IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-02-24
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- [00:00:00] <tantek>
although it would be better if the glossary used a <dl> to defined the terms
- [00:03:51] <Hixie>
people asked for a disclosure widget, like the triangle in Mac OS dialogs, or the Details >> / << Hide Details buttons in Windows
- [00:04:01] <Hixie>
i wonder if that's just a special presentation of a <fieldset>
- [00:04:05] <Hixie>
or if it deserves its own semantic
- [00:08:15] <hober>
perhaps <fieldset compact="compact"...
- [00:08:33] <hober>
I wouldn't want a widget like that on *all* fieldsets
- [00:08:54] <hober>
and the @compact semantics fit this, to some extent
- [00:13:20] <Hixie>
well if it's a presentational thing it would be up to the CSS/XBL layer
- [00:13:24] <Hixie>
no attribute needed
- [00:14:41] <hober>
I'm thinking of dialog boxes where there are by default some visible form elements and some hidden until you click on something. There might reasonably be several fieldsets in such a scenario; how do I say "this fieldset here, this one is in some sense extraneous and can be collapsed by default"
- [00:14:59] <Hixie>
class attribute, prolly
- [00:15:49] <hober>
class="advanced-frobs" or some such
- [00:15:59] <hober>
yeah, that sounds good to me
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- [00:16:44] <hober>
so would the UA stick one of these widgets on any fieldsets with display:none?
- [00:17:33] <hober>
or would the document author say "put a widget on this fieldset" via a new css rule?
- [00:17:58] <hober>
display: none; toggle-dude: yes;
- [00:18:31] <Hixie>
or binding: disclosure-widget; maybe
- [00:18:32] <Hixie>
yeah, dunno
- [00:22:26] <mfbot>
[[include-pattern]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern&diff=0&oldid=5154 * Tantek * (+343)
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- [00:54:27] <hober>
where'd the comments go? http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/02/21/gym-camp/
- [00:54:47] <factoryjoe>
?
- [00:55:01] <factoryjoe>
!!
- [00:55:02] <factoryjoe>
omg
- [00:55:03] <factoryjoe>
wtf
- [00:55:10] <factoryjoe>
crap
- [00:55:16] <factoryjoe>
textdrive must've effed up
- [00:55:45] <factoryjoe>
shyte
- [00:57:11] <factoryjoe>
ALL MY COMMENTS ARE GONE!!!!
- [00:58:05] <hober>
oh dude, that sucks
- [00:58:37] <factoryjoe>
how the hell did that happen?!
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- [01:00:22] <Hixie>
i keep looking for a "specs" links every time i go to microformats.org
- [01:00:25] * Hixie clicks "wiki"
- [01:03:33] <kingryan>
Hixie, that's the opposite critique of most people
- [01:03:51] <kingryan>
:D
- [01:04:09] <kingryan>
most say "omg, specs! what do I do?!"
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- [01:09:51] <Hixie>
heh
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- [01:17:42] <Hixie>
i really wish there was a proper spec for these microformats
- [01:17:53] <Hixie>
with clear UA and document conformance criteria
- [01:20:43] <factoryjoe>
yes
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- [01:24:27] <pnhChris>
wikis are good for a lot of things, but presenting a couple of different documents that can both be considered static and in sync isn't one of em
- [01:25:02] <Hixie>
oh i don't think it's the wiki that's the problem
- [01:25:07] <Hixie>
:-)
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- [01:32:30] <tantek>
Hixie, we're documenting these things as fast as we can. I presume you understand the challenge. ;)
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- [01:34:10] <Hixie>
not fast enough :-P
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- [03:56:55] <jibot>
mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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- [04:10:55] <jibot>
hober is Edward O'Connor and works for EVDB on http://eventful.com/ and lives in San Diego, CA (-08:00)
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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- [06:20:41] <factoryjoe>
tantek: hey man
- [06:20:44] <factoryjoe>
get my email?
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- [07:22:49] <KevinMarks>
evening
- [07:34:26] <factoryjoe>
tantek: you still around?
- [07:34:28] <factoryjoe>
got your reply
- [07:34:33] <factoryjoe>
tomorrow am would be good
- [07:37:13] <Frederic>
Hello
- [07:37:43] <factoryjoe>
hi
- [07:39:49] <KevinMarks>
hi chaps
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kingryan is ryan king
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bkdelong is B.K. DeLong, Head Research Analyst for HALO Worldwide - http://www.haloworldwide.com. Web: http://www.brain-stream.com. Email: bkdelong@pobox.com and lives in Salem, MA, USA (-5:00 GMT)
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dglazkov is Dimitri Glazkov (http://glazkov.com) and lives in Birmingham, AL, USA (-6:00 GMT)
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pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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- [15:40:08] <dglazkov>
http://www.capital.edu
- [15:40:24] <dglazkov>
work in progress, please don't try to validate HTML :) yet
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mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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RobertBachmann is Robert Bachmann <http://rbach.priv.at/> and lives in Austria (Timezone: 01:00)
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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- [17:04:50] <RobertBachmann>
hi Tantek. What's the status of "content" opacity for hAtom?
- [17:05:47] <RobertBachmann>
http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom says only <cite> and <blockquote> should be opaque ... while http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom-hints still has the opacity rules
- [17:07:16] <tantek>
hi Robert
- [17:07:19] <RobertBachmann>
only <cite> and <blockquote> inside of class=~entry-content, that is.
- [17:07:21] <tantek>
most opacity for hAtom is disappearing
- [17:07:29] <tantek>
because it is unnecessary
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- [17:17:22] <RobertBachmann>
So only <cite> and <blockquote> are to be treated opaque? Why not also <q>?
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- [17:24:06] <jibot>
mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
- [17:26:16] <mfbot>
[[Template:out-of-date]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Template:out-of-date * RobertBachmann * (+162) Template for marking out-of-date pages
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- [17:28:02] <mfbot>
[[hatom-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-examples&diff=0&oldid=5155 * RobertBachmann * (+17) hAtom examples - Added out-of-date marker
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- [17:30:15] <factoryjoe>
http://opmlcamp.com/?p=7#comments
- [17:38:14] <mfbot>
[[include-pattern]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern&diff=0&oldid=5156 * Brian * (+109) Added Note 4 to prevent self-referencial includes
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- [17:43:54] <RobertBachmann>
OPML is very important for microformats...
- [17:44:00] <RobertBachmann>
an example how you should _not_ do it ;-)
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limbo_ is Eran and blogs at http://hellonline.com/blog/
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hober is Edward O'Connor and works for EVDB on http://eventful.com/ and lives in San Diego, CA (-08:00)
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karlUshi is karlcow
- [19:18:20] <yakk>
ponderous
- [19:18:43] <yakk>
is there an xpath equivalent of css' ~=
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- [19:19:00] <yakk>
for testing if an attribute has a value in a list?
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contains(str1, str2)?
- [19:26:37] <yakk>
dglazkov, I was just playing with contains, but it does a substring search rather than list processing
- [19:26:58] <yakk>
so contains (@class, 'fn') will return true for class="fnord"
- [19:27:24] <dglazkov>
what about contains(concat(@class, ' '), 'fn ')?
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- [19:27:34] <yakk>
aha
- [19:27:52] <yakk>
markp does some magick with concat and normalize-space
- [19:27:58] <dglazkov>
ew
- [19:28:00] <dglazkov>
:)
- [19:28:06] <dglazkov>
but it works
- [19:28:09] <hober>
dglazkov: well, you want the equivalent of (^|\b)fn(\b|$)
- [19:28:09] <yakk>
well
- [19:28:10] <markp>
no ew
- [19:28:13] <markp>
it's what normalize-space is *for*
- [19:28:34] <yakk>
concat(' ', normalize-space(@class), ' ') is kinda ew
- [19:28:48] <yakk>
compared to ~=
- [19:28:57] <yakk>
but anyhoo, it'll do
- [19:29:04] <dglazkov>
markp, 'ew' to no list processing in xpath, not normalize-space
- [19:29:17] <markp>
oh
- [19:29:19] <markp>
yeah
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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bkdelong is B.K. DeLong, Head Research Analyst for HALO Worldwide - http://www.haloworldwide.com. Web: http://www.brain-stream.com. Email: bkdelong@pobox.com and lives in Salem, MA, USA (-5:00 GMT)
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BenjaminCarlyle is http://soundadvice.id.au/blog/, GMT 1000
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blake is allegedly human. Blake, also known as Cortland M. Setlow, studies at swarthmore.edu and enjoys building things, exploring buildings, and physics. He currently sleeps during the day.
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[[presentations]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=presentations&diff=0&oldid=5157 * Tantek * (+184)
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kingryan is ryan king
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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