it
- [00:04:39] <tantek>
but in this case the user is "evdb"
- [00:04:46] <kingryan>
yeah
- [00:05:04] <kingryan>
you should let people edit events that were added by your spider
- [00:05:05] <hober>
which means that the event was added to the system in some automated way
- [00:05:13] <kingryan>
(it'd be good feedback for your algorithms)
- [00:05:21] <tantek>
so how does one edit such automatically edited events?
- [00:05:23] <hober>
It wasn't added by a spider.
- [00:05:35] <hober>
ATM, one doesn't
- [00:05:41] <tantek>
or if editing is not possible, then how does one clone and make a better copy?
- [00:05:44] <hober>
but this is a known issue
- [00:05:53] <hober>
'create similar event' over on the right
- [00:05:57] <hober>
also, see 'report problem'
- [00:07:44] <hober>
OK, so the skinny from across the office is that we have some kind of crawling arrangement with sdforum; I'll prod the person who wrote that crawler to improve the end-time detection
- [00:08:07] <hober>
but, in general, we've talked a lot about the problem of updating events added by some(one|thing) else
- [00:08:48] <hober>
there are a lot of potential directions
- [00:08:57] <hober>
at one extreme, complete wikification
- [00:09:00] <tantek>
yep
- [00:09:16] <tantek>
i imagine wikis+microformats could simulate a lot of this
- [00:09:25] <tantek>
rather, wikis with microformats support
- [00:10:18] <hober>
so say you get an event E from source A
- [00:10:28] <hober>
then some user updates the event on our site
- [00:10:37] <hober>
then we fetch an updated version of the event from source A
- [00:10:44] <kingryan>
yeah, difficult
- [00:11:03] <kingryan>
you first need to be sure you parsed it right
- [00:11:14] <hober>
Clearly the no-user-updating-of-automatic-things is suboptimal
- [00:11:14] <kingryan>
then it a matter of interaction design
- [00:11:28] <tantek>
perhaps we need to convince the SD Forum folks to support microformats on THEIR pages
- [00:11:33] <kingryan>
this is a hard problem that requires some sensitive design work
- [00:11:35] <tantek>
maybe we can do that tonight :)
- [00:11:50] <hober>
kingryan: and we're working on it
- [00:11:55] <kingryan>
great
- [00:11:57] <hober>
:)
- [00:12:07] <hober>
I wish I had some actual running code to show for it though
- [00:13:09] <hober>
of course, if sdforum adopted hcalendar, that doesn't mean they'd actually include dtend :)
- [00:13:25] <kingryan>
true
- [00:13:35] <hober>
the quality problem can strike from any angle
- [00:13:52] <tantek>
hober, it would increase the likelihood though
- [00:25:58] <mfbot>
[[introduction]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=introduction&diff=0&oldid=4116 * Tantek * (+116) The Appeal to Simplicity -
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- [00:35:29] <mfbot>
[[press]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=press&diff=0&oldid=4117 * Tantek * (+137) Press -
- [00:36:03] <tantek>
Check this out: http://www.wikisym.org/wiki/index.php/WSR_3
- [00:36:25] <tantek>
"Our goal is to find a wiki interchange format (WIF) "
- [00:36:33] <tantek>
"We are currently looking into way to integrate wikis and semantic wikis. Currently we are in favor of a microformats-inspired XHTML approach."
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- [00:45:53] <dmose>
mmm wiki interchange would be spiffy
- [00:50:35] <KevinMarks>
yay
- [00:58:12] <tantek>
http://doc.weblogs.com/2006/01/10#techNotice
- [00:58:17] <tantek>
nice, Doc blogged the talk
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- [03:32:53] <TantekC>
Greetings folks
- [03:33:43] <TantekC>
Ryan, Kevin, Rohit are currently on stage at the SD Forum talk.
- [03:36:53] <TantekC>
Rohit gives the intro
- [03:41:22] <KevinMarks>
Ryan talking thourgh principles
- [03:43:07] <KevinMarks>
rel-tag
- [03:46:39] <TantekC>
Ryan demos hCalendar creator
- [03:50:31] <TantekC>
... hCard
- [03:50:44] <TantekC>
... rel-directory, rel-license, vote-links
- [03:53:10] <TantekC>
...hReview
- [04:07:21] <TantekC>
audience request for a list of add-ons to tools to enable microformats
- [04:07:26] <TantekC>
like a list of templates
- [04:07:28] <TantekC>
or a list of plugins
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- [04:10:37] <KevinMarks>
a list per-tool
- [04:10:38] <TantekC>
In particular, for Dreamweaver
- [04:10:44] <KevinMarks>
we have lists per-format
- [04:10:52] <TantekC>
yes
- [04:11:16] <TantekC>
we need pages for each popular web authoring tool
- [04:11:24] <TantekC>
"how to trick out your Dreamweaver with microformats"
- [04:17:12] <KevinMarks>
wp2 strips class tags? http://www.friday.com/bbum/2006/01/10/marsedit-vs-php-dropping-class-from-posts/
- [04:27:47] <TantekC>
Ernie discusses microformats-rest
- [04:27:49] <TantekC>
XOXO
- [04:41:22] <TantekC>
Rohit talks about �ngstr�
- [04:49:50] <KevinMarks>
CSS sanitzers?
- [04:49:58] <KevinMarks>
GoatCss
- [05:18:16] <rawtext>
may I ask a question?
- [05:38:47] <rawtext>
KevinMarks, wp2 doesn't strip class attributes by default, I've checked. I think he's saying that maredit plugin in conjunction with wp2, makes wp strips his generated (marsedit) post class's.
- [05:39:15] <Frederic>
Hello
- [05:40:03] <rawtext>
I'll wait to ask questions untill after the event.
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[[rel-tag]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag&diff=0&oldid=4118 * MarkPilgrim * (-60) reverted Serginandr's spam
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[[to-do]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do&diff=0&oldid=4119 * Tantek * (+107)
- [16:56:36] <izo_>
hello tantek
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[[rel-tag]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag&diff=0&oldid=4120 * MarkPilgrim * (+420) fixed language about path segments, added note about query params and fragments
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[[rel-tag]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag&diff=0&oldid=4121 * MarkPilgrim * (-38) fixed link to RFC 3986, apparently MediaWiki autolinks RFCs
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[[hatom-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-issues&diff=0&oldid=4122 * Singpolyma * (+702) Limitations -
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- [17:12:58] <markp>
argh
- [17:13:02] <markp>
tantek: ping
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- [18:45:12] <tantek>
hello
- [18:45:50] <tantek>
hey markp
- [18:45:53] <tantek>
sorry to miss you earlier
- [18:47:39] <dglazkov>
http://weblog.infoworld.com/udell/2006/01/11.html
- [18:54:18] <dglazkov>
anybody seen newsvine?
- [18:56:08] <trovster>
Aye, not entirely sure what it is!
- [18:56:15] <tantek>
URL?
- [18:56:29] <dglazkov>
www.newsvine.com
- [18:56:41] <dglazkov>
if you need an invite, I have aplenty
- [19:01:15] <mfbot>
[[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=4123 * 2sheds * (+173) New Examples -
- [19:01:35] <dglazkov>
I am not sure what to make of it yet, either. But it "feels" big
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[[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=4124 * 2sheds * (+275) New Examples -
- [19:05:48] <trovster>
dglazkov: Yeh, big. As in I don't know where to start!
- [19:06:44] <dglazkov>
it's like diggs with blogs that looks like bbc
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- [19:20:25] <RobertBachmann>
Is http://www.extratasty.com/ suitable for recipe-examples?
- [19:23:47] <dglazkov>
I think it should be. I use http://allrecipes.com/
- [19:43:01] <tantek>
Definitely add them with some analysis to http://microformats.org/wiki/recipe-examples
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[[recipe-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=recipe-examples&diff=0&oldid=4125 * RobertBachmann * (+403) Recipes Examples - Sachertorte
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[[hcard]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=4126 * Tantek * (+261) New Examples -
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[[recipe-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=recipe-examples&diff=0&oldid=4127 * RobertBachmann * (+272) Recipes Examples - Cuba Libre
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- [20:08:19] <RobertBachmann>
Is recipe-examples not listed on the main page deliberately?
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- [20:13:52] <tantek>
robert, probably just an oversight
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[[Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=4128 * RobertBachmann * (+21) Exploratory discussions - Added recipe-examples
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[[recipe-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=recipe-examples&diff=0&oldid=4129 * RobertBachmann * (+42) Contributors - Added my name
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[[recipe-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=recipe-examples&diff=0&oldid=4130 * RobertBachmann * (+66) Next Steps -
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- [21:24:45] <callahan>
any ideas what this xmlns defining is all about in p's with the class value of "higlight" in FF1.5(and only 1.5)?
- [21:25:58] <callahan>
I have a sneaking suspicion it has to do with the xhtml1.1 dtd served with the correct mime-type by the browser.
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[[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=4131 * PhilWilson * (+97) query on exact error
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[[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=4132 * PhilWilson * (+0) fix my own stupid typo :)
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[[User:PhilWilson]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:PhilWilson * PhilWilson * (+40)
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