IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-02-18

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  1. [00:00:35] <Hixie> you could redefine "family", redefine "today", or abandon SPARQL
  2. [00:00:52] <Hixie> i recommend against the first
  3. [00:01:08] <DanC> the SPARQL publication request is the one thing I actually _did_ get done today
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  5. [00:05:28] <tantek> DanC, all I need from you is a title/summary. Here is what I'm threatening to put into the schedule unless you say otherwise: Dan Connolly (W3C) - "Parsing microformats into an RDF store"
  6. [00:07:01] <DanC> hmmm
  7. [00:07:36] * DanC noodles on "Microformats for practical Semantic Web deployment"
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  9. [00:09:04] <DanC> summary: Microformats provide just enough structure to use semantic web technologies like RDF, OWL, and SPARQL on data in ordinary web pages. Dan will relate a few case studies and demonstrate some tools.
  10. [00:09:33] <DanC> howzat?
  11. [00:09:55] <DanC> "and briefly demonstrate some tools"
  12. [00:14:02] * DanC heads out, hoping that's enough for tantek to send something to steve today
  13. [00:14:26] <tantek> that works!
  14. [00:14:30] <tantek> thanks DanC!
  15. [00:14:57] <DanC> likewise. thanks
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  19. [00:18:00] <tantek> DanC, one more thing, could you help Rohit with proper ACL so he can register for the Technical Plenary?
  20. [00:18:17] <tantek> (see email from Rohit dated 2006-02-10)
  21. [00:23:56] <mfbot> [[events]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=4997 * Tantek * (-163) Microformats related Events -
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  24. [00:27:44] <jibot> andyhume is Andrew D. Hume and blogs at http://thedredge.org/ and has a wonderful use of hCards for commenters (see http://thedredge.org/2005/06/using-hcards-in-your-blog/ for details)
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  26. [00:40:33] <mfbot> [[events/2006-03-01-w3c-plenary-microformats-panel]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/events/2006-03-01-w3c-plenary-microformats-panel * Tantek * (+3765) wrote up almost final draft
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  28. [00:43:44] <mfbot> [[events/2006-03-01-w3c-plenary-microformats-panel]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-03-01-w3c-plenary-microformats-panel&diff=0&oldid=4998 * Tantek * (+197) added DanC's summary
  29. [00:59:15] <mfbot> [[events/2006-03-01-w3c-plenary-microformats-panel]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-03-01-w3c-plenary-microformats-panel&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+3962) events/2006-03-01-w3c-plenary-microformats-panel moved to events/2006-03-01-w3c-plenary-microformats
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  63. [10:46:49] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  67. [11:06:07] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  93. [19:06:10] <amanuel> is there a microformat for a link?
  94. [19:07:06] <amanuel> ie link title (href'd), teaser, url, updated, submitter
  95. [19:08:48] <tantek> amanuel, a link is <a href> - what else do you need?
  96. [19:09:01] <tantek> do you have a URL to specific example?
  97. [19:09:19] <amanuel> well in a feed there may be URLs with description of each URL
  98. [19:09:43] <amanuel> a hLink would allow to parse and extract the link and other related info easier
  99. [19:10:20] <limbo_> i think xfolk can help you there: http://microformats.org/wiki/xfolk
  100. [19:10:38] <tantek> what does "updated" apply to?
  101. [19:10:42] <tantek> and "submitter"?
  102. [19:11:28] <amanuel> if the posting that contains the link is telling you who created it and when it was posted/updated
  103. [19:11:40] <amanuel> I thnk xfolk will do the trick for me
  104. [19:12:54] <amanuel> I can't figure a way to have a nested rss feed which is what is preferred channel within the <item>
  105. [19:13:47] <amanuel> nevermind...I think xfolk will do.
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  108. [19:24:53] <z0inks> not sure if this is an appropriate place to ask, but I figured you'd all know your stuff when it comes to hcard
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  110. [19:25:06] <jibot> Atamido is Paul Bryson, http://orangeman.commo.de/
  111. [19:25:23] <tantek> hi z0inks, ask away!
  112. [19:25:23] <z0inks> sudo.co.uk's X2V spits out an error with my hCard as it doesn't contain an 'fn'
  113. [19:25:31] <z0inks> http://davecardwell.co.uk/
  114. [19:25:43] <z0inks> I thought it was ok to just have an 'n' though
  115. [19:25:56] <tantek> no, fn is required
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  117. [19:26:04] <z0inks> ah, that'll be why then
  118. [19:26:19] <z0inks> thank you, I'll get it fixed
  119. [19:26:35] <z0inks> can I add it to the same element as the 'n'
  120. [19:27:02] <tantek> yes!
  121. [19:27:12] <z0inks> ah right
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  123. [19:29:13] <z0inks> that's done it - thank you
  124. [19:29:45] <tantek> very nice hCard z0inks!
  125. [19:30:02] <tantek> definitely add it to the "Examples in Wild" section of the hCard spec
  126. [19:30:12] <tantek> http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard
  127. [19:30:48] <z0inks> already did thank you
  128. [19:30:51] <tantek> next, perhaps see if you can add hResume to your cv: http://davecardwell.co.uk/cv/
  129. [19:30:53] <z0inks> probably should have made sure it worked fine first...
  130. [19:31:01] <z0inks> ah that's a point
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  132. [19:32:36] <mfbot> [[hresume]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume&diff=0&oldid=4999 * Tantek * (+445) added typical "discussions" footer for feedback/faq/issues
  133. [19:33:09] <tantek> and please provide feedback on any questions etc. on the feedback page: http://microformats.org/wiki/hresume-feedback
  134. [19:36:54] <Atamido> Real men don't need any feedback.
  135. [19:37:01] <Atamido> They do it right the first time. ;)
  136. [19:37:25] <pnhChris> yeah, but we're talking about tantek here :P
  137. [19:37:35] <Atamido> lol
  138. [19:38:10] <tantek> real men don't have time to worry about perfection, they get it good enough and then iterate ;)
  139. [19:38:17] <pnhChris> speaking of feedback, think they'll be any real movement on hatom in the next couple of weeks (particularly wrt. content)
  140. [19:38:24] <tantek> yes
  141. [19:38:27] <limbo__> real men get it right the first time ;)
  142. [19:38:56] <tantek> on Monday a bunch of folks are getting together at mashupcamp/muchocamp (me, DavidJanes, etc.) and are going to work things out.
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  144. [19:39:17] <tantek> keep checking hatom-issues for the latest status
  145. [19:39:25] <tantek> i think we're getting very close
  146. [19:40:14] <pnhChris> cool
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  148. [19:46:02] <mfbot> [[hresume-feedback]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/hresume-feedback * Dave Cardwell * (+368) Created a feedback page for hResume and added a thought.
  149. [19:46:55] <z0inks> ah, nuts
  150. [19:47:33] <z0inks> tantek: you gave me a link to hresume-feedback, but resume-brainstorming already exists
  151. [19:48:45] <z0inks> oh actually I guess they serve different purposes
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  154. [19:50:33] <mfbot> [[hresume-feedback]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume-feedback&diff=0&oldid=5000 * Dave Cardwell * (-143) General Comments -
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  157. [20:07:06] <tantek> z0inks, thanks for creating the page. and yes, feedback on hResume should go on the hresume-feedback page. brainstorming serves a different purpose.
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  160. [20:15:29] <limbo__> rss noise: http://darwinianweb.com/archive/2006/261.html :)
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  163. [20:21:41] <jibot> bluesmoon is Philip from India & writes often on livejournal & sometimes about tech stuff on http://bluesmoon.blogspot.com & restaurants on http://bluesviews.blogspot.com & local food secrets on http://bluesfood.blogspot.com
  164. [20:21:54] <bluesmoon> good day
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  166. [20:59:36] <tantek> limbo, regarding rss noise, let's see if we can set a better example with microformats
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  170. [21:42:03] <jibot> mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
  171. [21:42:53] <jibot> WildFox is Mr. KDOM. Co-author of kdom, ksvg and kcanvas.
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  173. [21:47:28] <jibot> bkdelong is B.K. DeLong, Head Research Analyst for HALO Worldwide - http://www.haloworldwide.com. Web: http://www.brain-stream.com. Email: bkdelong@pobox.com and lives in Salem, MA, USA (-5:00 GMT)
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  176. [22:11:22] <z0inks> what would the class attribute value be for the outer element for hResume
  177. [22:11:33] <z0inks> (ie. for hcard it is class="vcard")
  178. [22:11:44] <z0inks> hresume or resume?
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  187. [23:08:13] <jibot> mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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  192. [23:36:06] <TantekC> z0inks, "hresume"
  193. [23:36:18] <TantekC> that should be in the spec if it isn't

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