IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-03-20
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TimC is Tim Callahan
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mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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kingryan is ryan king
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and runs www.csslounge.co.uk
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[[recipe-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=recipe-examples&diff=0&oldid=5441 * RichardRutter * (+671)
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pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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dglazkov is Dimitri Glazkov (http://glazkov.com) and lives in Birmingham, AL, USA (-6:00 GMT)
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bkdelong is B.K. DeLong, Head Research Analyst for HALO Worldwide - http://www.haloworldwide.com. Web: http://www.brain-stream.com. Email: bkdelong@pobox.com and lives in Salem, MA, USA (-5:00 GMT)
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blake is allegedly human. Blake, also known as Cortland M. Setlow, studies at swarthmore.edu and enjoys building things, exploring buildings, and physics. He currently sleeps during the day.
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[[hresume]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume&diff=0&oldid=5442 * ZenPsycho * (+0) Field details -
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[[hresume]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume&diff=0&oldid=5443 * ZenPsycho * (-2) Examples -
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RobertBachmann is Robert Bachmann <http://rbach.priv.at/> and lives in Austria (Timezone: 01:00)
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mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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[[hresume]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume&diff=0&oldid=5444 * RyanKing * (+2) Reverted edit of ZenPsycho, changed back to last version by James Levine
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[[hresume]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume&diff=0&oldid=5445 * RyanKing * (+0) Field details - fixed copy/paste bug
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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- [18:15:22] <tantek>
greetings from Mix06
- [18:15:29] <tantek>
Tim O'Reilly and Bill Gates are on stage
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ooh. Are they fighting?
- [18:15:53] <tantek>
Tim just noted that the Semantic Web is really happening through the use of microformats on the Web.
- [18:16:29] <dglazkov>
damn
- [18:16:37] <dglazkov>
that's important
- [18:18:07] <tantek>
and Bill said: "We need microformats and to get people to agree on them. It is going to bootstrap exchanging data on the Web...."
- [18:18:33] * dglazkov is watching webcast! I just found it!
- [18:18:45] <tantek>
dglazkov, can you get the exact quote?
- [18:19:10] <dglazkov>
it's live now, but once they put it in archive, sure
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dang it. Keep getting dropped
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[[events]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=5446 * Tantek * (+126) Tim O'Reilly and Bill Gates discussing microformats at mix06!
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mark asking questions?
- [18:26:41] <tantek>
yes, Marc Canter just asked a question about open APIs
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[[events/2006-03-20-mix06-microformats]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/events/2006-03-20-mix06-microformats * Tantek * (+609) rough notes / mentions of microformats
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#mix06
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kingryan is ryan king
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and runs www.csslounge.co.uk
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blake is allegedly human. Blake, also known as Cortland M. Setlow, studies at swarthmore.edu and enjoys building things, exploring buildings, and physics. He currently sleeps during the day.
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http://microformats.org/blog/2006/03/20/bill-gates-at-mix06-we-need-microformats/
- [19:33:06] <kingryan>
omg, tantek
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kingryan, I think I topped your Ray Ozzie post ;)
- [19:37:49] * tantek wonders what is Bill Gates' t-shirt size
- [19:38:14] * kingryan wonders if bill wears t-shirts
- [19:40:22] <kingryan>
but, yeah, you topped my post
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WildFox is Mr. KDOM. Co-author of kdom, ksvg and kcanvas.
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kingryan, if you have a sec, could you fix validity of SXSW post on microformats.org?
- [19:51:52] <kingryan>
sure
- [19:52:02] <tantek>
k thx. break time here at mix06
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[[events]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=5447 * Brian * (+6) changed link for XTECH microformats tutorial
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hi all
- [19:58:44] <kingryan>
hi
- [19:58:51] <chikkman>
i have a quick question about hreview implementations
- [19:59:10] <kingryan>
sure
- [19:59:26] <chikkman>
are there any apps out there that convert existing reviews to hreview format?
- [20:00:15] <chikkman>
i am familiar with the hreview creator for new reviews, but didn't see much on migrating existing reviews...
- [20:01:43] <kingryan>
not that I know of
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its mostly gotta be done by hand at this point
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if you'd like a hand, I can help you with converting some
- [20:02:12] <chikkman>
that's what i figured..
- [20:03:26] <chikkman>
no, that's okay....i'll see if i can put together some kind of automated solution for this - for at least my reviews....
- [20:03:36] <chikkman>
thx
- [20:03:51] <kingryan>
yeah, some regex'es could probaby get most of it done for you
- [20:05:15] <dglazkov>
do you think Bill Gates understands what microformats are or was he just panning back on Tim?
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dglazkov, I think he probably understands them on some level
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I'm sure he doesn't understand them the way you do, but at least he understands the need for them
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and he has employees who understand them well enough to build tools
- [20:11:47] <dglazkov>
you know, this is probably a big thing
- [20:12:01] <factoryjoe>
hmm, this sounds interesting
- [20:12:25] <dglazkov>
hey factoryjoe. Newsflash: BillG gets behind microformats
- [20:12:25] <factoryjoe>
what'd i miss?
- [20:12:29] <factoryjoe>
oh?!
- [20:12:30] <factoryjoe>
where?!
- [20:12:39] <dglazkov>
invests $1,000,000,000 in effort
- [20:12:50] <dglazkov>
ok, kidding on that part
- [20:13:04] <dglazkov>
on the frontpage of microformats.org
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- [20:13:32] <factoryjoe>
kk
- [20:13:33] * dglazkov is never good at appreciating "the big moment"
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- [20:14:30] <dglazkov>
next question: do you think MSFT will try to hijack/clone microformats effort?
- [20:14:57] <factoryjoe>
who cares?
- [20:14:59] <factoryjoe>
it's open source
- [20:19:23] <dglazkov>
still -- better get that "community mark" shit together
- [20:24:52] <kingryan>
we have prior art already -> http://flickr.com/photos/ryansking/113794534/
- [20:25:13] <factoryjoe>
and shirts
- [20:25:15] <factoryjoe>
dude
- [20:25:18] <factoryjoe>
get tantek to give him a shirt
- [20:25:22] <factoryjoe>
billg that is
- [20:25:56] <dglazkov>
I can recommend a list of people to start evangelism with
- [20:26:12] <kingryan>
factoryjoe, he's working on it
- [20:26:22] * dglazkov is a recovering Koolaid drinker
- [20:26:27] <kingryan>
wow, we've definitely got the ladies covered -> http://flickr.com/photos/jrnoded/110363659/
- [20:26:40] <kingryan>
dglazkov, hKoolaid?
- [20:26:54] <dglazkov>
MS-Koolaid
- [20:27:02] <kingryan>
oh, ouch
- [20:27:08] <dglazkov>
not to get started with WS-Koolaid
- [20:27:15] <dglazkov>
yeah baby, I've drank them all
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:)
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WS-* almost killed me
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http://dglazkov.newsvine.com/_news/2006/03/20/140249-bill-gates-mentions-microformats-at-mix06
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[[events/2006-03-14-sxsw-modulet]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-03-14-sxsw-modulet&diff=0&oldid=5448 * Alla Gringaus * (+25) Session Details -
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BenjaminCarlyle is http://soundadvice.id.au/blog/, GMT 1000
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RobertBachmann is Robert Bachmann <http://rbach.priv.at/> and lives in Austria (Timezone: 01:00)
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- [22:03:52] <BenjaminCarlyle>
Morning, Robert :)
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Jonnay is a programmer, graphic designer and musician. He blogs at http://blog.jonnay.net and his music is at http://www.jonnay.net
- [22:05:11] <RobertBachmann>
hi Benjamin
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- [22:06:47] <BenjaminCarlyle>
This morning you have to call me "Dad" :)
- [22:06:47] <BenjaminCarlyle>
http://soundadvice.id.au/blog/2006/03/20#GenevieveAlice
- [22:07:18] <BenjaminCarlyle>
I'm just home for a sleep and a couple of meals before heading back in to see my wife and daughter.
- [22:07:44] <pnhChris>
congrats!
- [22:08:01] <RobertBachmann>
yeah, congrats
- [22:08:03] <pnhChris>
seems like new people are sprouting up everywhere
- [22:08:07] <pnhChris>
;)
- [22:08:11] <BenjaminCarlyle>
Thanks :)
- [22:08:29] <kingryan>
congrats BenjaminCarlyle
- [22:08:34] <kingryan>
its a micro-person!
- [22:08:51] <BenjaminCarlyle>
pnhChis: It's the month for it. Our hospital had 200 bookings this month for only six birth suites.
- [22:08:58] <BenjaminCarlyle>
kingryan: :)
- [22:16:01] <BenjaminCarlyle>
I'd better head back, see you all :)
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nice name genevieve
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- [22:57:08] <kingryan>
btw, in lieu of having a irc meetup, I'm just going to start having 'office hours' here in irc, for anyone who needs to get in touch
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do we need appointments in advance?
- [22:59:16] <kingryan>
:D, no
- [22:59:19] <pnhChris>
oh.. more seriously.. i asked this last night but it was quiet... wrt. hatom - valid atom
- [22:59:25] <kingryan>
yeah?
- [23:00:12] <pnhChris>
i haven't gone and read the atom specs, but like the guy posting on the mailing list the other day I'm not seeing a way to get valid atom with current tools and specs
- [23:00:26] <pnhChris>
curious if its an hatom thing.. or atom.. or tools
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- [23:01:01] <pnhChris>
particularly with feed related fields for updated and id.. or maybe it was title
- [23:01:29] <pnhChris>
i just don't know the specs well enough
- [23:02:13] <pnhChris>
this was the example... (not mine) http://fuzzycontent.com/index.php/2006/03/14/context-wants-to-be-free-too/
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going though the hatom-atom proxy then tofeedvalidator.org...
- [23:03:20] <pnhChris>
http://feedvalidator.org/check.cgi?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lukearno.com%2Fprojects%2Fhatom2atom%2F%3Furl%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Ffuzzycontent.com%252Findex.php%252F2006%252F03%252F14%252Fcontext-wants-to-be-free-too%252F
- [23:03:52] <pnhChris>
things like entry id are in hatom but not coded in that original page.. i got that
- [23:04:38] <pnhChris>
but the feed id and updated i'm not sure where those "errors" can be resolved
- [23:04:54] <KevinMarks>
can't id be generated from link?
- [23:04:55] <pnhChris>
.. or who is wrong or out of sync
- [23:05:28] <kingryan>
it looks like a bug in the proxy
- [23:05:57] <kingryan>
updated's there in the html, so it should get converted
- [23:06:08] <KevinMarks>
the results look weird too
- [23:06:39] <kingryan>
and <id> should get generated, since, I believe it's required
- [23:06:44] <pnhChris>
like i said.. i don't konw the breakdown of what is the validator's fault, the xsl files, or hatom
- [23:07:00] <pnhChris>
the entry id errors are author errors
- [23:07:10] <pnhChris>
the feed id.. .dunno
- [23:07:41] * pnhChris opns up the hatom spec again
- [23:08:00] * RobertBachmann will do some testing tomorrow
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- [23:08:27] <kingryan>
I think id should be generated from the link, but we don't seem to have permalinks here
- [23:09:09] <pnhChris>
here's another example i'm playing with - why i stumbled on the issue
- [23:09:10] <pnhChris>
http://chunkysoup.net/extras/behindcs/index_new.html
- [23:10:07] <pnhChris>
the ids get generated there.. but not fully qualified URLs... feed updated and title are still empty .. and the validator yells about my dates there as well
- [23:10:16] <KevinMarks>
yes, the hAtom there is iffy
- [23:10:17] <KevinMarks>
<div class="hfeed">
- [23:10:17] <KevinMarks>
<ul>
- [23:10:17] <KevinMarks>
<li class="hentry"><span class="entry-title">Bob Robertson-Boyd</span>, <span class="entry-content">reader</span>, joined on <abbr class="updated" title="2006-01-10T21:48:00Z">January 12, 2006</abbr></li>
- [23:10:17] <KevinMarks>
<li class="hentry"><span class="entry-title">Dimitri Glazkov</span>, <span class="entry-content">technologist</span>, joined on <abbr class="updated" title="2006-01-10T21:48:00Z">January 12, 2006</abbr></li>
- [23:10:19] <KevinMarks>
<li class="hentry"><span class="entry-title">Eric Hodgson</span>, <span class="entry-content">marketer</span>, joined on <abbr class="updated" title="2006-03-07T00:00:00Z">March 7, 2006</abbr></li>
- [23:10:22] <KevinMarks>
</ul>
- [23:10:24] <KevinMarks>
<div class="author vcard">Maintained by <a class="fn url" href="http://glazkov.com/">Dimitri Glazkov</a></div>
- [23:10:27] <KevinMarks>
</div>
- [23:12:02] <pnhChris>
right.. at a minimum it doesn't have entry id's .. .my document i'm working on at chunkysoup.net has ids on the entries.. but the xsl doc only uses the local reference to the elements
- [23:12:07] <pnhChris>
instead of fll urls
- [23:12:29] <kingryan>
that's a bug in the xsl, then
- [23:12:40] <kingryan>
would you mind documenting that?
- [23:12:45] <pnhChris>
and the dates.. i'm probably just being dumb and not seeing anything
- [23:12:46] <pnhChris>
sure
- [23:12:50] <kingryan>
the xsl's in public svn, so a patch would be useful, too
- [23:13:23] <pnhChris>
i'll be happy to docuemnt or update anything i know is wrong..
- [23:13:32] <pnhChris>
what about the feed updated value
- [23:13:50] <pnhChris>
is that a consumer issue too?
- [23:13:54] <pnhChris>
(xsl)
- [23:14:52] <pnhChris>
or its it a required element that hatom needs to deal with.. didn't notice it in the issues list.. but haven't read any parsing documents that closely
- [23:14:58] <kingryan>
yeah, but I'm not sure we've documented how that should work
- [23:15:21] <kingryan>
we don't have any feed level elements in hatom, so no, its not a publisher issue
- [23:15:35] <kingryan>
the xsl needs to generate it, based on their the html or http
- [23:16:19] <pnhChris>
and lastly that date format issue
- [23:16:29] <kingryan>
the xsl also needs to find the author
- [23:17:16] <kingryan>
what about the date format?
- [23:17:55] <pnhChris>
the validator is yelling.. and i'm too blind/close to see why
- [23:18:05] <pnhChris>
line 10, column 36: published must be an RFC-3339 date-time [help]
- [23:18:05] <pnhChris>
<published>2005-04-26T00:00-0500</published>
- [23:18:22] <pnhChris>
oh
- [23:18:25] <pnhChris>
i see now
- [23:18:29] <pnhChris>
its -05:00
- [23:18:38] <pnhChris>
like i said.. i was too close
- [23:19:56] <pnhChris>
amazing what a copy+paste into a different context will immediately let you see
- [23:21:52] <pnhChris>
ok ... after dinner i'll reply to the other message on the list about the author + xsl issues... and the check the wiki or the xsl to see what needs documenting or fixing
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- [23:22:46] <jibot>
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- [23:23:04] * ChanServ sets mode +o tantek
- [23:23:12] <tantek>
greetings folks
- [23:23:15] <tantek>
thanks kingryan!
- [23:23:33] <kingryan>
np
- [23:24:16] <tantek>
BTW, for anyone listening/watching the mix06 sessions, feel free to add your quotes/notes regarding microformats here: http://microformats.org/wiki/events/2006-03-20-mix06-microformats
- [23:24:19] <pnhChris>
hola tantek
- [23:25:32] <tantek>
yo Chris
- [23:25:40] <factoryjoe>
yo
- [23:25:43] <factoryjoe>
hey tantek
- [23:25:48] <factoryjoe>
i'm setting up the mF store right now
- [23:25:54] <factoryjoe>
oh
- [23:25:54] <tantek>
i thought it was already setup
- [23:25:58] <factoryjoe>
and i have a sweet mashup for you
- [23:26:03] <factoryjoe>
yeah, it's on *my* store
- [23:26:04] <kingryan>
no, it was in chris's store
- [23:26:06] <factoryjoe>
not YOUR store
- [23:26:29] <pnhChris>
ok.. i updated my test document with the proper timezone offset and the validator is still yellign at me
- [23:26:53] <pnhChris>
anyone see what's wrong with : 2006-03-19T18:00-05:00
- [23:27:08] <pnhChris>
secs
- [23:27:17] <tantek>
in what context?
- [23:27:20] <KevinMarks>
is it sulky about dashes?
- [23:27:21] * pnhChris should just copy and past thigns privately
- [23:27:31] <pnhChris>
no secs in my examples
- [23:27:32] <tantek>
which validator?
- [23:27:38] <pnhChris>
feedvalidator
- [23:27:48] <pnhChris>
via hatom2atom proxy
- [23:27:53] * bretonsli (n=bretonsl@c-67-190-186-46.hsd1.co.comcast.net) has joined #microformats
- [23:28:04] <tantek>
yeah, RFC3339 requires full seconds precision which is stupid but oh well. can you say artificial precision?
- [23:28:10] <tantek>
ah
- [23:28:10] <pnhChris>
(see the chat logs from right before you rejoined)
- [23:28:17] <tantek>
the proxy should be inserting the necessary seconds
- [23:28:20] <tantek>
that's a bug on the proxy
- [23:28:39] <tantek>
the point of microformats is to be easier for the publisher
- [23:29:25] <pnhChris>
that might happen .. once the documentation and tools are a bit further along :P
- [23:29:49] <pnhChris>
(i kid... i kid)
- [23:30:38] <pnhChris>
but yeah.. i'll break down these two documents in a message tonight
- [23:36:37] <factoryjoe>
check it out: http://www.flickr.com/photos/factoryjoe/115533115/
- [23:37:22] <tantek>
factoryjoe: LOL!!!
- [23:37:28] <factoryjoe>
:D
- [23:37:32] <factoryjoe>
damn
- [23:37:38] <factoryjoe>
i should put him in a MF shirt!!
- [23:37:43] <factoryjoe>
someone want to pose?
- [23:40:46] <bretonsli>
microformats natively supported in IE? maybe?
- [23:41:15] <factoryjoe>
bretonsli: we're working on it in flock
- [23:41:24] * cubicgarden (n=ian@cubicgarden.demon.co.uk) Quit ()
- [23:41:47] <bretonsli>
I know. flock doesn't quite have 80% of the market yet though.
- [23:42:07] <bretonsli>
perhaps someday
- [23:42:12] <tantek>
factoryjoe, any chance that Flock will ship microformats support before April 1?
- [23:42:21] <kingryan>
factoryjoe, there's not enough logos in that photo
- [23:42:21] <TimC>
hey fellas, I was taking a look at RDF/A and it seems similar to microformats, the examples they were giving in the new primer. http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/HTML/2006-01-24-rdfa-primer
- [23:43:04] <kingryan>
factoryjoe, http://presentationzen.blogs.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/complexity_bill.jpg
- [23:43:34] <tantek>
TimC, rdfa has been improved, but still has tons of philosophical problems
- [23:44:12] <tantek>
now that DanC has demonstrated you can read microformats directly into an RDF store, I'm not sure why you'd use an uglier format that you can't validly publish in today's HTML and XHTML.
- [23:44:51] <KevinMarks>
what is that CURIE stuff though?
- [23:44:56] <TimC>
yeah tantek, I mean it seems rdf/a is built on some of the same principals as microformats.
- [23:45:09] <TimC>
well I'm out, thanks for the insight.
- [23:45:28] <DanC>
er... rdf/a is similar to microformats in some technical respects, but I don't see any shared principals
- [23:45:37] <tantek>
TimC, yes, rdf/a has definitely benefitted by following a bunch of the same underlying structures as microformats
- [23:45:41] <tantek>
but DanC is right
- [23:45:47] <tantek>
the principles are very different
- [23:45:51] <KevinMarks>
or even prinicples
- [23:45:58] <tantek>
(as well as the principals ;) )
- [23:46:33] <DanC>
microformats principles like "don't invent something new when something that exists can work" are not exhibited by the RDF/A design.
- [23:46:34] <kingryan>
DanC, office hours: webcal://ical.mac.com/ryansking/office%20hours.ics
- [23:46:36] <tantek>
what do people think about snarky comments on the blog? should I let them through?
- [23:46:40] <KevinMarks>
the only mf I see there is rel="license" and they break that by namespacing
- [23:47:02] <tantek>
on the microformats blog that is
- [23:47:06] <tantek>
opinions?
- [23:47:10] * DanC gets T-15min reminder for family time.
- [23:47:38] * pnhChris is now known as pnhAway
- [23:47:44] <DanC>
ooh... cool, kingryan . (but I don't endorse webcal: . let's call it http://ical.mac.com/ryansking/office%20hours.ics )
- [23:47:52] <kingryan>
I don't think its categorically bad for the blog, but just make sure it doesn't get out of control
- [23:48:02] <KevinMarks>
well, there's snarky, there's trolling, and there's abuse
- [23:48:03] <kingryan>
ok DanC
- [23:48:11] * kingryan only copy/pasted the 'webcal://'
- [23:48:41] <DanC>
the line between "comments I won't publish because I disagree with them" and "comments I won't publish because they're snarky" is hard to draw.
- [23:48:48] <KevinMarks>
I'd say let them through on the whole, unless they are particularly meanspirited
- [23:49:05] <tantek>
I'm ok with comments I disagree with. But I'm not sure about comments that are snarky.
- [23:49:05] <DanC>
I'd say: let them thru as long as they provide some novel and relevant info.
- [23:49:09] <tantek>
Ok, Kevin will do.
- [23:49:27] <tantek>
DanC, agreed with that as sufficient, but they don't do that
- [23:49:29] <tantek>
here, check it out
- [23:49:37] <DanC>
if you're going to choose between polite and snarky, please document that policy.
- [23:49:47] * tantek just allowed the 2 comments in queue.
- [23:50:27] * DanC sees the Gates headline. blinks.
- [23:50:46] <DanC>
Gates endorsed XML at seybold one year. It's been downhill since.
- [23:51:43] <DanC>
Schneider's comment is relevant. sindikac's is not.
- [23:52:20] <mfbot>
[[rest/opacity]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest/opacity&diff=0&oldid=5449 * DrErnie * (+1595) Further Clarification by Roy
- [23:52:45] <kingryan>
I agree with dan
- [23:52:47] <tantek>
DanC, Schneider's comment has no basis in reality AFAIK
- [23:53:28] <kingryan>
I'd let it slide
- [23:53:31] <DanC>
what does reality have to do with it? it's his opinion, and it's relevant, especially given the choice of headline
- [23:54:34] <DanC>
the headline says "Gates endorses microformat"; Scheider said "but Gates endorsed some losers too; let's look at the details". That's on topic.
- [23:56:24] <tantek>
no DanC, Schneider said "Bill Gates thought HailStorm was a Microformat." which is a false statement AFAIK.
- [23:56:44] <DanC>
it may be false, but it's relevant.
- [23:56:55] <tantek>
nah, false statements are usually irrelevant
- [23:57:06] <kingryan>
tantek, its not this big of a deal
- [23:57:08] <tantek>
you can generate an infinite number of false statements
- [23:57:21] <tantek>
anyway, i followed up on the comments
- [23:57:27] <DanC>
yes, and the subject of some of those false statements is microformats; those are relevant.
- [23:57:38] <kingryan>
there's more important things to worry about, like, um.... bill gates endorsing microformats
- [23:57:55] <tantek>
exactly
- [23:58:05] <kingryan>
plus, snap decisions are better, anyway
- [23:58:09] <DanC>
good; you replied to Scheider. (now you can't unpublish it ;-)
- [23:58:15] <kingryan>
or, so saith the prophet gladwell
- [23:58:21] <tantek>
DanC, typing in this channel = publishing.
- [23:58:33] <tantek>
since we have mflogbot :)
- [23:58:36] <mfbot>
[[rest/opacity]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest/opacity&diff=0&oldid=5450 * DrErnie * (+1) Caveat to the Caveat -
- [23:58:38] <kingryan>
logs: webcal://ical.mac.com/ryansking/office%20hours.ics
- [23:58:44] <kingryan>
I meant: http://rbach.priv.at/Microformats-IRC/
- [23:58:47] <mfbot>
[[rest/opacity]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest/opacity&diff=0&oldid=5451 * DrErnie * (-1) Caveat to the Caveat -
- [23:59:00] <KevinMarks>
you mean it's not an hCalendar?
- [23:59:19] <kingryan>
nope :D
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