IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-01-31

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  1. [00:00:30] * _psychic_ (n=john@71.32.228.156) Quit ()
  2. [00:02:39] <Atamido> Did anyone else like the email about hReview that just went through?
  3. [00:04:06] <kingryan> fwiw, I've got an outline of an hResume strawman up -> http://microformats.org/wiki/resume-brainstorming#Strawman_Outline
  4. [00:05:33] <mfbot> [[resume-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=resume-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=4581 * RyanKing * (+114) affiliations -
  5. [00:06:01] <kingryan> hey limbo_
  6. [00:06:28] <kingryan> it looks like most of http://microformats.org/wiki/distributed-conversation-examples should actually be on http://microformats.org/wiki/distributed-conversation-formats
  7. [00:11:24] <limbo_> err... ok
  8. [00:11:37] <limbo_> which part?
  9. [00:11:57] <kingryan> all the parts about non-html stuff
  10. [00:12:04] <kingryan> mime, rdf, xml
  11. [00:12:14] <kingryan> so, 1.2 and 1.3
  12. [00:12:20] <limbo_> k
  13. [00:13:17] <kingryan> thanks
  14. [00:13:44] <mfbot> [[distributed-conversation-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=distributed-conversation-examples&diff=0&oldid=4582 * EranGloben * (-7003)
  15. [00:13:50] <hober> the outline sounds a lot like how I ended up marking up my resume
  16. [00:14:10] <mfbot> [[resume-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=resume-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=4583 * RyanKing * (-1) left off for now = -
  17. [00:14:36] <mfbot> [[distributed-conversation-formats]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/distributed-conversation-formats * EranGloben * (+7039) moved from examples page.
  18. [00:16:27] <mfbot> [[distributed-conversation-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=distributed-conversation-examples&diff=0&oldid=4584 * EranGloben * (+53) linked to formats page.
  19. [00:16:28] <limbo_> like so?
  20. [00:16:53] <mfbot> [[distributed-conversation-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=distributed-conversation-examples&diff=0&oldid=4585 * EranGloben * (+1) Distributed Conversation -
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  22. [00:22:01] <jibot> bkdelong is B.K. DeLong, Head Research Analyst for HALO Worldwide - http://www.haloworldwide.com. Web: http://www.brain-stream.com. Email: bkdelong@pobox.com and lives in Salem, MA, USA (-5:00 GMT)
  23. [00:24:38] <kingryan> looks good, limbo_
  24. [00:24:49] <mfbot> [[specific-problems]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/specific-problems * RyanKing * (+164)
  25. [00:25:10] <mfbot> [[start-simple]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/start-simple * RyanKing * (+159)
  26. [00:25:21] <mfbot> [[humans-first]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/humans-first * RyanKing * (+159)
  27. [00:25:47] <mfbot> [[reuse]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/reuse * RyanKing * (+152)
  28. [00:26:13] <mfbot> [[modularity]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/modularity * RyanKing * (+157)
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  30. [00:26:59] <mfbot> [[decentralization]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/decentralization * RyanKing * (+163)
  31. [00:28:00] <mfbot> [[distributed-conversation]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/distributed-conversation * EranGloben * (+415) created distributed conversation overview page.
  32. [00:29:54] <tantek> has anyone heard of ReviewZilla before?
  33. [00:30:07] * tantek notes another tool that publishes hReview: http://brain.lionsden.com/?p=229
  34. [00:30:11] <mfbot> [[Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=4586 * EranGloben * (+151) added distributed discussion to Exploratory discussions
  35. [00:30:32] <mfbot> [[distributed-conversation-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=distributed-conversation-examples&diff=0&oldid=4587 * EranGloben * (+8) title edit
  36. [00:31:26] <limbo_> ok, so i now have distributed conversation linked from the wiki homepage.
  37. [00:35:26] <limbo_> i'll put up a summary of 3 possible routes i see
  38. [00:35:36] <limbo_> should that go in brainstorming or in the overview page?
  39. [00:37:11] <tantek> probably brainstorming
  40. [00:37:18] <limbo_> ok
  41. [00:42:14] <mfbot> [[hreview]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview&diff=0&oldid=4588 * Tantek * (+157) Implementations -
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  47. [01:16:31] <mfbot> [[distributed-conversation-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=distributed-conversation-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=4589 * EranGloben * (+2499) trying to move forward
  48. [01:17:01] <limbo_> please see http://microformats.org/wiki/distributed-conversation-brainstorming#Moving_Forward if interested.
  49. [01:19:07] <mfbot> [[distributed-conversation-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=distributed-conversation-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=4590 * EranGloben * (+2) fixed link
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  62. [05:13:51] <cks> has anyone ever looked into a microformat that could apply to irc logs? (googling for "microformat irc" get you pages of actual irc logs) specifically, i'd like to be able to automatically correlate logs with other events (like video) just kind of brainstorming options...
  63. [05:22:09] <cks> never mind
  64. [05:22:22] <cks> chat-examples, blech, sorry
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  67. [05:51:54] <Frederic> Hello
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  70. [06:04:16] <mfbot> [[chat-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=chat-examples&diff=0&oldid=4591 * ChristopherStJohn * (+738)
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  90. [09:06:31] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and runs www.csslounge.co.uk
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  103. [12:50:29] <jibot> karlUshi is karlcow
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  105. [12:54:17] <jibot> bluesmoon is Philip from India & writes often on livejournal & sometimes about tech stuff on http://bluesmoon.blogspot.com & restaurants on http://bluesviews.blogspot.com & local food secrets on http://bluesfood.blogspot.com
  106. [12:54:32] <bluesmoon> hello
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  108. [12:55:45] <bluesmoon> is there anybody out there?
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  114. [14:19:17] <jibot> dglazkov is Dimitri Glazkov (http://glazkov.com) and lives in Birmingham, AL, USA (-6:00 GMT)
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  116. [15:09:32] <bluesmoon> hello
  117. [15:13:09] <bluesmoon> I've written some javascript to convert a geo microformat to a google map: http://bluesmoon.blogspot.com/2006/01/of-microformats-and-geocoding.html
  118. [15:18:21] <dglazkov> that's pretty cool!
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  120. [15:23:46] <bluesmoon> thanks
  121. [15:24:02] <bluesmoon> i'd seen someone's yahoo maps implementation on the microformats wiki
  122. [15:24:05] <dglazkov> just need to change the code on the review pages now :)
  123. [15:24:24] <bluesmoon> change?
  124. [15:25:11] <bluesmoon> i'm not sure i understand
  125. [15:25:23] <dglazkov> it's in the "old style", not the geo mf
  126. [15:25:59] <bluesmoon> that's for one review
  127. [15:26:04] <bluesmoon> the others use the geo mf
  128. [15:26:14] <bluesmoon> i wanted to keep both of them there to contrast
  129. [15:26:27] <bluesmoon> Pho Nam is old style, Café Lombard and Back Forty are new style
  130. [15:26:36] <dglazkov> ah. makes sense
  131. [15:27:27] <bluesmoon> could make it a greasemonkey script
  132. [15:27:33] <bluesmoon> to insert into anyone's page
  133. [15:45:49] <Delistick`> anyone here doing anything attention.xml based
  134. [15:45:50] <Delistick`> ?
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  138. [16:02:55] <jibot> bkdelong is B.K. DeLong, Head Research Analyst for HALO Worldwide - http://www.haloworldwide.com. Web: http://www.brain-stream.com. Email: bkdelong@pobox.com and lives in Salem, MA, USA (-5:00 GMT)
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  146. [16:40:09] <jibot> RobertBachmann is Robert Bachmann <http://rbach.priv.at/> and lives in Austria (Timezone: 01:00)
  147. [16:50:50] <mfbot> [[faq]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=faq&diff=0&oldid=4593 * Ant * (+2) changed logic to logical
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  156. [17:20:27] <jibot> hober is Edward O'Connor and works for EVDB on http://eventful.com/ and lives in San Diego, CA (-08:00)
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  170. [18:55:10] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and runs www.csslounge.co.uk
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  189. [19:40:29] <cks_> so, using chatzilla for just a minute so i can extract the logs. assuming it will save them for me.
  190. [19:42:47] <Atamido> Chatzilla logs don't contain the HTML.
  191. [19:43:16] <cks_> is it using html behind the scenes for output? suppose i could look at the source and figure it out
  192. [19:43:57] <Atamido> Here are some examples. http://www.hacksrus.com/~ginda/chatzilla/motifs.html
  193. [19:44:14] <Atamido> I /think/ that this is what it uses internally.
  194. [19:44:27] <Atamido> It is pretty old though, so it may have changed some.
  195. [19:44:53] <cks_> i can research a bit. although does it count as "html in the wild" when the html is really just an internal markup format for an application?
  196. [19:45:03] <Atamido> If you want more information, you can ask here: ircs://moznet/chatzilla
  197. [19:45:06] <cks_> grist for the mill i suppose
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  199. [19:46:31] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and runs www.csslounge.co.uk
  200. [19:49:39] <cks_> file -> save view as, sure enough. heh.
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  203. [19:55:49] <Atamido> cks_: Chatzilla has been around for a while, so I think it probably has a class name for every possible case.
  204. [19:56:01] <cks_> looks like it
  205. [19:56:28] <cks_> so, a base example for the page, plus a rundown of the possibilities
  206. [19:59:56] <TantekC> please distinguish examples *on the web* and non-web examples
  207. [20:00:22] <TantekC> examples *on the web* (i.e. with public URLs) will be given much greater weight than those hidden in private filesystems etc.
  208. [20:00:54] <cks_> TantekC : ok, public URLs as the test is easy
  209. [20:01:23] <TantekC> not to discourage documenting of non-web examples, just understand that they will be considered in their proper context
  210. [20:01:42] <cks_> so, assuming people actually publish the chatzilla logs, it counts, otherwise mark as non-public
  211. [20:01:50] <TantekC> non-web
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  213. [20:02:13] <cks_> blech, yes, non-web
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  216. [20:06:08] * Atamido has several hundred megabytes of chat logs published on the web. :P
  217. [20:06:10] <Atamido> http://stupidpeople.commo.de/
  218. [20:09:40] <cks> atamido: but they're all in text format? no chatzilla save-as's stuck in there someplace? you were working on the examples page previously, so i'm guessting the formats you use are already there?
  219. [20:11:05] <Atamido> There are some MSN XML chat logs in there too, but none for Chatzilla in that particular location.
  220. [20:12:01] <Atamido> I'm trying to figure out a way to search for Chatzilla chat logs...
  221. [20:13:44] <Atamido> lol http://rbach.priv.at/Microformats-IRC/2005-12-29
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  223. [20:16:31] <cks> yeah, i ran into that earlier. stuff like "microformats irc" doesn't return a lot of useful restuls
  224. [20:16:33] <cks> results
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  227. [20:23:26] <mfbot> [[chat-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=chat-examples&diff=0&oldid=4597 * ChristopherStJohn * (+45)
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  253. [22:02:09] <Delistick`> anyone here doing anything attention.xml based??
  254. [22:02:30] <kingryan> eh, I know there's some recent research on it, to make it more microformat-y
  255. [22:02:58] <Delistick`> explain microformat-y please?
  256. [22:04:20] <KevinMarks> less complicated
  257. [22:06:18] <Delistick`> less complicated is good
  258. [22:06:45] <factoryjoe> Delistick`: what're you looking for?
  259. [22:11:41] <KevinMarks> what we found in the last conversationw as that the hierarchic stuff was less than useful
  260. [22:12:42] <KevinMarks> as attention events are a stream
  261. [22:12:42] <Delistick`> hey factoryjoe
  262. [22:12:54] <Delistick`> well I made a basic attention clickstream for RSS feeds
  263. [22:12:55] <factoryjoe> hey
  264. [22:13:01] <KevinMarks> http://microformats.org/wiki/attention-brainstorming
  265. [22:13:17] <Delistick`> I time users on how much time they spend reading each RSS feed and the number of times they click it
  266. [22:13:33] <Delistick`> I them sum up all the stats and post it as one meta-attention clickstream
  267. [22:13:33] <factoryjoe> using what?
  268. [22:13:46] <Delistick`> I made it
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  270. [22:14:56] <factoryjoe> made what?
  271. [22:16:38] <Delistick`> I made a news aggregator, a user registration system -- users login, subscribe to their feeds - attention data collected -- it's an applied attention data tool, much like last.fm
  272. [22:16:43] <Delistick`> but for rss feeds instead of music
  273. [22:18:05] <factoryjoe> ah
  274. [22:18:11] <factoryjoe> do you publish the data anywhere?
  275. [22:18:15] <Delistick`> can someone ping me? am I lagged?
  276. [22:18:17] <factoryjoe> and if you don't mind me asking, who are you?
  277. [22:18:27] <Delistick`> yeah but for the past 30 minutes my web connection has died..
  278. [22:18:43] <Delistick`> a guy from Canada who codes on his spare time for s&g
  279. [22:20:28] <Delistick`> sorry guys I think I am seriously lagged for some reason
  280. [22:24:20] <factoryjoe> hrm
  281. [22:25:36] <mfbot> [[citations in the wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citations_in_the_wild&diff=0&oldid=4598 * Tim White * (+86)
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  286. [22:48:19] <Delistick`> factoryjoe, you still here?
  287. [22:48:49] <factoryjoe> ah, need to run out for an hour
  288. [22:48:54] <factoryjoe> bbiab
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  298. [23:46:21] <KevinMarks> http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=146647
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