IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-02-01
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bkdelong is B.K. DeLong, Head Research Analyst for HALO Worldwide - http://www.haloworldwide.com. Web: http://www.brain-stream.com. Email: bkdelong@pobox.com and lives in Salem, MA, USA (-5:00 GMT)
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[[plain-xml]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/plain-xml * Tantek * (+510)
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[[introduction]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=introduction&diff=0&oldid=4599 * Tantek * (-197) moved "plain XML" links/discussion to a new page and added more
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[[hash-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hash-examples&diff=0&oldid=4600 * Ant * (+215) Proposal - add example from Charles Iliya Krempeaux
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Enric is a media Software Developer and Videoblogger located at http://www.cirne.com
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- [04:23:31] <cks>
this is a little frustrating, and i might be missing something really obvious, but i don't see a good way to find out if chatzilla logs are "in the wild"
- [04:23:46] <cks>
is there any way to search for markup?
- [04:27:20] <Atamido>
cks: That is what I was looking for, but I was unable to find anything.
- [04:27:58] <Atamido>
Searching for the class names directly returned only guides to styling, so if there are any logs online, they are being served as HTML.
- [04:31:37] <cks>
the chatzilla format is interesting, in that it made me realize i hadn't thought things through as much as they had. not sure if it's actually appropriate, but boy there's a lot of markup in there :-)
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mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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[[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=4601 * Dave Cardwell * (+96) New Examples -
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[[chat-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=chat-examples&diff=0&oldid=4602 * ChristopherStJohn * (+1975) ChatZilla IRC client presentation layer format
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[[chat-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=chat-examples&diff=0&oldid=4603 * ChristopherStJohn * (-2)
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blake is allegedly human. Blake, also known as Cortland M. Setlow, studies at swarthmore.edu and enjoys building things, exploring buildings, and physics. He currently sleeps during the day.
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Atamido is Paul Bryson, http://orangeman.commo.de/
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?
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[[chat-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=chat-examples&diff=0&oldid=4604 * ChristopherStJohn * (+57) Authors -
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kingryan is ryan king
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[[irc]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=irc&diff=0&oldid=4605 * ChristopherStJohn * (+41) People on irc -
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[[hash-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hash-examples&diff=0&oldid=4606 * Ant * (-4) Proposal - change checksum to hash
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and runs www.csslounge.co.uk
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bluesmoon is Philip from India & writes often on livejournal & sometimes about tech stuff on http://bluesmoon.blogspot.com & restaurants on http://bluesviews.blogspot.com & local food secrets on http://bluesfood.blogspot.com
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[[citation-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-formats&diff=0&oldid=4607 * Yewtree * (+1241)
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[[citation-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-formats&diff=0&oldid=4608 * Yewtree * (+3) University of Bath reference type -
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- [12:20:28] <trovster>
Who had the star-rating with radio buttons?
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bkdelong is B.K. DeLong, Head Research Analyst for HALO Worldwide - http://www.haloworldwide.com. Web: http://www.brain-stream.com. Email: bkdelong@pobox.com and lives in Salem, MA, USA (-5:00 GMT)
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[[hreview]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview&diff=0&oldid=4609 * CaptainHook * (+128) Examples in the wild -
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mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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RobertBachmann is Robert Bachmann <http://rbach.priv.at/> and lives in Austria (Timezone: 01:00)
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[[plain-xml]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=plain-xml&diff=0&oldid=4610 * Tantek * (+125) Plain XML -
- [16:47:37] <pnhChris>
can someone tell me the current status if any of any FAQ format discussions? is there an ongoing discussion
- [16:49:38] <bewest|work>
wouldn't a faq be a simple definition list?
- [16:49:51] <bewest|work>
faq's fit a key:value pattern
- [16:52:01] <bkdelong>
Yeah....at the moment it's just XOXO
- [16:52:25] <bkdelong>
When I get off my butt, I'll try to markup and post some examples to the wiki and we can see if there's anything missing.
- [16:59:05] <bluesmoon>
can anyone get a login on the twiki or is it restricted?
- [16:59:32] <bluesmoon>
*wiki
- [16:59:44] <bewest|work>
bluesmoon: iirc, anyone can, but your user name has to be a WikiWord
- [17:00:22] <bluesmoon>
okay
- [17:00:45] <bluesmoon>
so bluesmoon isn't, but BluesMoon would be. is that correct?
- [17:01:02] <RobertBachmann>
yes
- [17:02:22] <trovster>
Yeh, what's that about... why do I have to change my username?
- [17:02:28] <bluesmoon>
is it appropriate for anyone to add content?
- [17:03:02] <RobertBachmann>
bluesmoon: yes
- [17:03:12] <bluesmoon>
okay, thanks
- [17:03:18] <RobertBachmann>
trovster: already have a login?
- [17:06:16] <RobertBachmann>
bluesmoon: We ask you to include your full real name (and perhaps email or website address) on your user page
- [17:08:50] <bluesmoon>
saw that RobertBachmann, I intend to.
- [17:14:10] <trovster>
RobertBachmann: Yes, I do after I changed my main username.
- [17:16:20] <RobertBachmann>
your main username for the wiki?
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[[geo]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo&diff=0&oldid=4611 * BluesMoon * (+214) Add note about javascript to convert geo to google map
- [17:18:35] <pnhChris>
bkdelong: thanks.. .i figured it was jsut wrapped up in something else, but couldn't track down any specifics in the wiki or the pack of list messages i've saved
- [17:18:59] <pnhChris>
this made me think of it though: http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/toggle_elements.asp
- [17:23:01] <trovster>
RobertBachmann: No, my username I use on all my logins for webstes.
- [17:24:37] <RobertBachmann>
trovster: I see. AFAIK this CamelCase thing is here to prevent spamming.
- [17:24:58] <trovster>
Well, I didn't think it was even CamelCase, just starts with a capital.
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[[adr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=adr&diff=0&oldid=4612 * RobertBachmann * (+35) See also -
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hober is Edward O'Connor and works for EVDB on http://eventful.com/ and lives in San Diego, CA (-08:00)
- [17:34:53] <RobertBachmann>
hatom-issues realy needs some clean up... howver not sure how this should be done. Thoughts anyone?
- [17:35:08] <bkdelong>
You mean the page? or the concept?
- [17:35:29] <RobertBachmann>
the page
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actually I wished for perma link support ;-)
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mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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Enric is a media Software Developer and Videoblogger located at http://www.cirne.com
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[[hcard]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=4613 * Tantek * (+76) New Examples -
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kingryan is ryan king
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and runs www.csslounge.co.uk
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[[hatom-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-issues&diff=0&oldid=4614 * RyanKing * (-74) merged the two discussions around atom:feed
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[[hatom-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-issues&diff=0&oldid=4615 * RyanKing * (+42) cleaning up some formatting
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[[hatom-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-issues&diff=0&oldid=4616 * RyanKing * (-194) Purpose -
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[[hatom-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-issues&diff=0&oldid=4617 * RyanKing * (-1057) more format fixing
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[[hatom-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-issues&diff=0&oldid=4618 * RyanKing * (+81) merging the discussions about atom:entry
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[[hcalendar-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-issues&diff=0&oldid=4619 * RyanKing * (+165) Issues - added issue about atom vs. vjournal clash
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[[hatom-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-issues&diff=0&oldid=4620 * RyanKing * (-414) meged the discussion about entry titles
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[[hatom-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-issues&diff=0&oldid=4621 * RyanKing * (-159) merged summary discussions
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[[hatom-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-issues&diff=0&oldid=4622 * RyanKing * (+41) merging permalink discussion
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RobertBachmann is Robert Bachmann <http://rbach.priv.at/> and lives in Austria (Timezone: 01:00)
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[[hatom-faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-faq&diff=0&oldid=4623 * RyanKing * (-149) removing non-faq question
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[[hatom-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-issues&diff=0&oldid=4624 * RyanKing * (-917) a bunch of cleanup
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- [20:12:24] <qid>
uh. anyone just see the "hReview for Stocks" message on the list?
- [20:13:08] <qid>
not to put too fine a point on it, but I think someone needs to wield the cluestick on this one.
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[[hreview-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-issues&diff=0&oldid=4625 * Tantek * (+308) only one item per hreview - duh
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[[hatom-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-issues&diff=0&oldid=4626 * RyanKing * (-53) merged the discussion on published and updated
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[[hatom-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-issues&diff=0&oldid=4627 * RyanKing * (+0) Dependancies - fixed typo
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[[hatom-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-issues&diff=0&oldid=4628 * RyanKing * (-129) Nomenclature - cleaning up my own mess
- [20:25:45] <kingryan>
qid: what kind of cluestick wielding to we need?
- [20:26:40] <RobertBachmann>
kingryan: Tantek already posted a verbose reply
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[[hatom-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-issues&diff=0&oldid=4629 * RyanKing * (-107) Dependencies -
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[[hatom-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-issues&diff=0&oldid=4630 * RyanKing * (-1622) Limitations - summarized some discussion. Use the list for discussion!
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[[hatom-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-issues&diff=0&oldid=4631 * RyanKing * (-131) Comparisons - cleaned up some conversation
- [20:39:13] * Atamido thinks he will post about the range being used on one of the hReview pages when he gets a chance.
- [20:39:46] <kingryan>
atamido, wha?
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- [20:44:33] <Atamido>
kingryan: The default range being 1-5.
- [20:44:48] <kingryan>
what do you want to say about it?
- [20:44:59] <kingryan>
that hasn't already been captured on hreview-issues ?
- [20:45:32] <kingryan>
whoops, we don't actually have it documented on hreview-issues
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[[hreview-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-issues&diff=0&oldid=4632 * RyanKing * (+12) rel="self" -
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[[hreview-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-issues&diff=0&oldid=4633 * RyanKing * (+0)
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- [20:47:57] <Atamido>
:P
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- [20:54:33] <TantekC>
kingryan, atamido, what?
- [20:54:42] <TantekC>
it's been on hreview-issues for a while
- [20:54:51] <TantekC>
http://microformats.org/wiki/hreview-issues#default_lower_bound
- [20:55:01] <TantekC>
it's been *documented* that is
- [20:56:30] <Atamido>
TantekC: The lower bound, labelling the lower bound, the upper bound, the use of integers, etc.
- [20:59:46] <qid>
isn't there also a big extensive thread on that?
- [21:00:50] <TantekC>
Atamido, to be precise, the "worst" of a range, the "best" of a range are better terms to use than "lower bound" or "upper bound", because lower/upper imply that higher is better which is not true across ratings in an international context
- [21:00:55] <TantekC>
this is a common mistake in review formats
- [21:01:09] <TantekC>
which use min and max typically
- [21:01:58] <TantekC>
As far as integers, there's already been a consensus to allow one decimal digit of precision in hReview 0.3, per feedback and more analysis of more examples.
- [21:02:15] <TantekC>
there are no other open issues regarding ratings in hReview AFAIK
- [21:03:00] <TantekC>
qid, there was a big long thread about it where people brought up various new examples as a point of argument, but AFAIK, no one bothered documenting them on review-examples, so there is nothing to act on
- [21:03:03] <qid>
actually, I think there have been several threads on the issue of ratings... most recently, sfam@cyberpunkreview.com seems to have done a fairly thorough study of what rating methods are preferred
- [21:03:50] <TantekC>
not thorough at all. sfam appeared to complete ignore the research on the wiki, and then proceeded to not contribute to it.
- [21:05:01] <qid>
thorough as in he seems to have talked to a bunch of people and gotten their preferences, then drawn some conclusions based on the responses
- [21:05:37] <TantekC>
ah, he made that mistake ok
- [21:05:45] <qid>
when viewed in the context of messages like "here's a new microformat I just invented!", it's pretty thorough
- [21:06:09] <TantekC>
talking to people and *asking* them for their preferences will give you very different (and worse / less accurate) answers than actually researching what people actually *do*
- [21:06:36] <TantekC>
that's a common methdological mistake in this kind of research, and i'm trying to figure out where to document it on the wiki.
- [21:07:16] <qid>
well, it's not clear whether people use these rating schemes because they prefer them
- [21:09:14] <qid>
I agree that a purely hypothetical exercise isn't good enough, but I got the impression that the respondants were reviewers who actually used their chosen format, or possibly several of the formats in different places
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- [21:10:43] <qid>
I'm also not sure how much of this actually matters; whether being able to specify the range actually enables anything
- [21:13:29] <qid>
being able to take a set of reviews and normalize the ratings to a common scale would allow the calculation of an average rating; of course, there is also some confusion/debate over using hReview for aggregates like that
- [21:13:40] <cks>
was there originally intended to be more text on the chat-examples page about the "why" of it? looks like it's been cut off..
- [21:14:35] <qid>
hmm... yeah, the first sentence looks cut off
- [21:15:13] <TantekC>
ok, I will add more detail on methodology to the "examples" page
- [21:16:17] <qid>
cks: it's cut off in every version, so I guess whoever wrote it originally never got around to finishing their though
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- [21:16:20] <qid>
thought*
- [21:16:30] <TantekC>
heh
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- [21:20:54] <bluesmoon>
I've update my geo microformat to google maps to support yahoo maps as well
- [21:21:11] <bluesmoon>
http://bluesmoon.blogspot.com/
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[[examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=examples&diff=0&oldid=4634 * Tantek * (+1670) details of Current Human Behavior on the Web
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[[examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=examples&diff=0&oldid=4635 * Tantek * (-18)
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- [21:25:37] <TantekC>
ok, there we go. qid take a look at http://microformats.org/wiki/examples#Current_Human_Behavior_on_the_Web
- [21:26:48] <TantekC>
qid, also, the assumption that you can simply take scales and normalize them to compute cross-rating-scale aggregates is flawed in a number of ways.
- [21:27:08] <TantekC>
in general, people treat numbers differently
- [21:27:19] <Atamido>
TantekC: Yes, I said I wanted to add to the hReview pages, including adding examples.
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- [21:27:51] <TantekC>
people treat a 1,2,3,4,5 very differently on a 1-5 scale than they treat 2,4,6,8,10 on a 1-10 scale.
- [21:28:46] <TantekC>
there is obviously a lot of correspondence, but there are differences due to people's different psychological perception of different numbers
- [21:28:58] <TantekC>
and different ranges
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- [21:30:15] <qid>
TantekC: indeed, which is why I'm wondering how much time it's worth spending on the hReview rating, if it isn't always possible to really do anything with it programmatically
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- [21:31:46] <Atamido>
qid: Nice word, "programmatically".
- [21:32:04] <qid>
I'm not sure if I spelled it right
- [21:32:22] <Atamido>
I just like it.
- [21:34:32] <qid>
TantekC: "outweight" -> "outweigh"
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- [21:36:31] <qid>
personally, I think that the microformats process is quite well-documented, but isn't emphasized enough over the microformats... formats...
- [21:37:52] <qid>
many people seem to come into the community with knowledge of the formats, but not of the process used to create the formats, and thus the mailing list regularly receives messages from people just proposing new formats out of the blue
- [21:39:41] <qid>
unfortunately the very name "microformats" is problematic, in that it doesn't sound like anything to do with a process
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[[hatom-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-issues&diff=0&oldid=4636 * RyanKing * (-131) Nomenclature -
- [21:41:12] <edsu>
is anyone famililar with wowbar and what it is?
- [21:41:38] <edsu>
oh hold on i found: http://www.commerce.net/wiki/Wowbar_notes
- [21:42:03] <qid>
I think a specific, separate name for the "microformats process" would both ease communication (don't have to use the compound term "microformats process") and clarify the whole microformats "movement"
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[[hatom-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-issues&diff=0&oldid=4637 * RyanKing * (+11) hCards -
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- [21:47:33] <cks>
speaking of process, given the fragmentary nature of the "why" section on chats examples, it might be worth a loop back. i assume the thing to do is float some suggestions on the mailing list, then update the wiki as thoughts converge?
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- [21:49:29] * Atamido is more interested in creating thing than in why they are being created. :P
- [21:49:48] <Atamido>
cks: You saw my MSN examples, no?
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- [21:57:25] <cks>
atamindo: just looking at them now
- [21:57:49] <cks>
shall i extract and post? or did you want to do that?
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blake is allegedly human. Blake, also known as Cortland M. Setlow, studies at swarthmore.edu and enjoys building things, exploring buildings, and physics. He currently sleeps during the day.
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[[chat-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=chat-examples&diff=0&oldid=4638 * ChristopherStJohn * (+1823) MSN Messenger XML format log example
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[[events]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=4639 * Tantek * (+193) Microformats related Events -
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[[chat-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=chat-examples&diff=0&oldid=4640 * ChristopherStJohn * (-2)
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[[chat-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=chat-examples&diff=0&oldid=4641 * ChristopherStJohn * (+1)
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[[hatom-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-issues&diff=0&oldid=4642 * RyanKing * (+513)
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[[events]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=4643 * Tantek * (+178) Microformats related Events -
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- [22:32:47] <KevinMarks>
tantek, did you see the laetst in the 'Guido hunts for a web framework' saga?
- [22:32:50] <KevinMarks>
http://www.artima.com/forums/threaded.jsp?forum=106&thread=146647
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- [22:45:03] <danja>
" Writing logic in XSLT makes writing regexes look fun"
- [22:45:12] <danja>
heh, like it
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- [22:52:19] <KevinMarks>
mind you, you could say writing CSS is tricky too
- [22:56:23] <cks>
http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2001/05/07/xsltmath.html, about 3/4 of the way down is an xslt script that computes pi. 'nuff said.
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- [22:58:49] <TantekC>
KevinMarks, except that, according to market adoption you would be wrong.
- [22:59:13] <TantekC>
*far* more web developers understand how to write CSS than XML
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- [22:59:30] <KevinMarks>
oh, I agree, and I don't find it hard, I just ask you
- [22:59:32] <KevinMarks>
;)
- [22:59:36] <TantekC>
heh
- [23:00:03] <TantekC>
asking in #css probably works quite well too
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- [23:00:20] <KevinMarks>
actually CSSEdit is pretty nice
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with it's GUI/markup toggle
- [23:01:15] <TantekC>
Kevin, was there anything in particular you wanted me to see in the comments to Guido's post?
- [23:01:28] <TantekC>
I read through the comments and it didn't look like much of anything new was added.
- [23:02:51] <KevinMarks>
that was the 3rd in a series on 'Guido tries to grok python web frameworks', and it was mainly the comemnt on XML vs HTML that struck me
- [23:03:04] <KevinMarks>
(Guido being the inventor of Python)
- [23:03:09] <TantekC>
too bad the comments themselves don't have permalinks
- [23:03:12] <KevinMarks>
yes
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[[microformats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=microformats&diff=0&oldid=4644 * Tantek * (+1016) Added related principles, point about using UTF-8
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karlUshi is karlcow
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[[chat-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=chat-examples&diff=0&oldid=4645 * Ant * (+1) IRC transcripts - plantext -> plaintext
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- [23:45:57] <Atamido>
Freenode has a #css channel?
- [23:46:07] <Atamido>
cks: Thanks for adding that stuff.
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[[hatom-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-issues&diff=0&oldid=4646 * RyanKing * (+9) moving TOC down
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- [23:50:30] <kingryan>
cks, did you add markp's examples to the wiki?
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[[chat-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=chat-examples&diff=0&oldid=4647 * ChristopherStJohn * (+2252) ILRT irc logger bot with foaf, wordnet and dublin core rdf
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- [23:52:56] <cks>
in progress, trying to dig through the rdf stuff is a pain, i don't the foaf guys ever really finished spec'ing the chat log stuff
- [23:53:36] <kingryan>
cool
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[[hatom]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom&diff=0&oldid=4648 * RyanKing * (-1) Schema - changed 'atom' to 'h', since that's what we're now using for the containing elements
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