IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-01-10
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- [00:02:36] <cgriego>
What I don't get is why vCal took off as a subscription format and vCard didn't.
- [00:03:13] <dmose>
by vCal do you mean ICS?
- [00:03:33] <dmose>
a.k.a. iCalendar
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- [00:17:37] <cgriego>
right
- [00:17:48] <KevinMarks>
well, addressbooks don't change so often
- [00:17:58] <KevinMarks>
vCard is an interchange format
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- [00:20:09] <cgriego>
so was vCal, I don't think an iCard is too crazy an idea
- [00:22:10] <cgriego>
"this is my new email addy, update your address books" is clumsy and is the kind of 'make my life easier' task that computers are supposed to be good at
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- [00:42:48] <kingryan>
cgriego, vcard could easily become subscription
- [00:43:12] <kingryan>
I know that with apple's address book, all you'd have to do is fetch the new vcards and tell addressbook to open them
- [00:43:21] <kingryan>
and it takes care of the merging of changes
- [00:50:39] <KevinMarks>
ryan, did you see my corrections to your proposal?
- [00:51:26] <t1m>
kingryan did see what I pointed out and hour ago in here?
- [00:51:58] <kingryan>
KevinMarks, I see them now
- [00:53:44] <kingryan>
got it, t1m
- [00:55:39] <kingryan>
k, another 'final draft' : http://theryanking.com/xtech.html
- [00:55:41] <kingryan>
:D
- [00:58:56] <t1m>
great, looks good, clearly explains the advantage of using microformats to control data :)
- [00:59:14] <kingryan>
good, I'm just hoping it'll get accepted
- [00:59:36] <kingryan>
I also hope to get more people people these basic ideas, so we can talk about more technical issues
- [01:00:00] <kingryan>
but I think this 'microformats 101' stuff is still necessary
- [01:03:36] <t1m>
no doubt, microformats are beginning to be widley recognized, though the concept behind them may not be understoon fully yet by everyone, just the fact that microformats are something to talk about.
- [01:03:54] <kingryan>
yes, t1m
- [01:03:55] <t1m>
widely*
- [01:04:14] <kingryan>
are you in europe, t1m?
- [01:04:35] <t1m>
Massachusetts, USA
- [01:04:47] <kingryan>
ah
- [01:04:49] <kingryan>
nevermind
- [01:06:18] <mfbot>
[[irc]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=irc&diff=0&oldid=4059 * RyanKing * (+31) People on irc -
- [01:14:23] <KevinMarks>
kingryan: still 'microformats attempt enable publishing'
- [01:14:33] <KevinMarks>
drop attempt
- [01:14:37] <kingryan>
whoops
- [01:15:26] <KevinMarks>
'more ad-hoc manner, which simpler specification' still there
- [01:16:34] <kingryan>
ah, that was supposed to be "with simpler specifications"
- [01:16:38] <kingryan>
does that make sense?
- [01:16:49] <KevinMarks>
yes
- [01:16:52] <kingryan>
ok
- [01:17:32] <kingryan>
thanks KevinMarks, t1m, _fil_ and others for feedback
- [01:18:29] <kingryan>
on, now, to writing a tutorial proposal
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- [02:24:32] <kingryan>
http://theryanking.com/xtech.html second section for tutorial proposal
- [02:35:01] <mfbot>
[[hreview]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview&diff=0&oldid=4060 * Tantek * (+155) Examples in the wild -
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- [05:40:13] <mfbot>
[[rest/datatypes]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest/datatypes&diff=0&oldid=4061 * MarkRickerby * (+3) Examples -
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[[adr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=adr&diff=0&oldid=4062 * Cgriego * (+1) Typo: feeback to feedback
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- [05:46:25] <jibot>
bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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- [06:01:45] <jibot>
kingryan is ryan king
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- [06:37:14] <Frederic>
hello
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[[rest/datatypes]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest/datatypes&diff=0&oldid=4063 * MarkRickerby * (+12) Examples -
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[[rest/datatypes]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest/datatypes&diff=0&oldid=4064 * MarkRickerby * (+3) Examples -
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[[rest/datatypes]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest/datatypes&diff=0&oldid=4065 * MarkRickerby * (+0)
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[[rel-tag-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag-issues&diff=0&oldid=4104 * Adam Willard * (+179) Issues -
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[[rel-tag-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag-issues&diff=0&oldid=4106 * Adam Willard * (+276) Issues -
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[[hatom-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-issues&diff=0&oldid=4108 * Atamido * (+478) Entry Title (atom:title) -
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[[rel-tag-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag-issues&diff=0&oldid=4109 * Adam Willard * (+281) Issues -
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[[hatom-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-issues&diff=0&oldid=4110 * Atamido * (+230) Entry Updated (atom:updated) -
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[[rel-tag-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag-issues&diff=0&oldid=4111 * Adam Willard * (+0) Issues -
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[[rest]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest&diff=0&oldid=4112 * DrErnie * (-7) Proposals -
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- [20:45:36] <BenjaminCarlyle>
Tantek: (from email) The reason I suggest that headline does not match up with atom's feed title is that you would never call "The New York Post" a headline. Headline is "a head of a newspaper story or article" (webster), rather than head of a newspaper serial or edition.
- [20:45:37] <BenjaminCarlyle>
I think the suggestion to defer the quesion is probably the right one.
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- [20:46:47] <BenjaminCarlyle>
Will the opacity question be aired again before 0.1?
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- [20:57:31] <BenjaminCarlyle>
Oh... also on the subject of last-modified-brainstorming: The current documentation for last-modified suggests it wants to take on the same role as atom:published and atom:updated generally for all microformats. My understading of our email exchanges is that you would be against it taking up that role. I think you want it to just describe the publication and update of a whole page, is that right?
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- [21:02:38] <KevinMarks>
http://wdirect.apple.com/ilife/ilife.js
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[[hatom-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-issues&diff=0&oldid=4113 * BenjaminCarlyle * (+63) Update votes
- [21:20:06] <RobertBachmann>
BenjaminCarlyle: "The current documentation for last-modified suggests it wants to take on the same role as atom:published and atom:updated generally for all microformats."
- [21:20:06] <RobertBachmann>
This is not my intention. Primary focus is on pages. If other microformats need updated/published the can re-use it.
- [21:23:10] <RobertBachmann>
they can re-use it*
- [21:28:51] <BenjaminCarlyle>
Ok... so do you think there is anything to add to for atom given the current brainstorming activity?
- [21:29:53] <BenjaminCarlyle>
If hAtom goes ahead as is I think "published" and "updated" will be the terms that end up making their way into last-modified, too.
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- [22:21:42] <tantek>
published and updated don't mean the same thing as last-modified
- [22:21:56] <tantek>
this is explained in my comments in hatom-issues in those sections
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[[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=4114 * RyanKing * (-6) Microformats Wiki -
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[[resume-formats]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=resume-formats&diff=0&oldid=4115 * Tantek * (+221) Resume Formats -
- [23:18:11] <rawtext>
tantek, do you think it would be smarter to write my resume in xml or xhtml? I understand that a web page can be a good source for the use of the information, but I'm thinking xml might be more usefull, rather a microformat would be even better. I could always learn how to style xml, which would be readable in all browsers, no (probably IE)?
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- [23:19:52] <tantek>
rawtext (nice name btw ;) ) - xhtml *is* xml, so by writing it in xhtml, you would be writing it in xml
- [23:20:26] <rawtext>
oh yeah, this is t1m btw, thanks ;)
- [23:20:38] <tantek>
if you mean, "should I make up my own xml elements and use those to publish my resume", the answer is no, you shouldn't, and Tim Bray just wrote a good post about that.
- [23:21:30] <rawtext>
reading that now.
- [23:22:07] <kingryan>
?learn rawtext is t1m
- [23:22:20] <kingryan>
ah, we lost jibot
- [23:22:38] <rawtext>
hmm, I'll set it to rawtext is Tim Callahan later.
- [23:25:24] <tantek>
for reference, Tim Bray's post: http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2006/01/08/No-New-XML-Languages
- [23:26:25] <rawtext>
oh ok, just finished reading his resume entry, was going to search for the xml one next, thanks.
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- [23:54:18] <kingryan>
hey, hober
- [23:57:42] <hober>
yo
- [23:57:59] <hober>
mf fix for event detail page is on the staging box, so it'll be pushed out when stuff next gets pushed out
- [23:58:13] <kingryan>
:D
- [23:58:17] <kingryan>
I was gonna demo that tonight
- [23:58:22] <hober>
oh ok
- [23:58:23] <kingryan>
will it be pushed out today?
- [23:58:28] <hober>
let me push that now then :)
- [23:58:33] <kingryan>
great
- [23:58:36] <hober>
hold on a sec
- [23:59:46] <hober>
there
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- [23:59:56] <hober>
test it out and yell if it has any issues
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