IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-03-15
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pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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limbo_ is Eran and blogs at http://hellonline.com/blog/
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[[greasemonkey]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=greasemonkey&diff=0&oldid=5399 * DrErnie * (+47) Setup -
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[[greasemonkey]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=greasemonkey&diff=0&oldid=5400 * DrErnie * (+168) Scripts -
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[[greasemonkey]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=greasemonkey&diff=0&oldid=5401 * DrErnie * (+0) Posts and Articles - crud
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slightly related to this community - http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-xhtml-rdfa-primer-20060310/
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as I believe in cross-polinization
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you know, its a sad thought when I think about all my sexual-eske content in writing about Isaac hayes quitting SP and think of how much porn traffic might get diverted to me.
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;_; *cackle*
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[[events/2006-03-13-sxsw-microformats]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-03-13-sxsw-microformats&diff=0&oldid=5402 * GlennTwiggs * (+41) Add myself (Glenn Twiggs) to attendee list.
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[[events/2006-03-13-sxsw-microformats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-03-13-sxsw-microformats&diff=0&oldid=5403 * GlennTwiggs * (-5)
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bewest is curious about emerging standards
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bkdelong is B.K. DeLong, Head Research Analyst for HALO Worldwide - http://www.haloworldwide.com. Web: http://www.brain-stream.com. Email: bkdelong@pobox.com and lives in Salem, MA, USA (-5:00 GMT)
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mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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limbo_ is Eran and blogs at http://hellonline.com/blog/
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[[Talk:Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=5404 * Eeee * (+189865)
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and runs www.csslounge.co.uk
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mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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- [16:26:17] <Atamido>
How was SXSW Interactive?
- [16:34:43] <DanC_lap>
awesome.
- [16:34:58] <DanC_lap>
have you seen http://austin.adactio.com/ ? pretty cool.
- [16:35:08] <DanC_lap>
see also http://del.icio.us/connolly/sxsw
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- [16:41:38] <Atamido>
DanC_lap: Thanks.
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- [16:41:59] <Atamido>
It's all about the irc://moznet/css
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dglazkov is Dimitri Glazkov (http://glazkov.com) and lives in Birmingham, AL, USA (-6:00 GMT)
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[[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) blocked "User:Eeee" with an expiry time of infinite: vandal
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[[Talk:Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=5405 * Tantek * (-189865) revert
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bkdelong is B.K. DeLong, Head Research Analyst for HALO Worldwide - http://www.haloworldwide.com. Web: http://www.brain-stream.com. Email: bkdelong@pobox.com and lives in Salem, MA, USA (-5:00 GMT)
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hober is Edward O'Connor and works for EVDB on http://eventful.com/ and lives in San Diego, CA (-08:00)
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and runs www.csslounge.co.uk
- [18:35:33] <amanuel>
in xoxo the class="xoxo" is optional?
- [18:36:09] <amanuel>
xoxo then is what? ordered and unordered lists?
- [18:36:22] <amanuel>
why bother?
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- [18:37:32] <amanuel>
I am finding xoxo a little too...uhmm free lovin'
- [18:37:39] <amanuel>
no rules
- [18:38:02] <TantekC>
not quite
- [18:38:21] <amanuel>
if class="xoxo" is optional then all ul and ol are xoxo
- [18:38:23] <TantekC>
e.g. only the first <dl> inside a <li> sets the properties for that <li>
- [18:38:34] <TantekC>
amanuel, exactly!
- [18:38:41] <TantekC>
all ul/ol can be treated as XOXO
- [18:38:44] <TantekC>
that's the point!
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- [18:38:47] <factoryjoe>
exactly
- [18:38:53] <amanuel>
too free lovin'
- [18:38:54] <factoryjoe>
which is why theres so much more xoxo than opml
- [18:38:56] <amanuel>
:)
- [18:39:43] <amanuel>
so the tails extension can't really ever detect xoxo cause any list could be xoxo
- [18:40:56] <amanuel>
xfolkentry makes it clear that that link has something special about it.
- [18:41:23] <amanuel>
if all lists are xoxo then why bother calling them xoxo?
- [18:42:09] <amanuel>
hence microformatted content. am I missing something?
- [18:43:38] <amanuel>
in the brainstorming the idea of having class="xoxo blogroll" opens an endless set of sub rules that could be created...true, but at least parsers have something to chew on.
- [18:44:03] <amanuel>
http://microformats.org/wiki/xoxo-brainstorming
- [18:47:18] <amanuel>
TantekC: from parsing and extracting view point, isn't the idea of microformatting a way of embedding additional info that allows parsers to learn something more about the content? I can't see how that can happen if any list can be xoxo.
- [18:49:41] <amanuel>
hi factoryjoe you at sxsw?
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- [18:49:58] <amanuel>
:(
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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RobertBachmann is Robert Bachmann <http://rbach.priv.at/> and lives in Austria (Timezone: 01:00)
- [19:25:57] <dglazkov>
amanuel, think of XOXO as flour, not cake.
- [19:26:43] <amanuel>
hmm some cakes have no flour ;)
- [19:26:57] <dglazkov>
and that's ok.
- [19:27:24] <mfbot>
[[Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=5406 * Aspendos@msn.com * (+43743)
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[[Microformats:Community Portal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Microformats:Community_Portal&diff=0&oldid=5407 * Aspendos@msn.com * (+56802)
- [19:28:23] <amanuel>
in the end one just is left with making simple properly formatted ul ol's that technically can be seen as xoxo
- [19:28:26] <dglazkov>
ayiee!! RobertBachmann -- quick, the wiki's being spammed
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[[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * RobertBachmann * (+0) blocked "User:Aspendos@msn.com" with an expiry time of infinite: spam
- [19:28:55] <amanuel>
LOL
- [19:28:56] <dglazkov>
amanuel: you got it!
- [19:30:12] <amanuel>
I was hoping for xoxo to be like xfolk
- [19:30:28] <amanuel>
I wanted to use xoxo to organize xfolkentries
- [19:30:57] <amanuel>
but I guess I already am doing that since they are in a ol
- [19:31:09] <dglazkov>
yup.
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- [19:31:33] <amanuel>
well check that puppy off the to do list.
- [19:31:59] <amanuel>
I'll use class="xoxo" for others benefit.
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- [20:43:55] <Atamido>
amanuel: I'm with you on this one.
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One of the primary benefits of microformats is machine parsability, and if it can't be detected, then it can't be parsed.
- [20:46:02] <Atamido>
Only a small portion of OL and UL can be considered XOXO.
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- [23:34:54] <amanuel>
Atamido: thanks for agreeing I am scratching my head why they bothered to define xoxo. We should have said "BTW: use ol and ul for making lists"
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- [23:41:28] <KevinMarks>
well, there is the <dl> aspect too
- [23:42:10] <bewest>
<dl> doesn't get the respect it should, methinks
- [23:42:16] <bewest>
always left out in the cold, seemingly
- [23:43:46] <amanuel>
KevinMarks: the issue I am having with xoxo is in a world where ul are being used from menus to layout parsers are left with more work
- [23:44:01] <amanuel>
if class=xoxo is required problem is solved
- [23:44:12] <KevinMarks>
well, evangelise that then...
- [23:44:24] <KevinMarks>
depends how postelian you are feeling in your parser
- [23:45:38] <amanuel>
I was hoping to have the same feel to xoxo as we do with xfolk
- [23:46:42] <amanuel>
you know a link is xfolk with no room for gray areas.
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- [23:52:18] <KevinMarks>
so should I add an 'only if class is xoxo' option to the xoxo parsers?
- [23:52:40] <KevinMarks>
AFAIK the generator code puts that in
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