IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-03-20

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  54. [02:51:53] <jibot> mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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  67. [05:15:55] <jibot> kingryan is ryan king
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  86. [09:03:28] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and runs www.csslounge.co.uk
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  89. [10:29:28] <mfbot> [[recipe-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=recipe-examples&diff=0&oldid=5441 * RichardRutter * (+671)
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  97. [13:57:27] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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  102. [14:39:10] <jibot> dglazkov is Dimitri Glazkov (http://glazkov.com) and lives in Birmingham, AL, USA (-6:00 GMT)
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  106. [15:09:19] <jibot> bkdelong is B.K. DeLong, Head Research Analyst for HALO Worldwide - http://www.haloworldwide.com. Web: http://www.brain-stream.com. Email: bkdelong@pobox.com and lives in Salem, MA, USA (-5:00 GMT)
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  112. [15:49:26] <jibot> blake is allegedly human. Blake, also known as Cortland M. Setlow, studies at swarthmore.edu and enjoys building things, exploring buildings, and physics. He currently sleeps during the day.
  113. [15:56:18] <mfbot> [[hresume]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume&diff=0&oldid=5442 * ZenPsycho * (+0) Field details -
  114. [15:58:04] <mfbot> [[hresume]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume&diff=0&oldid=5443 * ZenPsycho * (-2) Examples -
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  117. [16:01:42] <jibot> RobertBachmann is Robert Bachmann <http://rbach.priv.at/> and lives in Austria (Timezone: 01:00)
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  119. [16:01:55] <jibot> mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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  215. [16:54:23] <mfbot> [[hresume]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume&diff=0&oldid=5445 * RyanKing * (+0) Field details - fixed copy/paste bug
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  229. [18:14:26] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
  230. [18:14:41] * ChanServ sets mode +o tantek
  231. [18:15:22] <tantek> greetings from Mix06
  232. [18:15:29] <tantek> Tim O'Reilly and Bill Gates are on stage
  233. [18:15:49] <dglazkov> ooh. Are they fighting?
  234. [18:15:53] <tantek> Tim just noted that the Semantic Web is really happening through the use of microformats on the Web.
  235. [18:16:29] <dglazkov> damn
  236. [18:16:37] <dglazkov> that's important
  237. [18:18:07] <tantek> and Bill said: "We need microformats and to get people to agree on them. It is going to bootstrap exchanging data on the Web...."
  238. [18:18:33] * dglazkov is watching webcast! I just found it!
  239. [18:18:45] <tantek> dglazkov, can you get the exact quote?
  240. [18:19:10] <dglazkov> it's live now, but once they put it in archive, sure
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  242. [18:21:08] <dglazkov> dang it. Keep getting dropped
  243. [18:22:21] <mfbot> [[events]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=5446 * Tantek * (+126) Tim O'Reilly and Bill Gates discussing microformats at mix06!
  244. [18:25:24] <dglazkov> mark asking questions?
  245. [18:26:41] <tantek> yes, Marc Canter just asked a question about open APIs
  246. [18:27:28] <mfbot> [[events/2006-03-20-mix06-microformats]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/events/2006-03-20-mix06-microformats * Tantek * (+609) rough notes / mentions of microformats
  247. [18:27:36] <dglazkov> #mix06
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  250. [18:40:02] <jibot> kingryan is ryan king
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  253. [18:53:32] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and runs www.csslounge.co.uk
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  256. [19:10:30] <jibot> blake is allegedly human. Blake, also known as Cortland M. Setlow, studies at swarthmore.edu and enjoys building things, exploring buildings, and physics. He currently sleeps during the day.
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  258. [19:31:55] <tantek> http://microformats.org/blog/2006/03/20/bill-gates-at-mix06-we-need-microformats/
  259. [19:33:06] <kingryan> omg, tantek
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  261. [19:35:49] <tantek> kingryan, I think I topped your Ray Ozzie post ;)
  262. [19:37:49] * tantek wonders what is Bill Gates' t-shirt size
  263. [19:38:14] * kingryan wonders if bill wears t-shirts
  264. [19:40:22] <kingryan> but, yeah, you topped my post
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  267. [19:51:01] <jibot> WildFox is Mr. KDOM. Co-author of kdom, ksvg and kcanvas.
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  269. [19:51:42] <tantek> kingryan, if you have a sec, could you fix validity of SXSW post on microformats.org?
  270. [19:51:52] <kingryan> sure
  271. [19:52:02] <tantek> k thx. break time here at mix06
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  273. [19:55:01] <mfbot> [[events]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=5447 * Brian * (+6) changed link for XTECH microformats tutorial
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  276. [19:58:38] <chikkman> hi all
  277. [19:58:44] <kingryan> hi
  278. [19:58:51] <chikkman> i have a quick question about hreview implementations
  279. [19:59:10] <kingryan> sure
  280. [19:59:26] <chikkman> are there any apps out there that convert existing reviews to hreview format?
  281. [20:00:15] <chikkman> i am familiar with the hreview creator for new reviews, but didn't see much on migrating existing reviews...
  282. [20:01:43] <kingryan> not that I know of
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  284. [20:01:51] <kingryan> its mostly gotta be done by hand at this point
  285. [20:02:04] <kingryan> if you'd like a hand, I can help you with converting some
  286. [20:02:12] <chikkman> that's what i figured..
  287. [20:03:26] <chikkman> no, that's okay....i'll see if i can put together some kind of automated solution for this - for at least my reviews....
  288. [20:03:36] <chikkman> thx
  289. [20:03:51] <kingryan> yeah, some regex'es could probaby get most of it done for you
  290. [20:05:15] <dglazkov> do you think Bill Gates understands what microformats are or was he just panning back on Tim?
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  294. [20:11:01] <kingryan> dglazkov, I think he probably understands them on some level
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  296. [20:11:17] <kingryan> I'm sure he doesn't understand them the way you do, but at least he understands the need for them
  297. [20:11:27] <kingryan> and he has employees who understand them well enough to build tools
  298. [20:11:47] <dglazkov> you know, this is probably a big thing
  299. [20:12:01] <factoryjoe> hmm, this sounds interesting
  300. [20:12:25] <dglazkov> hey factoryjoe. Newsflash: BillG gets behind microformats
  301. [20:12:25] <factoryjoe> what'd i miss?
  302. [20:12:29] <factoryjoe> oh?!
  303. [20:12:30] <factoryjoe> where?!
  304. [20:12:39] <dglazkov> invests $1,000,000,000 in effort
  305. [20:12:50] <dglazkov> ok, kidding on that part
  306. [20:13:04] <dglazkov> on the frontpage of microformats.org
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  308. [20:13:32] <factoryjoe> kk
  309. [20:13:33] * dglazkov is never good at appreciating "the big moment"
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  311. [20:14:30] <dglazkov> next question: do you think MSFT will try to hijack/clone microformats effort?
  312. [20:14:57] <factoryjoe> who cares?
  313. [20:14:59] <factoryjoe> it's open source
  314. [20:19:23] <dglazkov> still -- better get that "community mark" shit together
  315. [20:24:52] <kingryan> we have prior art already -> http://flickr.com/photos/ryansking/113794534/
  316. [20:25:13] <factoryjoe> and shirts
  317. [20:25:15] <factoryjoe> dude
  318. [20:25:18] <factoryjoe> get tantek to give him a shirt
  319. [20:25:22] <factoryjoe> billg that is
  320. [20:25:56] <dglazkov> I can recommend a list of people to start evangelism with
  321. [20:26:12] <kingryan> factoryjoe, he's working on it
  322. [20:26:22] * dglazkov is a recovering Koolaid drinker
  323. [20:26:27] <kingryan> wow, we've definitely got the ladies covered -> http://flickr.com/photos/jrnoded/110363659/
  324. [20:26:40] <kingryan> dglazkov, hKoolaid?
  325. [20:26:54] <dglazkov> MS-Koolaid
  326. [20:27:02] <kingryan> oh, ouch
  327. [20:27:08] <dglazkov> not to get started with WS-Koolaid
  328. [20:27:15] <dglazkov> yeah baby, I've drank them all
  329. [20:27:42] <dglazkov> :)
  330. [20:28:41] <dglazkov> WS-* almost killed me
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  337. [20:58:32] <dglazkov> http://dglazkov.newsvine.com/_news/2006/03/20/140249-bill-gates-mentions-microformats-at-mix06
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  343. [21:33:35] <mfbot> [[events/2006-03-14-sxsw-modulet]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-03-14-sxsw-modulet&diff=0&oldid=5448 * Alla Gringaus * (+25) Session Details -
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  351. [21:55:33] <jibot> BenjaminCarlyle is http://soundadvice.id.au/blog/, GMT 1000
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  355. [22:00:00] <jibot> RobertBachmann is Robert Bachmann <http://rbach.priv.at/> and lives in Austria (Timezone: 01:00)
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  357. [22:03:52] <BenjaminCarlyle> Morning, Robert :)
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  359. [22:04:12] <jibot> Jonnay is a programmer, graphic designer and musician. He blogs at http://blog.jonnay.net and his music is at http://www.jonnay.net
  360. [22:05:11] <RobertBachmann> hi Benjamin
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  362. [22:06:47] <BenjaminCarlyle> This morning you have to call me "Dad" :)
  363. [22:06:47] <BenjaminCarlyle> http://soundadvice.id.au/blog/2006/03/20#GenevieveAlice
  364. [22:07:18] <BenjaminCarlyle> I'm just home for a sleep and a couple of meals before heading back in to see my wife and daughter.
  365. [22:07:44] <pnhChris> congrats!
  366. [22:08:01] <RobertBachmann> yeah, congrats
  367. [22:08:03] <pnhChris> seems like new people are sprouting up everywhere
  368. [22:08:07] <pnhChris> ;)
  369. [22:08:11] <BenjaminCarlyle> Thanks :)
  370. [22:08:29] <kingryan> congrats BenjaminCarlyle
  371. [22:08:34] <kingryan> its a micro-person!
  372. [22:08:51] <BenjaminCarlyle> pnhChis: It's the month for it. Our hospital had 200 bookings this month for only six birth suites.
  373. [22:08:58] <BenjaminCarlyle> kingryan: :)
  374. [22:16:01] <BenjaminCarlyle> I'd better head back, see you all :)
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  376. [22:22:27] <edsu> nice name genevieve
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  381. [22:57:08] <kingryan> btw, in lieu of having a irc meetup, I'm just going to start having 'office hours' here in irc, for anyone who needs to get in touch
  382. [22:57:42] <pnhChris> do we need appointments in advance?
  383. [22:59:16] <kingryan> :D, no
  384. [22:59:19] <pnhChris> oh.. more seriously.. i asked this last night but it was quiet... wrt. hatom - valid atom
  385. [22:59:25] <kingryan> yeah?
  386. [23:00:12] <pnhChris> i haven't gone and read the atom specs, but like the guy posting on the mailing list the other day I'm not seeing a way to get valid atom with current tools and specs
  387. [23:00:26] <pnhChris> curious if its an hatom thing.. or atom.. or tools
  388. [23:00:39] * pnhChris scans in mailbox for the url
  389. [23:01:01] <pnhChris> particularly with feed related fields for updated and id.. or maybe it was title
  390. [23:01:29] <pnhChris> i just don't know the specs well enough
  391. [23:02:13] <pnhChris> this was the example... (not mine) http://fuzzycontent.com/index.php/2006/03/14/context-wants-to-be-free-too/
  392. [23:03:17] <pnhChris> going though the hatom-atom proxy then tofeedvalidator.org...
  393. [23:03:20] <pnhChris> http://feedvalidator.org/check.cgi?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lukearno.com%2Fprojects%2Fhatom2atom%2F%3Furl%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Ffuzzycontent.com%252Findex.php%252F2006%252F03%252F14%252Fcontext-wants-to-be-free-too%252F
  394. [23:03:52] <pnhChris> things like entry id are in hatom but not coded in that original page.. i got that
  395. [23:04:38] <pnhChris> but the feed id and updated i'm not sure where those "errors" can be resolved
  396. [23:04:54] <KevinMarks> can't id be generated from link?
  397. [23:04:55] <pnhChris> .. or who is wrong or out of sync
  398. [23:05:28] <kingryan> it looks like a bug in the proxy
  399. [23:05:57] <kingryan> updated's there in the html, so it should get converted
  400. [23:06:08] <KevinMarks> the results look weird too
  401. [23:06:39] <kingryan> and <id> should get generated, since, I believe it's required
  402. [23:06:44] <pnhChris> like i said.. i don't konw the breakdown of what is the validator's fault, the xsl files, or hatom
  403. [23:07:00] <pnhChris> the entry id errors are author errors
  404. [23:07:10] <pnhChris> the feed id.. .dunno
  405. [23:07:41] * pnhChris opns up the hatom spec again
  406. [23:08:00] * RobertBachmann will do some testing tomorrow
  407. [23:08:04] * RobertBachmann (n=RobertBa@N096P012.adsl.highway.telekom.at) Quit ("sleep")
  408. [23:08:27] <kingryan> I think id should be generated from the link, but we don't seem to have permalinks here
  409. [23:09:09] <pnhChris> here's another example i'm playing with - why i stumbled on the issue
  410. [23:09:10] <pnhChris> http://chunkysoup.net/extras/behindcs/index_new.html
  411. [23:10:07] <pnhChris> the ids get generated there.. but not fully qualified URLs... feed updated and title are still empty .. and the validator yells about my dates there as well
  412. [23:10:16] <KevinMarks> yes, the hAtom there is iffy
  413. [23:10:17] <KevinMarks> <div class="hfeed">
  414. [23:10:17] <KevinMarks> <ul>
  415. [23:10:17] <KevinMarks> <li class="hentry"><span class="entry-title">Bob Robertson-Boyd</span>, <span class="entry-content">reader</span>, joined on <abbr class="updated" title="2006-01-10T21:48:00Z">January 12, 2006</abbr></li>
  416. [23:10:17] <KevinMarks> <li class="hentry"><span class="entry-title">Dimitri Glazkov</span>, <span class="entry-content">technologist</span>, joined on <abbr class="updated" title="2006-01-10T21:48:00Z">January 12, 2006</abbr></li>
  417. [23:10:19] <KevinMarks> <li class="hentry"><span class="entry-title">Eric Hodgson</span>, <span class="entry-content">marketer</span>, joined on <abbr class="updated" title="2006-03-07T00:00:00Z">March 7, 2006</abbr></li>
  418. [23:10:22] <KevinMarks> </ul>
  419. [23:10:24] <KevinMarks> <div class="author vcard">Maintained by <a class="fn url" href="http://glazkov.com/">Dimitri Glazkov</a></div>
  420. [23:10:27] <KevinMarks> </div>
  421. [23:12:02] <pnhChris> right.. at a minimum it doesn't have entry id's .. .my document i'm working on at chunkysoup.net has ids on the entries.. but the xsl doc only uses the local reference to the elements
  422. [23:12:07] <pnhChris> instead of fll urls
  423. [23:12:29] <kingryan> that's a bug in the xsl, then
  424. [23:12:40] <kingryan> would you mind documenting that?
  425. [23:12:45] <pnhChris> and the dates.. i'm probably just being dumb and not seeing anything
  426. [23:12:46] <pnhChris> sure
  427. [23:12:50] <kingryan> the xsl's in public svn, so a patch would be useful, too
  428. [23:13:23] <pnhChris> i'll be happy to docuemnt or update anything i know is wrong..
  429. [23:13:32] <pnhChris> what about the feed updated value
  430. [23:13:50] <pnhChris> is that a consumer issue too?
  431. [23:13:54] <pnhChris> (xsl)
  432. [23:14:52] <pnhChris> or its it a required element that hatom needs to deal with.. didn't notice it in the issues list.. but haven't read any parsing documents that closely
  433. [23:14:58] <kingryan> yeah, but I'm not sure we've documented how that should work
  434. [23:15:21] <kingryan> we don't have any feed level elements in hatom, so no, its not a publisher issue
  435. [23:15:35] <kingryan> the xsl needs to generate it, based on their the html or http
  436. [23:16:19] <pnhChris> and lastly that date format issue
  437. [23:16:29] <kingryan> the xsl also needs to find the author
  438. [23:17:16] <kingryan> what about the date format?
  439. [23:17:55] <pnhChris> the validator is yelling.. and i'm too blind/close to see why
  440. [23:18:05] <pnhChris> line 10, column 36: published must be an RFC-3339 date-time [help]
  441. [23:18:05] <pnhChris> <published>2005-04-26T00:00-0500</published>
  442. [23:18:22] <pnhChris> oh
  443. [23:18:25] <pnhChris> i see now
  444. [23:18:29] <pnhChris> its -05:00
  445. [23:18:38] <pnhChris> like i said.. i was too close
  446. [23:19:56] <pnhChris> amazing what a copy+paste into a different context will immediately let you see
  447. [23:21:52] <pnhChris> ok ... after dinner i'll reply to the other message on the list about the author + xsl issues... and the check the wiki or the xsl to see what needs documenting or fixing
  448. [23:22:46] * tantek (n=tantek@65.160.19.103) has joined #microformats
  449. [23:22:46] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
  450. [23:23:04] * ChanServ sets mode +o tantek
  451. [23:23:12] <tantek> greetings folks
  452. [23:23:15] <tantek> thanks kingryan!
  453. [23:23:33] <kingryan> np
  454. [23:24:16] <tantek> BTW, for anyone listening/watching the mix06 sessions, feel free to add your quotes/notes regarding microformats here: http://microformats.org/wiki/events/2006-03-20-mix06-microformats
  455. [23:24:19] <pnhChris> hola tantek
  456. [23:25:32] <tantek> yo Chris
  457. [23:25:40] <factoryjoe> yo
  458. [23:25:43] <factoryjoe> hey tantek
  459. [23:25:48] <factoryjoe> i'm setting up the mF store right now
  460. [23:25:54] <factoryjoe> oh
  461. [23:25:54] <tantek> i thought it was already setup
  462. [23:25:58] <factoryjoe> and i have a sweet mashup for you
  463. [23:26:03] <factoryjoe> yeah, it's on *my* store
  464. [23:26:04] <kingryan> no, it was in chris's store
  465. [23:26:06] <factoryjoe> not YOUR store
  466. [23:26:29] <pnhChris> ok.. i updated my test document with the proper timezone offset and the validator is still yellign at me
  467. [23:26:53] <pnhChris> anyone see what's wrong with : 2006-03-19T18:00-05:00
  468. [23:27:08] <pnhChris> secs
  469. [23:27:17] <tantek> in what context?
  470. [23:27:20] <KevinMarks> is it sulky about dashes?
  471. [23:27:21] * pnhChris should just copy and past thigns privately
  472. [23:27:31] <pnhChris> no secs in my examples
  473. [23:27:32] <tantek> which validator?
  474. [23:27:38] <pnhChris> feedvalidator
  475. [23:27:48] <pnhChris> via hatom2atom proxy
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  477. [23:28:04] <tantek> yeah, RFC3339 requires full seconds precision which is stupid but oh well. can you say artificial precision?
  478. [23:28:10] <tantek> ah
  479. [23:28:10] <pnhChris> (see the chat logs from right before you rejoined)
  480. [23:28:17] <tantek> the proxy should be inserting the necessary seconds
  481. [23:28:20] <tantek> that's a bug on the proxy
  482. [23:28:39] <tantek> the point of microformats is to be easier for the publisher
  483. [23:29:25] <pnhChris> that might happen .. once the documentation and tools are a bit further along :P
  484. [23:29:49] <pnhChris> (i kid... i kid)
  485. [23:30:38] <pnhChris> but yeah.. i'll break down these two documents in a message tonight
  486. [23:36:37] <factoryjoe> check it out: http://www.flickr.com/photos/factoryjoe/115533115/
  487. [23:37:22] <tantek> factoryjoe: LOL!!!
  488. [23:37:28] <factoryjoe> :D
  489. [23:37:32] <factoryjoe> damn
  490. [23:37:38] <factoryjoe> i should put him in a MF shirt!!
  491. [23:37:43] <factoryjoe> someone want to pose?
  492. [23:40:46] <bretonsli> microformats natively supported in IE? maybe?
  493. [23:41:15] <factoryjoe> bretonsli: we're working on it in flock
  494. [23:41:24] * cubicgarden (n=ian@cubicgarden.demon.co.uk) Quit ()
  495. [23:41:47] <bretonsli> I know. flock doesn't quite have 80% of the market yet though.
  496. [23:42:07] <bretonsli> perhaps someday
  497. [23:42:12] <tantek> factoryjoe, any chance that Flock will ship microformats support before April 1?
  498. [23:42:21] <kingryan> factoryjoe, there's not enough logos in that photo
  499. [23:42:21] <TimC> hey fellas, I was taking a look at RDF/A and it seems similar to microformats, the examples they were giving in the new primer. http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/HTML/2006-01-24-rdfa-primer
  500. [23:43:04] <kingryan> factoryjoe, http://presentationzen.blogs.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/complexity_bill.jpg
  501. [23:43:34] <tantek> TimC, rdfa has been improved, but still has tons of philosophical problems
  502. [23:44:12] <tantek> now that DanC has demonstrated you can read microformats directly into an RDF store, I'm not sure why you'd use an uglier format that you can't validly publish in today's HTML and XHTML.
  503. [23:44:51] <KevinMarks> what is that CURIE stuff though?
  504. [23:44:56] <TimC> yeah tantek, I mean it seems rdf/a is built on some of the same principals as microformats.
  505. [23:45:09] <TimC> well I'm out, thanks for the insight.
  506. [23:45:28] <DanC> er... rdf/a is similar to microformats in some technical respects, but I don't see any shared principals
  507. [23:45:37] <tantek> TimC, yes, rdf/a has definitely benefitted by following a bunch of the same underlying structures as microformats
  508. [23:45:41] <tantek> but DanC is right
  509. [23:45:47] <tantek> the principles are very different
  510. [23:45:51] <KevinMarks> or even prinicples
  511. [23:45:58] <tantek> (as well as the principals ;) )
  512. [23:46:33] <DanC> microformats principles like "don't invent something new when something that exists can work" are not exhibited by the RDF/A design.
  513. [23:46:34] <kingryan> DanC, office hours: webcal://ical.mac.com/ryansking/office%20hours.ics
  514. [23:46:36] <tantek> what do people think about snarky comments on the blog? should I let them through?
  515. [23:46:40] <KevinMarks> the only mf I see there is rel="license" and they break that by namespacing
  516. [23:47:02] <tantek> on the microformats blog that is
  517. [23:47:06] <tantek> opinions?
  518. [23:47:10] * DanC gets T-15min reminder for family time.
  519. [23:47:38] * pnhChris is now known as pnhAway
  520. [23:47:44] <DanC> ooh... cool, kingryan . (but I don't endorse webcal: . let's call it http://ical.mac.com/ryansking/office%20hours.ics )
  521. [23:47:52] <kingryan> I don't think its categorically bad for the blog, but just make sure it doesn't get out of control
  522. [23:48:02] <KevinMarks> well, there's snarky, there's trolling, and there's abuse
  523. [23:48:03] <kingryan> ok DanC
  524. [23:48:11] * kingryan only copy/pasted the 'webcal://'
  525. [23:48:41] <DanC> the line between "comments I won't publish because I disagree with them" and "comments I won't publish because they're snarky" is hard to draw.
  526. [23:48:48] <KevinMarks> I'd say let them through on the whole, unless they are particularly meanspirited
  527. [23:49:05] <tantek> I'm ok with comments I disagree with. But I'm not sure about comments that are snarky.
  528. [23:49:05] <DanC> I'd say: let them thru as long as they provide some novel and relevant info.
  529. [23:49:09] <tantek> Ok, Kevin will do.
  530. [23:49:27] <tantek> DanC, agreed with that as sufficient, but they don't do that
  531. [23:49:29] <tantek> here, check it out
  532. [23:49:37] <DanC> if you're going to choose between polite and snarky, please document that policy.
  533. [23:49:47] * tantek just allowed the 2 comments in queue.
  534. [23:50:27] * DanC sees the Gates headline. blinks.
  535. [23:50:46] <DanC> Gates endorsed XML at seybold one year. It's been downhill since.
  536. [23:51:43] <DanC> Schneider's comment is relevant. sindikac's is not.
  537. [23:52:20] <mfbot> [[rest/opacity]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest/opacity&diff=0&oldid=5449 * DrErnie * (+1595) Further Clarification by Roy
  538. [23:52:45] <kingryan> I agree with dan
  539. [23:52:47] <tantek> DanC, Schneider's comment has no basis in reality AFAIK
  540. [23:53:28] <kingryan> I'd let it slide
  541. [23:53:31] <DanC> what does reality have to do with it? it's his opinion, and it's relevant, especially given the choice of headline
  542. [23:54:34] <DanC> the headline says "Gates endorses microformat"; Scheider said "but Gates endorsed some losers too; let's look at the details". That's on topic.
  543. [23:56:24] <tantek> no DanC, Schneider said "Bill Gates thought HailStorm was a Microformat." which is a false statement AFAIK.
  544. [23:56:44] <DanC> it may be false, but it's relevant.
  545. [23:56:55] <tantek> nah, false statements are usually irrelevant
  546. [23:57:06] <kingryan> tantek, its not this big of a deal
  547. [23:57:08] <tantek> you can generate an infinite number of false statements
  548. [23:57:21] <tantek> anyway, i followed up on the comments
  549. [23:57:27] <DanC> yes, and the subject of some of those false statements is microformats; those are relevant.
  550. [23:57:38] <kingryan> there's more important things to worry about, like, um.... bill gates endorsing microformats
  551. [23:57:55] <tantek> exactly
  552. [23:58:05] <kingryan> plus, snap decisions are better, anyway
  553. [23:58:09] <DanC> good; you replied to Scheider. (now you can't unpublish it ;-)
  554. [23:58:15] <kingryan> or, so saith the prophet gladwell
  555. [23:58:21] <tantek> DanC, typing in this channel = publishing.
  556. [23:58:33] <tantek> since we have mflogbot :)
  557. [23:58:36] <mfbot> [[rest/opacity]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest/opacity&diff=0&oldid=5450 * DrErnie * (+1) Caveat to the Caveat -
  558. [23:58:38] <kingryan> logs: webcal://ical.mac.com/ryansking/office%20hours.ics
  559. [23:58:44] <kingryan> I meant: http://rbach.priv.at/Microformats-IRC/
  560. [23:58:47] <mfbot> [[rest/opacity]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest/opacity&diff=0&oldid=5451 * DrErnie * (-1) Caveat to the Caveat -
  561. [23:59:00] <KevinMarks> you mean it's not an hCalendar?
  562. [23:59:19] <kingryan> nope :D

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