IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-01-11

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  1. [00:00:13] <kingryan> awesome
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  3. [00:01:43] <kingryan> I wish there was a way to edit events, hober
  4. [00:01:57] <kingryan> like this one, http://eventful.com/events/E0-001-000524845-5, which lacks an end time
  5. [00:03:08] <hober> An event's creator can edit it
  6. [00:04:39] <tantek> but in this case the user is "evdb"
  7. [00:04:46] <kingryan> yeah
  8. [00:05:04] <kingryan> you should let people edit events that were added by your spider
  9. [00:05:05] <hober> which means that the event was added to the system in some automated way
  10. [00:05:13] <kingryan> (it'd be good feedback for your algorithms)
  11. [00:05:21] <tantek> so how does one edit such automatically edited events?
  12. [00:05:23] <hober> It wasn't added by a spider.
  13. [00:05:35] <hober> ATM, one doesn't
  14. [00:05:41] <tantek> or if editing is not possible, then how does one clone and make a better copy?
  15. [00:05:44] <hober> but this is a known issue
  16. [00:05:53] <hober> 'create similar event' over on the right
  17. [00:05:57] <hober> also, see 'report problem'
  18. [00:07:44] <hober> OK, so the skinny from across the office is that we have some kind of crawling arrangement with sdforum; I'll prod the person who wrote that crawler to improve the end-time detection
  19. [00:08:07] <hober> but, in general, we've talked a lot about the problem of updating events added by some(one|thing) else
  20. [00:08:48] <hober> there are a lot of potential directions
  21. [00:08:57] <hober> at one extreme, complete wikification
  22. [00:09:00] <tantek> yep
  23. [00:09:16] <tantek> i imagine wikis+microformats could simulate a lot of this
  24. [00:09:25] <tantek> rather, wikis with microformats support
  25. [00:10:18] <hober> so say you get an event E from source A
  26. [00:10:28] <hober> then some user updates the event on our site
  27. [00:10:37] <hober> then we fetch an updated version of the event from source A
  28. [00:10:44] <kingryan> yeah, difficult
  29. [00:11:03] <kingryan> you first need to be sure you parsed it right
  30. [00:11:14] <hober> Clearly the no-user-updating-of-automatic-things is suboptimal
  31. [00:11:14] <kingryan> then it a matter of interaction design
  32. [00:11:28] <tantek> perhaps we need to convince the SD Forum folks to support microformats on THEIR pages
  33. [00:11:33] <kingryan> this is a hard problem that requires some sensitive design work
  34. [00:11:35] <tantek> maybe we can do that tonight :)
  35. [00:11:50] <hober> kingryan: and we're working on it
  36. [00:11:55] <kingryan> great
  37. [00:11:57] <hober> :)
  38. [00:12:07] <hober> I wish I had some actual running code to show for it though
  39. [00:13:09] <hober> of course, if sdforum adopted hcalendar, that doesn't mean they'd actually include dtend :)
  40. [00:13:25] <kingryan> true
  41. [00:13:35] <hober> the quality problem can strike from any angle
  42. [00:13:52] <tantek> hober, it would increase the likelihood though
  43. [00:25:58] <mfbot> [[introduction]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=introduction&diff=0&oldid=4116 * Tantek * (+116) The Appeal to Simplicity -
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  45. [00:35:29] <mfbot> [[press]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=press&diff=0&oldid=4117 * Tantek * (+137) Press -
  46. [00:36:03] <tantek> Check this out: http://www.wikisym.org/wiki/index.php/WSR_3
  47. [00:36:25] <tantek> "Our goal is to find a wiki interchange format (WIF) "
  48. [00:36:33] <tantek> "We are currently looking into way to integrate wikis and semantic wikis. Currently we are in favor of a microformats-inspired XHTML approach."
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  50. [00:45:53] <dmose> mmm wiki interchange would be spiffy
  51. [00:50:35] <KevinMarks> yay
  52. [00:58:12] <tantek> http://doc.weblogs.com/2006/01/10#techNotice
  53. [00:58:17] <tantek> nice, Doc blogged the talk
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  70. [03:32:53] <TantekC> Greetings folks
  71. [03:33:43] <TantekC> Ryan, Kevin, Rohit are currently on stage at the SD Forum talk.
  72. [03:36:53] <TantekC> Rohit gives the intro
  73. [03:41:22] <KevinMarks> Ryan talking thourgh principles
  74. [03:43:07] <KevinMarks> rel-tag
  75. [03:46:39] <TantekC> Ryan demos hCalendar creator
  76. [03:50:31] <TantekC> ... hCard
  77. [03:50:44] <TantekC> ... rel-directory, rel-license, vote-links
  78. [03:53:10] <TantekC> ...hReview
  79. [04:07:21] <TantekC> audience request for a list of add-ons to tools to enable microformats
  80. [04:07:26] <TantekC> like a list of templates
  81. [04:07:28] <TantekC> or a list of plugins
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  83. [04:10:37] <KevinMarks> a list per-tool
  84. [04:10:38] <TantekC> In particular, for Dreamweaver
  85. [04:10:44] <KevinMarks> we have lists per-format
  86. [04:10:52] <TantekC> yes
  87. [04:11:16] <TantekC> we need pages for each popular web authoring tool
  88. [04:11:24] <TantekC> "how to trick out your Dreamweaver with microformats"
  89. [04:17:12] <KevinMarks> wp2 strips class tags? http://www.friday.com/bbum/2006/01/10/marsedit-vs-php-dropping-class-from-posts/
  90. [04:27:47] <TantekC> Ernie discusses microformats-rest
  91. [04:27:49] <TantekC> XOXO
  92. [04:41:22] <TantekC> Rohit talks about �ngstr�
  93. [04:49:50] <KevinMarks> CSS sanitzers?
  94. [04:49:58] <KevinMarks> GoatCss
  95. [05:18:16] <rawtext> may I ask a question?
  96. [05:38:47] <rawtext> KevinMarks, wp2 doesn't strip class attributes by default, I've checked. I think he's saying that maredit plugin in conjunction with wp2, makes wp strips his generated (marsedit) post class's.
  97. [05:39:15] <Frederic> Hello
  98. [05:40:03] <rawtext> I'll wait to ask questions untill after the event.
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  149. [16:49:41] <mfbot> [[rel-tag]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag&diff=0&oldid=4118 * MarkPilgrim * (-60) reverted Serginandr's spam
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  151. [16:56:17] <mfbot> [[to-do]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do&diff=0&oldid=4119 * Tantek * (+107)
  152. [16:56:36] <izo_> hello tantek
  153. [16:57:13] <mfbot> [[rel-tag]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag&diff=0&oldid=4120 * MarkPilgrim * (+420) fixed language about path segments, added note about query params and fragments
  154. [16:59:19] <mfbot> [[rel-tag]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag&diff=0&oldid=4121 * MarkPilgrim * (-38) fixed link to RFC 3986, apparently MediaWiki autolinks RFCs
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  156. [17:08:56] <mfbot> [[hatom-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-issues&diff=0&oldid=4122 * Singpolyma * (+702) Limitations -
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  158. [17:12:58] <markp> argh
  159. [17:13:02] <markp> tantek: ping
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  169. [18:45:12] <tantek> hello
  170. [18:45:50] <tantek> hey markp
  171. [18:45:53] <tantek> sorry to miss you earlier
  172. [18:47:39] <dglazkov> http://weblog.infoworld.com/udell/2006/01/11.html
  173. [18:54:18] <dglazkov> anybody seen newsvine?
  174. [18:56:08] <trovster> Aye, not entirely sure what it is!
  175. [18:56:15] <tantek> URL?
  176. [18:56:29] <dglazkov> www.newsvine.com
  177. [18:56:41] <dglazkov> if you need an invite, I have aplenty
  178. [19:01:15] <mfbot> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=4123 * 2sheds * (+173) New Examples -
  179. [19:01:35] <dglazkov> I am not sure what to make of it yet, either. But it "feels" big
  180. [19:05:01] <mfbot> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=4124 * 2sheds * (+275) New Examples -
  181. [19:05:48] <trovster> dglazkov: Yeh, big. As in I don't know where to start!
  182. [19:06:44] <dglazkov> it's like diggs with blogs that looks like bbc
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  184. [19:20:25] <RobertBachmann> Is http://www.extratasty.com/ suitable for recipe-examples?
  185. [19:23:47] <dglazkov> I think it should be. I use http://allrecipes.com/
  186. [19:43:01] <tantek> Definitely add them with some analysis to http://microformats.org/wiki/recipe-examples
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  188. [19:51:03] <mfbot> [[recipe-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=recipe-examples&diff=0&oldid=4125 * RobertBachmann * (+403) Recipes Examples - Sachertorte
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  190. [19:58:19] <mfbot> [[hcard]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=4126 * Tantek * (+261) New Examples -
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  192. [20:04:21] <mfbot> [[recipe-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=recipe-examples&diff=0&oldid=4127 * RobertBachmann * (+272) Recipes Examples - Cuba Libre
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  195. [20:08:19] <RobertBachmann> Is recipe-examples not listed on the main page deliberately?
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  197. [20:13:52] <tantek> robert, probably just an oversight
  198. [20:16:47] <mfbot> [[Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=4128 * RobertBachmann * (+21) Exploratory discussions - Added recipe-examples
  199. [20:18:08] <mfbot> [[recipe-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=recipe-examples&diff=0&oldid=4129 * RobertBachmann * (+42) Contributors - Added my name
  200. [20:29:54] <mfbot> [[recipe-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=recipe-examples&diff=0&oldid=4130 * RobertBachmann * (+66) Next Steps -
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  211. [21:24:45] <callahan> any ideas what this xmlns defining is all about in p's with the class value of "higlight" in FF1.5(and only 1.5)?
  212. [21:25:58] <callahan> I have a sneaking suspicion it has to do with the xhtml1.1 dtd served with the correct mime-type by the browser.
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  220. [23:22:30] <mfbot> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=4131 * PhilWilson * (+97) query on exact error
  221. [23:23:11] <mfbot> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=4132 * PhilWilson * (+0) fix my own stupid typo :)
  222. [23:23:32] <mfbot> [[User:PhilWilson]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:PhilWilson * PhilWilson * (+40)
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